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bbor 02-03-2010 01:07 PM

Fid.....you answered your own question there.He is 29 year old UFA,i think Burke does'nt plan on carrying anyone who will be too old to help him in 3 or 4 years when the team is competetive.

Fidatelo 02-03-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2217773)
Fid.....you answered your own question there.He is 29 year old UFA,i think Burke does'nt plan on carrying anyone who will be too old to help him in 3 or 4 years when the team is competetive.


Ah I see, I didn't realise he was a UFA, that makes all the difference. He'll be a rental then for a contender.

Honolulu_Blue 02-03-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2217773)
Fid.....you answered your own question there.He is 29 year old UFA,i think Burke does'nt plan on carrying anyone who will be too old to help him in 3 or 4 years when the team is competetive.


He'll only be 32-33 in 3 or 4 years! That's "too old" to help the Leafs? He'll still be a few years from his prime then!

MikeVic 02-03-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2217907)
He'll only be 32-33 in 3 or 4 years! That's "too old" to help the Leafs? He'll still be a few years from his prime then!


lol

johnnyshaka 02-03-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs (Post 2217736)
If you want a guy to take off his lid, you can't jump him and try for a bear hug right off the bat.


Point is if Phaneuf is going to play the role of "head hunter" then he shouldn't be wearing the shield to begin with.

Honolulu_Blue 02-03-2010 03:10 PM

Bob Mackenzie is reporting that the following teams are interested in Kovalchuk: Boston, New Jersey, Rangers, Philadelphia, Calgary, Chicago and L.A.

It will be really interesting to see where he goes, what Atlanta will get for him and if the team who gets him already has an extension worked out.

L.A. seems to make the most sense to me, but I guess it comes down to which team makes the Thrashers the best offer.

The Blackhawks would seem to make the littlest sense. I'm not sure why they'd make such a drastic move at this point in the season for a winger, even one as talented as Kovalchuk.

Can the Thrasher's franchise survive this?

Pyser 02-03-2010 03:24 PM

no way the devils get kovy. rangers cant afford him either, youd think. nor philly. to me that leaves calgary, boston and la. youd think if calgary were in the running phaneuf wouldve been involved, though.

Pyser 02-03-2010 03:27 PM

hitchcock out

Galaxy 02-03-2010 03:29 PM

Heard that Ray Whitney to the Kings is pretty much almost a done deal. However, Ray wants a 3-year extension in order to waive his no-trade clause. It sounds like they're working out the details (perhaps an extension that is heavily front-loaded?).

Pyser 02-03-2010 03:32 PM

isnt he 37? so the entire deal would be guaranteed? thats a tough pill to swallow for a kings team thats gonna have to start paying these kids soon...

Honolulu_Blue 02-03-2010 03:38 PM

The Islanders waived Brendan Witt. I've always been a fan of his, but I really don't think he's worth $3 million a year (signed throug next year).

samifan24 02-03-2010 04:07 PM

Any Avs fans here? What's the deal with this Brandon Yip kid and when will he stop scoring goals?

Suburban Rhythm 02-03-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2217932)
Bob Mackenzie is reporting that the following teams are interested in Kovalchuk: Boston, New Jersey, Rangers, Philadelphia, Calgary, Chicago and L.A.

It will be really interesting to see where he goes, what Atlanta will get for him and if the team who gets him already has an extension worked out.

L.A. seems to make the most sense to me, but I guess it comes down to which team makes the Thrashers the best offer.

The Blackhawks would seem to make the littlest sense. I'm not sure why they'd make such a drastic move at this point in the season for a winger, even one as talented as Kovalchuk.

Can the Thrasher's franchise survive this?


I don't agree with it, but can understand the Hawks thinking a little.

The must move (dump) some players in the offseason. If they are losing say at least 2 of Sharp, Versteeg, and Barker in July, you move them in March for 3 months of Kovalchuk if you think that moves puts you over the top.

Again, I don't agree with it, I think Sharp and Versteeg are the type of secondary players you need in the playoffs, Kovalchuk is not that type. He's redundant on a team with Kane and Hossa.

TurnerONU22 02-03-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser (Post 2217946)
hitchcock out


Finally.

Now, can someone find Craig MacTavish and lock him up until after the Jackets decide on a new coach. Thanks.

