And it will work. The reality of this is none of it matters to the base and the right will fall in lock step.

I recorded it so I’m behind but if EVERY dem doesn’t hammer home the fact that he claims quid pro quo then they are doing it wrong. They need Sondeland to say over and over it happened.

I am concerned the R's will spin this impeachment with them now subpoenaing Hunter Biden and maybe after that Joe Biden as a way to swear the likely (maybe) Dem nomination. It is smelling like Hillary all over. We may have no choice to but nominate Warren or Sanders even if they can't beat Trump with the Medicare for all stuff. Ugh.

Makes sense given all they want to talk about is Biden & his son.

Yes since they are the ones being impeached. It makes perfect sense.:banghead:

That didn't take long:

Annnd Pompeo is now resigning

Holy shit.

Great. Now he can testify.

This very well could be the straw

Wow.

"hurting his reputation" FTMFW

You can't make this stuff up.

President Trump, speaking to reporters today before leaving for Texas, read off a statement that appeared to be written in black Sharpie https://t.co/vNoFf8hJLj pic.twitter.com/jr9IOj1ubq

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) November 20, 2019

Now they (who 'they are, I don't know) are saying pompeo is resigning to run for the senate. Sounds like an 'easy out' that he's taking.

Just started Nunes cross examination and he starts with full on Ukranian conspiracy theory and DNC server. Christ how does anyone not see through this

That can't be real. No way.

This was rumored right about the time he lost the backing of State, couple months ago?

I've seen multiple angles of it with differing resolutions.

Looks like after Sondland's testimony, it kind of accelerated his plans.

Because if you put on reading glasses you would look dumb. #BigglyBrain

That needs to be in the National Archive, like ASAP. That needs to be on display right next to the Gettysburg Address.

Just watched the clip - Trump is now doing an impression of Alec Baldwin doing Trump?

Or this guy:

Best line of the day by Rep Speier. "The President of the United States has 5 Pinocchio's on a daily basis, so let's not go there". In response to a comment from the GOP representative trying to use a 3 Pinocchio article as evidence.

He's been travelling back and forth to Kansas (on our money of course) for a couple months now reportedly to try to set this up. Hope Kansas says no, and I hope whatever D is running against him uses the fact that he wouldn't cooperate with the Congress he wants to run for and wouldn't support the people working under him in the State Dept against him.

I'm not seeing this anywhere else and Abramson is a complete quack.

I'm sure Pompeo is going to resign at some point, but this article doesn't acknowledge anything imminent.

Hopefully the people of Kansas do say no and definitely remind them over and over again him not wanting to cooperate. Shoot, they are probably still reeling from Brownback.



I really don't know much about Abramson, though I have heard of him. I just looked up his wikipedia and sounds like he may embellish things a bit, so my opinion would be to definitely take his stuff with a grain of salt.

I found this:

Mike Pompeo Is Searching for a Safe Exit From State Ahead of Senate Run, GOP Sources Say

Nunes just said anyone who believes Trump is guilty is stupid. Solid strategy

So if Trump resigns in the next few months, maybe for "medical reasons", and Pence becomes president - is he automatically the Republican nominee, can the Republicans old-school figure it out at the convention, or do the primaries have any meaning (the deadlines for those which must be coming up soon, at least the non-cancelled ones).

My guess is either a convention rule change to allow Pence to be nominated by acclamation, or something like 'some states hold their plebescites, but Trump doesn't get enough delegates and it becomes a wide-open nomination process.'

Because they don't want to. The Republican base is not turning on the President for this. They have no problem with the President using whatever means possible to make Democrats look bad. They do not care, and will never care. They believe Dems do much worse every day, and the MSM supports it. In the end, it really doesn't matter the defense. No GOP senator is voting for removal, because they do not want to be primary-ed, which they definitely will.

Donald's on Twitter tilt this morning

If Trump wants to test his theory in shooting somebody on 5th Avenue. I hope he chooses Nunes.

Motion seconded!

Or Moscow Mitch!

This is truly the face of an American Hero. Decades of service to our country and standing up to power in the face of intense pressure.

Israel's Netanyahu having a bad day-coalition govt attempt in Israel fails for a second time. And he's been indicted on Fraud, breach of trust, and bribery charges. I hope this makes him ineligible/less likely to be voted for in a third election if it happens so Israel can move past him

I thought the GOP were supposed to be the ones that master the message?

GOP adds new sign during the break pic.twitter.com/uI5U9mJTsf

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) November 21, 2019

Not a good day for Trump. Hill and Holmes testimonies destroyed every defense the GOP has used except the "trump was just being trump" and "it's not quid pro quo because it failed" defenses.

From what I hear they are still running with the “No one hears Trump say he
did it so he must be innocent”

And the umpteen thousand men behind bars who were convicted on circumstantial evidence and the thousands who were convicted of conspiracy are sighing deeply.

