Like who?

Thanks Lathum! That is awesome :D

The people I am most suspicious of at this point are you, Mccollins, Packerfanatic and maybe Claphamsa. Packer has quietly voted to eliminate a different villager each day and has been very under the radar. Claphamsa has played very differently from the two games I was in which he was a villager, but there's really nothing more than that for him at this point.

Also, Eaglefan has managed to vote for no one who has gotten lynched, is this typically good or bad?

I just got my scores back for the CBEST and I passed. It wasn't that difficult, but I was already accepted into a hard to get into graduate program and this was the last thing I needed. I feel so relieved now, I would have been so upset if I wasn't able to be admitted because of this :)

Sorry the diversion, but I feel so much better now!

whats CBEST?

It's a search engine??? :confused:

:D

California Basic Educational Skills Test. Its required to teach and for other things. I already did very well on the GRE, interview and other things for entrance. This was an easier test, but the last one I needed. And since the next test scheduled wasn't until August, I would have been in danger of losing my spot.

OK, thats some funny shit

Now that Olie is dead and innocent can we please go after Pass???

This post makes me think that EITHER Pass or MCcollins is a wolf, but not both. I have my blinders on with Pass though, and will worry about Mcc tomorrow

Didn't SnDvls turn out to be the seer? Doesn't this mean everybody should be voting Pass right now?

This vote makes me trust Eaglefan

why is he clearly a wolf?

who would that be?

If Sndvls voted eaglefan... maybe we should go after him next? but he did vote saldana and he was clean

I wasn't home when you posted this.... did it say I was online? I got home at 3:45 central

woohoo, 8 dolas, I rock.

A couple of things I would like to point out. We are going after different people each day... instead of focusing on people we put heat on, but got nothing out of. Where did all the pressure on CR go? Did we forget about him? And we really are not working as a team, even though its hard to figure out who is a wolf or not, we are just off in our world not trying to do whats best for the village. Sndvls seemed like a perfect wolf, and i am very interested to find out how early in the draft Poli picked him, and if hoops would have picked him if poli had not for the wolf team.

Our main roles left are the hunter and philosopher. I assume the philosopher has not found the cultist or we would be made aware by now. Also, if the hunter is alive at the end, we win, so i am glad he is still in the game.

Yeah, that is very odd.

I voted mccollins yesterday, and I am still leaning that way, but Danny is giving me a bad vibe. I know that that's not "analysis", but it's a gut feeling. For now, I'll stick with yesterday's vote:

Vote mccollins

21 entrants, 5 wolves... 6 dead villagers, so villagers are still ahead; 10-5, but I really dont like that ratio

I was just being funny. My wife used to be a teacher in California once upon a time so I knew what it was :) Grats on passing!

Thanks! The was the last prerequisite I needed. I am officially good to go now and will be moved from conditionally accepted to full acceptance :)

Yeah, congratulations man!!!!

Sorry, I wasn't saying who was online. I was waving to the wolves.

We're still at this point? RendeR and Telle. Let's start out my COT with them. Next up is Alan T -- Duke.

In the next level of trust, we've got EagleFan. His late vote to try to save olie makes me trust him a bit. I'm also liking him because I'm not trusting mccollins.

In the middle, we've got the rest: GE, Schmidties M and F, and CR.

In the last level, we've got the wolves. LSG tipped me off, when she preferred a run-off between me and olie yesterday -- when it's villager/villager, the wolves can relax. PF and Danny were also voters for olie. The tough one to crack here is clap. He voted for mccollins, but he voted early. My hunch is that they were sweating this one out quite a bit, but they knew that even if the vote managed to get tied, they had the Masons (RendeR and Telle on their side.

There's 14 players left in the game, so we're actually at 9-5 here. The cultist makes it 10-4 as far as win scenarios go, though.

Congrats!

I don't feel particularly good about either Pass or Mccollins, but I want to hear from someone else I am suspicious about. Packerfanatic has been in on the vote for every villager kill thus far and has been way UTR and hasn't had to show much of anything. At the least, I'd like to see him respond to a couple of votes.

Vote Packerfanatic

If you want to see a couple, I'll join you.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

Although my hunch is you will be moving your vote.

