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DaddyTorgo 02-12-2010 12:40 PM

I love Shani Davis. A black speed-skater...who'd have thunk it!

Samdari 02-12-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2223542)
I'm sure you were joking, but if i had to guess (and i haven't looked...i'm sure the info is out there), I'd guess it'd be Apollo Ohno carrying the U.S. flag.


Lindsay Vonn?

Mizzou B-ball fan 02-12-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2223543)
well now i looked and i was wrong

VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- Back in 1984, Mark Grimmette was startled to find bulldozers ripping into the side of his favorite sledding hill.
Turns out, a luge track was being built. Grimmette went out and helped the crew finish the job.

That was the first step along a path that would bring him to five Olympics as a doubles luge competitor, plus the honor of being the U.S. flagbearer for Friday night's opening ceremony of the Vancouver Games.


So is he the flying Grimmette?

Lathum 02-12-2010 02:43 PM

Sad story, a luger from the country of Georgia was killed in a training run this morning.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...lugecrash.html


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VANCOUVER, British Columbia —

An Olympic official with direct knowledge of the situation says a men's luger from the former Soviet republic of Georgia has died after a crash during training. The official tells The Associated Press that the International Olympic Committee received confirmation of Nodar Kumaritashvili's death. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the 21-year-old luger's family hadn't been notified yet.

An official statement is to be released soon.

Kumaritashvili lost control of his sled near the finish Friday, went over the track wall and struck an unpadded steel pole near the finish line at Whistler Sliding Center.

whomario 02-12-2010 03:41 PM

why´d that asshole speak about it at all if the family hasn´t been notified yet? Anonimity my ass ...

Propably not exactly the important aspect here, but i felt like pointing it out...

Just this morning there had been a a quote by a german luger in the paper saying that the speed of the tracks has "definitely reached a critical point" ...

he was going at over 140 KPH, just to give an idea what extremes we are talking about...

RainMaker 02-12-2010 03:49 PM

Yeah, the course seems way too fast based on what everyone is saying and I'm not sure why those poles weren't padded.

Mizzou B-ball fan 02-12-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2223644)
Yeah, the course seems way too fast based on what everyone is saying and I'm not sure why those poles weren't padded.


At 70+ MPH, I'm not sure that taking a header into a padded pole is going to make much difference. Sad situation.

rowech 02-12-2010 03:58 PM

There had already been comments about the luge track and there are many skiers from what I understand complaining about the speed of their courses. Sounds like some dangerous situations for a lot of people.

RainMaker 02-12-2010 04:04 PM

The other problem from reading the articles is that the Canadians restricted the use of the tracks prior to the games for everyone but their own team. So people just don't have a lot of experience on it.

Senator 02-12-2010 04:05 PM

I saw this; and the least they could do was put some nets or something there. Those poles are 3 foot off the course and when he hit it; it was like throwing someone against a wall.

MikeVic 02-12-2010 04:05 PM

Great start to the Olympics.

JonInMiddleGA 02-12-2010 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator (Post 2223658)
I saw this; and the least they could do was put some nets or something there. Those poles are 3 foot off the course


Okay, that's just "duh".

Toddzilla 02-12-2010 04:11 PM

Reading about the ex-luger, it seems the guy wasn't very good, was a far cry from being competitive, had crashed on this track before, and it could be argued that he had no place competing on a wolrd-class and very dangerous course.

That, and nets would have helped, too.

JonInMiddleGA 02-12-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 2223665)
Reading about the ex-luger, it seems the guy wasn't very good, was a far cry from being competitive, had crashed on this track before, and it could be argued that he had no place competing on a wolrd-class and very dangerous course.


The gold-medal favorite crashed on the same course today, could have just as easily been him.

thesloppy 02-12-2010 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 2223665)
Reading about the ex-luger, it seems the guy wasn't very good, was a far cry from being competitive, had crashed on this track before, and it could be argued that he had no place competing on a wolrd-class and very dangerous course.


YES, HE DESERVED TO DIE, AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL!!

Senator 02-12-2010 04:18 PM


Toddzilla 02-12-2010 04:20 PM

First of all, I didn't say the guy deserved to die, you asshat.