Maybe Barr can write a memo for him?

And once again ladies and gentlemen, the party of fiscal responsibility:

Trump golf cart rentals have now cost US taxpayers more than half a million dollars

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's something from each administration we could nit pick, but, most of this is from HIS properties. So yes, sure, F the Emoluments Clause in addition to being hypocritical about fiscal responsibility.

Senate announces investigation into the Biden’s as predicted:
Lindsey Graham Begins Senate Investigation Into The Bidens

Man, the GOP sure does have a passion for those windmills.

Everyone can just refuse to cooperate right? That's how investigations work.

That's how they work if they are sincere. If they are a sham, it's easy to find "witnesses" that will provide the testimony you're looking for. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Lindsay does more political damage.

More on this, the White House plans on calling Hunter Biden, Joe Biden and the Whistleblower as a part of their defense in a Senate trial.

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They should refuse to show up and dare the GOP to complain about people ignoring subpoenas.

... or say I don't recall or I'm not a note taker.

Yesterday's testimonies showed to me that Sondland likely knew that investigating Burisma was same as investigating the Bidens. I sure hope he didn't get immunity, I would like to see him facing perjury.

Haha! That would be hilarious to me if they did that. Or if they instead talk about how pretty much most of trump's spawn works for him or ask how giuliani's son is the 'Sports Liaison' for the white house.

Trump doubled down on the FBI never actually getting the DNC's physical server along with the conspiracy theory that's its sitting somewhere in Ukraine yesterday during a Fox and Friends interview.

With the Boomer vs Millennial talk on the board today this is a good example of why Boomers need voted out office. The question of whether or not the physical server has any importance is a litmus test for basic IT knowledge and if you fail that question you shouldn't be holding any office that requires the use of or understanding of IT principles.

Com'on Bolton, join the fun, give Trump the finger, and testify.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...019/index.html

meanwhile...

The entire WH cyber security staff quit last week. There are so many FEC vacancies that there is no decision making quorum. Today the DHS cyber official for election security quit. #Elections2020https://t.co/oWqGSrWww3

— Charlotte ODoyle �� (@OdoyleCharlotte) November 22, 2019

Jen Barber should be hired to take over that department.

As polls are showing that support for impeachment is actually dropping since the open hearings (especially among independents) it really highlights how much MSM's influence has totally eroded outside the "coasts." It also highlights how hard it is going to be for any Democrat to beat Trump in 2020. The Right has condition people to trust no news source, but believe every conspiracy theory. I just don't see how we correct this.

Devin Nunez likely to be investigated for ethics violation as he apparently met with ousted corrupt prosecutor to get dirt on Bidens. WTF.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/devin...hpf&yptr=yahoo

This episode of House of Cards is too absurd, imma just quit watching.

I don't see how the Dems can decide not to continue the inquiry. The GOP isn't going to vote to convict, so just keep investigating and see what comes out. A whole lot came out in a month, so see what happens over the next year.

But I expect they'll wrap everything up by Christmas and pass it on to the Senate so they can focus on solving people's problems or some such nonsense slogan.

dola

Just this weekend:

Sarah Sanders said the President reads more than anyone she knows.

Sen. Kennedy said that it may be the Russians or the Ukrainians that interfered with the 2016 election.

and

Rick Perry said Trump was the chosen one.

I'm less sure we get out of this with each passing day. When the GOP is willing to make Trump a God-Emperor, I'm not sure how we regain normality.

Yeah, the recent results from actual elections have been heartening, but it is maddening that slime keeps pouring out of this administration at an unprecedented rate and yet the needles indicating public & political support never appear to move in the slightest.

The GOP is in fight or flight mode. The party is dying and they do realize it which why Cornyn has tweeted and said the things he has. This fight is about the survival of the party for them so they're willing to do whatever it takes to retain power. The gerrymandering, the Trump worship, the immigration stance, the corruption all goes back to maintaining power and relevance as the country goes through a transition away from being dominated by older, white, religious men.

Whether or not we can get back to normality likely comes down to whether Trump wins in 2020 and just how quickly the makeup of this country changes and flips some traditional red areas blue.

A good statement from China but want deeds vs words.

My cynical self is thinking China offered this up so Trump has a face saving way of proceeding with & accepting Phase 1 of the trade war pullback. But am hopeful this is a fundamental change in Chinese policy and will result in real reform (but probably not).

China vows more protection for intellectual property - MarketWatch

I would trust Trump before I trusted China - and y'all know my views on the former.

It's the Kobayashi Maru test.

Federal subpoenas issued regarding Giuliani's consulting biz.

It's like giuliani is playing Indict Me Bingo with all those charges.

McGahn ordered to testify. Here's hoping this leads to Bolton coming forward, and Mulvaney ultimately getting jailed for contempt.

We fired the Navy leader over this Gallagher shit?

Yes, despite all of his military advisers telling him to stay out of it. President Snowflake can't look weak though.