As of Post 1933:

4 Passacaglia: Claphamsa (1864), PackerFanatic (1865), Telle (1872), Lonestargirl (1923)
2 mccolins: EagleFan (1855), Schmidty (1921)
2 PackerFanatic: Danny (1931), Passacaglia (1932)

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

I'm sticking with my vote from yesterday and who SnDvls voted for yesterday as well - hoping he saw something then.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was stating my belief that you are far from cleared, so not sure we should buy into you saying Telle is a mason. BTW, that post reads like a statement, not a hunch. I am glad you clarify that here.

And never said you said you yourself was a Mason. Just heading off at the pass (pun intended, lol) in case anyone leaps to trusting you on that statement alone (or trusting Telle).

Fair enough. :) I am still reading through the thread, but I look forward to seeing how this goes, too. I don't have big issues going after any of those three (or Telle).

I won't be on in the morning since I have to be at work at 7:30am pst.

I'm comfortable with my vote and don't anticipate changing it in the morning. Let's hope that Lathum was the fake seer and we nab a wolf.

I agree with everything oliegirl has said to this point, and am surprised you don't see how the wolves might try to pull that off. Frankly, this game has been a CF from the get-go, and that was just one more mindf***, IMO.

Also, you're forgetting that the wolves have their own seer searcher, according to the rule set. They may be confident they will find the real seer and not to concerned with drawing him/her out. It's not like it would be hard for them (with the advantage of knowing who are wolves) to narrow down the list of potential seers pretty significantly in just a day or two.

I would guess it is more worth it to the wolves to confuse the seer and keep him from coming out until they can find him. After all, who else can hurt them now?

Well, can't say I am surprised, although I certainly could have been talked onto her as others were.

I guess we just have to take what we can from this. The good news is that we have a bead on our masons. Of course, so do the wolves, so I am not too interested in spelling things out for them. But the way they have played, I doubt they need any help. :(

...sigh

Okay, so the wolves already found the seer or got lucky. I didn't think SnDvls was the seer, although he was certainly on my shortlist of potentials simply out of not being cleared (it's virtually the same list for wolves, though).

Hey, congrats! Now go get a job, subby! :)

TBH, I am very curious about EF. His voting history has been questionable to say the least. But Pass is also still a "person of interest" for me.

Well, unless olie and mccollins are both villagers. Then it doesn't really matter to him where his vote is, and he could just be setting up his continuing "no cleared villagers voted" record.

I don't really get this.

Pass, to me, is "acting" like a villager. I have argued for killing him to attempt to clear the matter of the seers, but that is no longer an issue. I don't necessarily say we shouldn't vote him out, because we may still determine who the actual seer was, and thus put our faith down thusly and correctly on the right seer. But I don't think the vote on him is as curious as the one on EF. Pass has been a target for a bit now. If SnDvls scanned Telle instead of Pass (they are a linked toss up in my mind), then he might never have scanned Pass going into today, so his vote might have been the same sort of logic I saw in voting for Pass.

But with EF, SnDvls clearly stepped away from the direction villagers were going. He avoided the Daddy Torgo-Lathum fight altogether, and was the lone vote on EF on Day Two, in a critical vote battle. He certainly could have scanned EF after Day One. EF made a hit and run vote that day with no explanation, which is always curious.

I wish someone would put together a single post encapsulation of the argument against mccollins, because in my mind, a slip like that isn't enough to kill him this deep into the game, unless we have absolutely nothing else. And I just don't believe that to be the case.

EF has managed to avoid voting for anyone we can clear. He did a hit and run vote on Day One. A seer stepped completely out of the norm on Day Two to vote for him (and the real one, if you buy what Lathum was saying, and I do). He is uncleared in any way. And he was a key contributor to the lynch of oliegirl, before a last minute deadline to take him off of a villager lynch.

In my mind, no one left in the game has built up a bigger resume for davious wolfish behavior.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

'davious' translated through Lathum/clap-speak == devious

I'm sure you said a lot after this, but I'll steal your method and reply anyway! :cool:

As the game goes on, I've become more and more convinced I'm right about the Masons. You'd think if there were two real Masons out there, they'd vote for RendeR or Telle to let me know I'm wrong. Anyway, no, I never said I was a Mason -- it's against the rules for the Masons to reveal, which is why I had to do it for them.