Travis 02-03-2010 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TurnerONU22 (Post 2218014)
Finally.

Now, can someone find Craig MacTavish and lock him up until after the Jackets decide on a new coach. Thanks.


No no no, the Oilers need MacT hired somewhere prior to the deadline so we can trade Horcoff to his new team.

Pretty pretty please.

johnnyshaka 02-03-2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TurnerONU22 (Post 2218014)
Finally.

Now, can someone find Craig MacTavish and lock him up until after the Jackets decide on a new coach. Thanks.


There are rumors swirling around the city that he's having health issues. Don't know what or how severe or even if the rumors are remotely true.

TurnerONU22 02-03-2010 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 2218020)
No no no, the Oilers need MacT hired somewhere prior to the deadline so we can trade Horcoff to his new team.

Pretty pretty please.


Sounds like something Howson would do.

I'm really hoping for Kevin Dineen, former CBJ player coaching for Portland in the AHL.

Travis 02-03-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka (Post 2218024)
There are rumors swirling around the city that he's having health issues. Don't know what or how severe or even if the rumors are remotely true.


Who? Horc, MacT or Hitch? So far I haven't seen any mention of any of those guys from all the talking heads on twitter other than Hitch of course being turfed.

Galaxy 02-03-2010 06:27 PM

Kind of dumb that HSBC Arena doesn't have an overhead view of the goal nets. It should be mandatory in every arena.

johnnyshaka 02-03-2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 2218031)
Who? Horc, MacT or Hitch? So far I haven't seen any mention of any of those guys from all the talking heads on twitter other than Hitch of course being turfed.


MacT...I've seen a few comments about him being ill on some of the oiler blog sites...again, nothing concrete but he also hasn't been on any of the TSN broadcasts lately (or that I've noticed) so I'm inclined to believe that something's up.

samifan24 02-03-2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TurnerONU22 (Post 2218028)
I'm really hoping for Kevin Dineen, former CBJ player coaching for Portland in the AHL.


Mr. Hartford Whaler Kevin Dineen!

Pumpy Tudors 02-03-2010 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs (Post 2217510)
In one of his first shifts as a Leaf, Dion Phaneuf beat up Colin White.

I think Pumpy and I had simultaneous climaxes.

I cannot disagree.

TurnerONU22 02-03-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24 (Post 2218076)
Mr. Hartford Whaler Kevin Dineen!


Yeah, between Dineen, Geoff Sanderson, and Andrew Cassels (don't forget Robert Kron!) the early Jackets had a few former Whalers.

Sadly, Doug MacLean basically made Dineen retire during the 02-03 season, instead of letting Kevin go out on his own terms. I always liked the guy, and remember his toughness during those first two seasons. I think he'd be a perfect fit for this team.

bhlloy 02-03-2010 11:35 PM

Hiller has just been ungodly since the Giguere trade, 30 save shutout and then a 46 save effort against the Wings tonight to absolutely steal a win. Detroit had 29 scoring chances and only scored one goal, unbelievable performance.

Hopefully this is a great sign that he can handle the pressure of being the undisputed number one. I've said all along he's got the positioning and the agility to be a top 5 goalie (and maybe even better - I've only seen a couple of guys go side to side like he can in the last 15 years I've been watching the NHL), the only bit I had any doubts about was the mental side of the game.

bbor 02-03-2010 11:46 PM

How was Blake?

johnnyshaka 02-03-2010 11:48 PM

F'ing Oilers are on a tear!!!

bhlloy 02-03-2010 11:58 PM

Funny, I was going to post a DOLA about Blake but got distracted.

So far so good, he's hustling and going hard to the net/playing in the corners. Not sure if he'll keep it up but he looks like he's still got something left to me. I think the Selanne-Koivu-Blake line could cause a lot of problems with their pure speed. They looked pretty good tonight but just didn't have the final product, once they gel I'm pretty confident they'll be a decent second line. Not sure Blake brings more than Sexton on the offensive end but he's definitely much more responsible with the puck and a much better all-around player.

Maple Leafs 02-04-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2217907)
He'll only be 32-33 in 3 or 4 years! That's "too old" to help the Leafs? He'll still be a few years from his prime then!

Leafs are now the youngest team in the league, apparently.

Maple Leafs 02-04-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 2218219)
So far so good, he's hustling and going hard to the net/playing in the corners. Not sure if he'll keep it up but he looks like he's still got something left to me.