No. We fired him because he spoke out against Trump and has honor.

Gallagher is the perfect poster boy for Trump. For all I know about military law it might be questionable whether stabbing a captured and restrained individual enemy soldier qualifies as a war-crime, but I'm absolutely certain it doesn't make you any kind of hero.

Tucker Carlson working hard tonight to convince Trump Assad didn't use chemical weapons and Russia should destroy Ukraine.

Trump puts Kushner in charge of overseeing border wall construction: report | TheHill

*snort* Nobody questioned this move while they were currently leaning HARD into "Joe Biden used his influence to get his son a job he wasn't qualified for"?

Whatever do you mean?

Gallagher was a great fighter. He was one of the ultimate fighters. Tough guy.

To be fair, if the Secretary of the Navy didn't follow the chain of command and he said one thing privately and did something else publicly, then he deserves to be fired.

Double dola,

It is bullshit though. If you're going to fire the Secretary of the Navy for lacking integrity, then you need to resign the office of Secretary of Defense because you work for someone you lacks any kind of integrity whatsoever.

And Esper's story doesn't make much sense. He fired the Secretary because he made a secret deal with Trump to rig the hearing so that Gallagher would keep his trident, so Esper fired him and gave Gallagher his trident.

Meanwhile, the Secretary's story is that Trump's order was impossible for him to follow, so he refused and was terminated.

I know which story I find more credible.

Dershowitz last night:


Thomas Jefferson: "The problem with King George is that he doesn't have enough power. Let's declare independence and fix that."

President* Big Brain strikes again!

Not the Onion:

Trump wonders why the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage wasn't celebrated 'a long time ago'

I....just...why?

Conan, the hero dog injured in the al-Baghdadi raid, is in fact female, a US defense official tells @ABC.

Yesterday, the White House said that Conan was a girl, but later said the dog was actually a boy. The change came after Trump and Pence used male pronouns to refer to Conan. pic.twitter.com/JPX9au0KYc

— Terry Moran (@TerryMoran) November 26, 2019

This dynamic duo make Dan Quayle look like a genius.

I'm so sick and tired of this extremely racist administration:

Census Bureau Emails Prove DOJ Repeatedly Lied About Origins of Citizenship Question

edit: never mind, Twitter beat me to it

Has anyone watched "The Family" on Netflix, or read the book?


I coincidentally started it yesterday. It's stuff like this that makes it really come into focus.



Trump supporters say God chose him to be president


It's really interesting when god chooses people for good things, without the recognition that he also chooses them for bad. All those good people who died yesterday, were also chosen by god, no?

We'll refer you to the free will thread.

non dola cause of QS


In other news. Looks like Guiliani is the next one under the trump bus.





Trump Denies Giuliani Acted on His Behalf in Ukraine: ‘Rudy Has Other Clients’

My evangelical friend used this argument with me. He also believes Obama was also chosen by God. A little too "convenient" for me thinking back on those 8 years of conversation. I'll be sure to use this argument with the next Democratic president.

I've felt for a while that Pharaoh got a raw deal vis a vis free will:
Exodus 9:12 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had told Moses.

Now why would you need to have two sets of books? Wikipedia has an explanation as to why you would and sounds like it's not uncommon for publicly traded companies. However, I don't think trump's property is a publicly traded company or under the umbrella of one. I could be wrong though. However, trump and his rabble's default setting is to be dishonest about almost everything...

New documents show Trump kept 2 sets of books for his biggest property in Manhattan, pointing to potential financial fraud

He could maintain one set of books to maximize his income and thus brag about how rich he is. Given his ego I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.

He could maintain another to show to the IRS to show how broke he is.

Or it could be fraud. Either way this reminds of that one scene from The Producers.

Wait, wouldn't that be fraud anyway?

I'm leaning towards fraud. If trump didn't have the reputation of lying and cheating and not paying, then I would be leaning more towards everything being on the up and up.

Never mind he told the freaking president of Ukraine to call Rudy. Nope, no way he could be doing anything on Trump's behalf.

"I told the Ukraine President to talk to Rudy because Rudy is fun to talk to. I thought Rudy could tell him about his baseball card collection."

There's already a fair amount of evidence that Trump was overvaluing his assets for loan applications and undervaluing them for taxes.

Happy that it seems HK protesters have new life and determination with the (supposed) Trump support.

No doubt in my mind that Trump will sell them down the river if he can get a better deal from China. I don't think most of the HK protesters know this though.

I always knew there was power amongst us.

Quicksand engulfs a bipartisan plan that even trump backs.

The party of family values strikes again!

Rep. Duncan Hunter to abandon 'not guilty' plea in campaign finance scandal

Note to Republicans-the "witch hunt" defense has not worked for any of you so far-try to find another one will you?

It is going to work for the President. It just won't work for anybody that actually can be held accountable.