Anyway....if I'm a wolf, why would I kill Sunny D?

cuz hes the seer, and you dont want him to nab other woves?

If I was a wolf, and I thought he was a seer, the fact that he voted for me without revealing would mean that I wouldn't kill him.

The main reason I have been UTR is because I am simply trying to gain some perspective on everyone here. Everyone seems to know how other people play and how they act, and I am kind of the new kid on the block (been too damn long since I have played) I have simply been bandwagoning with others and it has turned out really bad for me. I really can't blame you guys for voting me, honestly, because I would be suspicious of someone that has voted for all villagers thus far. Just know that I am not a wolf and am simply trying to gain some footing.

You voted at 3:16 PM yesterday. I wouldn't call that bandwagoning with others.

The vote for today was the only one I didn't bandwagon - mainly because I feel that SnDvls vote for you yesterday meant something and I am going off that.

One thing that I think needs to be looked at is the Day 1 vote on Lathum. There's quite a lot of cleared/dead villagers already in the list. And I just bet there's one if not two wolves lurking in there.

So in addition to Passacaglia, I think we need to be taking a look at Danny. He's been fairly UTR.. rather noncommittal.. and pretty much overlooked thus far.

You know, now I'm beginning to wonder if SnDvls really did scan Pass. If he did and knew he was a wolf then why would he vote for me first? Not that this in any way clears Pass, but it does make his potential wolf-hood less of a sure thing.

Telle, did you read post 1883?

Yeah. Remembering reading that yesterday is what got me searching today for SnDvls' actual posts for his votes and unvote.

Rock. Let me know if there's anything I can dig up to help.

You know what? Seeing as how I'm rather conflicted with my vote on Pass, I'm just going to go ahead and follow up my thoughts on Danny with a vote on him.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE DANNY

Here's another thought -- it could be that Sunny D scanned Telle and I both as wolves, and that he scans everyone the exact opposite. That would explain cronin not telling us how the fake seer scans -- if he tells us that, we have the potential for two seers.

Of course this goes back to the discussion earlier in the game: would Poli really make Lathum the real seer? Even though people routinely suspect him early in the game? Even after Lathum revealed (albeit very early in the voting day), people still didn't believe him until he was dead.

So mccollins, I see you haven't voted yet. What are your thoughts on the prospective candidates?

Telle, I don't know if you all cared or not, but how did you feel when Passacaglia 'outed' you as a mason?

On one hand, it served to spell out the in-fighting between RendeR/Telle and Alan (looks like he was trying to cover the tracks of identifying the masons), but on the other hand, is outing roles ever good for the village unless a villager is truly about to be lynched incorrectly?

From Pass's summation of the argument, it was plain for me to see you side-stepping a reveal (since you can't), but many many of us would not have caught on without Pass outing you.

In a turn of events, I am still 50-50 on Pass and this person sticks out a bit more to me for a combo of UTR play and his discussion of switching his vote on both sides of yesterday's deadline - it just seems out of place.

Vote PackerFanatic

That being said, I'll do with my vote whatever it takes to keep the person I'm 100% confident is a villager here another day.

What does this mean?

Oh, nm -- DISCUSSION of switching. Got it.

Anyway, what did you get that was wolfish out of him discussing that?

Right - why even talk about it? Seemed like he was creating himself an out. "See - I thought about switching my vote!"

I was thinking that, too, which is why I asked him about it -- but when he made the comment about switching, it seemed like he was right, that it wouldn't have made a difference. And he wouldn't have made the later comment unless I pressed him on it.

At the time I made the comment, olie was up by 2 or 3 votes (can't recall exactly and too lazy to look back) and a switch (which I was considering mainly because of discussion about the others in the running) wouldn't have made a difference. Then I thought about it - and realized I was thinking into it too much.

It's pretty obvious who you are, so I'm not going to doubt your intentions. Like all of our lynchings so far, this would be misguided though.

we got a count?