Oh, he hustles alright. He doesn't pass, or score, or hit, or get off the ice until his shift is 90 seconds old, and his teammates all hate him, but he does hustle. Enjoy your $4M hustler for the next three years.

Pyser 02-04-2010 06:11 PM

usa today guy (who is good with atlanta news, apparently) says kovy is getting dealt tonight to an eastern conference team. tsn adds its not the bruins or rangers. any guesses?

JonInMiddleGA 02-04-2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser (Post 2218664)
usa today guy (who is good with atlanta news, apparently) says kovy is getting dealt tonight to an eastern conference team. tsn adds its not the bruins or rangers. any guesses?


It'd be like Waddell to deal him to the East, another idiotic move from the resident idiot.

I mean, it's not as though it matters what they get in return for him, if DW makes the call then they're going to be a bust regardless, so why not at least deal him to the West for a couple of bags of pucks just so the few remaining fans don't have to have it rubbed in their face as often.

JonInMiddleGA 02-04-2010 06:21 PM

But if I had to make a guess based on those parameters, I'll say it's Pittsburgh.

Something like Ilya & Afinogenov in return for Letang, Dupuis, a 1st, and some bodies to make the cap work out.

Of course, this is DW, so ATL will probably throw in Slater and do a 3-for-1 to get Gonchar.

DeToxRox 02-04-2010 06:27 PM

Kovy to the Devils is a done deal according to FSN in NJ. No other details.

Pyser 02-04-2010 06:28 PM

fuck me. apparently its the devils.

Pyser 02-04-2010 06:28 PM

id guess bergfors, oduya and some picks.

Pumpy Tudors 02-04-2010 06:34 PM

help

JonInMiddleGA 02-04-2010 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser (Post 2218676)
id guess bergfors, oduya and some picks.


That'd be typical DW.

A second liner who hasn't scored a goal since 12/30, a d-man, and some picks to fuck up.

Thrashers ought to have held out to at least make someone take Waddell in the deal but that would have required competent ownership that actually, you know, had any interest whatsoever in hockey.

DeToxRox 02-04-2010 06:38 PM

This move makes no sense for either team. NJ is giving up a decent amount for a rental when you consider Ilya does not fit their system. I know they can change the system but it's their staple.

For Atlanta .. I know he was gonna be a UFA but this is the best you can do .. Really?

Pyser 02-04-2010 06:40 PM

mind you, thats a total guess. but bergfors is a rookie, and has promise. oduyas solid, but having a bad year. but hes a smooth skating dman.

also, atlanta really devalued kovy by waiting, and then announcing he wont take a 100m deal. so its a clear rental situation, making him cheaper.

Pumpy Tudors 02-04-2010 06:41 PM

I just heard Oduya plus two guys from Lowell (D Tyler Eckford and LW Alexander Vasyunov). Neither of those two minor-leaguers is going to be very useful down the line, I don't think.

Edit: I have no idea if this is accurate. Internet trashpress insiders, etc.

Pyser 02-04-2010 06:42 PM

pumpy, if we made this deal AND kept bergfors.....well, holy shit. thats WAY too good to be true.

Pumpy Tudors 02-04-2010 06:50 PM

Welp, now the rumors are saying Bergfors. Who the hell knows?

Honolulu_Blue 02-04-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2218692)
Welp, now the rumors are saying Bergfors. Who the hell knows?


H_B's college football recruiting insider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pumpy's hockey insder.

Pumpy Tudors 02-04-2010 06:55 PM

help

cartman 02-04-2010 06:58 PM

I heard it was Parise and Brodeur.

Spoiler

Dr. Sak 02-04-2010 07:00 PM

I heard Colin White is not involved in the deal.

Pumpy Tudors 02-04-2010 07:00 PM

I heard you can all kiss my ass.

Dr. Sak 02-04-2010 07:02 PM

FriedmanHNIC

Believe the deal is Oduya, bergfors, nick palmieri and a first rounder

Logan 02-04-2010 07:04 PM

A very un-Lou like move no?

Pyser 02-04-2010 07:14 PM

i nearly called it.

Atlanta Thrashers receive Oduya, Bergfors, Patrice Cormier and a 1st-round pick for Kovalchuk


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