4 Passacaglia: Claphamsa (1864), PackerFanatic (1865), Lonestargirl (1923), Mrs. Schmidty (1936)
3 mccolins: EagleFan (1855), Schmidty (1921), Alan T (1935)
3 PackerFanatic: Danny (1931), Passacaglia (1932), mccollins (1965)
1 EagleFan: Chief Rum (1946)
1 Danny: Telle (1960)

thanks

Om, this is good. I think Pass got scanned as a wolf... and im coninced of Mccolins!! can we jsut lynch them both :)

RendeR and GoldenEagle have yet to vote.

If that's really what you think, you should vote mccollins. There's no reason to believe that Sunny D was the real seer.

My hunch is that you won't do it, though.

:confused: So you're sticking with the theory that Poli made Lathum the real seer? SnDvls never officially told us that he had any wolf scans and it would obviously be in your best interest not to let on like he did scan you as a wolf. Why are you avoiding an argument that would help you?

I'm just trying to make sense of what clap is thinking. If he's "convinced" that you're a wolf, that seems stronger to me than he "thinks" I was scanned and that Sunny D was more likely to be the real seer than Lathum. I don't think I've avoided any argument, rather I've tried to see why people are onto me, and work with that, instead of trying to discredit it.

While I've got your ear, mcscottins, I was hoping to get an answer from Telle about this, but since she's not speaking up, can you tell me how you felt when I did it? I couldn't tell from your post whether or not you were saying that you personally were onto them as Masons as well.

Pass, Telle's statement that "she was not revealing anything at all" stuck in my head, but I did not catch that she was a mason until you spelled it out.

Makes sense -- you seemed to take it with much less confusion than anyone else who replied to it. But what about the other part? How did you feel when I made that reveal?

Personally, I think a reveal is for a the roled person to make, but obviously that can't be done in this situation since she can't reveal.

I think reveals should be done as a last resort and thus closer to the deadline when it is obvious there is no other solution.

At the time it seemed unnecessary and really dropped like a bomb in the room.

So the choices are Pass, mccollins and PF...

My take, if it matters:

Pass: If he's a wolf it would have served us better to lynch yesterday and keep oliegirl alive but we need to get a wolf sooner or later (preferrably sooner), I am not getting a wolf vibe from him though

mccollins: He has fangs

PF: Starting to get a wolf feel from him, but not certain


If we're lucky we have 2 or 3 wolves here.

I'm staying on mccollins today and if he is not lynched he will be getting my vote tomorrow (barring a wolf revealing for certain :) ). After that I suggest we turn our attention to PF with the recent pinging coming from him.

I'm pretty sure Telle had two votes on her, pretty early in the day. I think what happened that day had potential to be better than a run-off between Telle and someone else, then have everyone move their votes off Telle after the reveal. What would be required to make it necessary?

I concur with this... then the 4th day we lynch you and are down to 1 wolf :)

A little problem with that logic is that I'm not a wolf. I was a wolf for the previous three games I played, was quite relieved to not be one this game.

This was one hour after Friday's deadline:

Sure the weekend ended up slow, but I think it would have been much better to announce this in the last 3 hours before Monday's deadline - only if Telle was actually ahead on votes.

We don't know that - you went after OlieGirl with a vengeance!

What difference does it make?

Because you should only reveal if necessary and that far in advance we don't know if it would have been necessary to reveal her role. The less info for the wolves, the better.

This is the same thing many argued to Lathum after he revealed so early.

What's the danger of revealing the Masons?

It's only a danger for the wolves as it builds a CoT so of course mccolins doesn't like it.

There is both reward and risk to it. The upside is you could have two more trusted villagers that you don't have to worry about. (Of course that doesn't matter to some people evidentally). The downside is you take away one of the only advantages that some of the villagers have over the wolves in that at least two of the villagers have a better understanding of how a vote might work, and the wolves have to guess when to try to save one of their own from a lynch. It also makes that many less people for the wolves to have to consider when looking to try to night kill a seer.

*Sigh* ok, so who do I vote for? Pass still makes my skin crawl, McCollins has a strong fang following and now Telle brings up Danny as well. I'm afraid at this point that there is too little time to get votes on Danny. So for me its Between Pass and McC...

This has hung over us since day one, lets figure it out:

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

I'd switch to Danny if it would help me. Anyway, what's been wolfish about me?

Nice try. It's a danger for the village because it gives the wolves simple targets to diminish a CoT.

Telle, you're in the thread. Any thoughts on why no one has tried to save me?