Secondly, I just watched the video and there is really no excuse for not having some kind of protective barrier between 80mph lugers and 0mph steel I-beams. That's a colossal design flaw.

thesloppy 02-12-2010 04:21 PM

Three feet? Those things look like they're three inches off the course.

Rizon 02-12-2010 04:23 PM

And ... there are a lot of those poles ...

DanGarion 02-12-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 2223659)
Great start to the Olympics.


They hadn't started yet...

DanGarion 02-12-2010 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 2223665)
Reading about the ex-luger, it seems the guy wasn't very good, was a far cry from being competitive, had crashed on this track before, and it could be argued that he had no place competing on a wolrd-class and very dangerous course.


Stay classy FOFC...

Senator 02-12-2010 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 2223673)
Three feet? Those things look like they're three inches off the course.


Better idea of the short distance.


thesloppy 02-12-2010 05:43 PM

I can only speak for myself, and say that this is the first time I've ever paid attention to pole-distance-from-luge-course, so far all I know this is the standard set-up, based on some sort of structural necessity.


....but man, that sure does look like an obviously bad idea.

Senator 02-12-2010 05:50 PM

I think the minimum should be higher walls.

Mizzou B-ball fan 02-12-2010 05:57 PM

OK, after seeing the pictures, I recant my previous statement. Those are a lot closer to the course than the original story I read seemed to indicate.

bhlloy 02-12-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 2223708)
I can only speak for myself, and say that this is the first time I've ever paid attention to pole-distance-from-luge-course, so far all I know this is the standard set-up, based on some sort of structural necessity.


....but man, that sure does look like an obviously bad idea.


+1. I know nothing about this but at first glance looks like the kind of thing any health and safety department would take one look at and shut the entire operation down. Could be that it's just the most tragic fluke accident in the history of sport, they did everything right and just didn't think it was possible for somebody to hit it like that, but it just looks really bad right now.

rowech 02-12-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senator (Post 2223712)
I think the minimum should be higher walls.


Someone asked that and they said they don't have higher walls because then the spectators can't see.

JonInMiddleGA 02-12-2010 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 2223720)
+1. I know nothing about this but at first glance looks like the kind of thing any health and safety department would take one look at and shut the entire operation down.



Kind of what crossed my mind. Seeing those pictures, I wondered about the legal liability and what waivers the athletes are required to sign.

Senator 02-12-2010 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowech (Post 2223722)
Someone asked that and they said they don't have higher walls because then the spectators can't see.


I am a simple man, but Plexiglas is see through.

Galaxy 02-12-2010 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2223656)
The other problem from reading the articles is that the Canadians restricted the use of the tracks prior to the games for everyone but their own team. So people just don't have a lot of experience on it.


That bothers me for a variety of reasons.

rowech 02-12-2010 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senator (Post 2223736)
I am a simple man, but Plexiglas is see through.


That or nets. Like someone said earlier, it takes a death a lot of times before people ask whether something could be done a lot better than it is.

Ryan S 02-12-2010 08:09 PM

Surely death is an occupational hazard with something as crazy as luge?

MikeVic 02-12-2010 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2223753)
That bothers me for a variety of reasons.


I don't know what's normally done, but I'd think this is just how Olympics function? Kind of like a home-field advantage?

DaddyTorgo 02-12-2010 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 2223784)
I don't know what's normally done, but I'd think this is just how Olympics function? Kind of like a home-field advantage?


not sure, but i'd think not. it's not supposed to be about "home field advantage" it's supposed to be about "even playing field"

sovereignstar 02-12-2010 08:46 PM

how many more viewers will luge be getting this year now?

sovereignstar 02-12-2010 09:22 PM

look at the natives getting down to bryan adams and nellie furtado. :cool:

kingfc22 02-12-2010 09:22 PM

All I have to say is that I hope NBC never does the olympics again. How do I live in the same freaking time zone as the games and yet I'm stuck watching tape delayed coverage. This is 2010!!! People have this cool "new" invention called DVR's. Maybe NBC hasn't heard of them yet. Show the games live and if people want to watch it they can or they can record it.

EagleFan 02-12-2010 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2223797)
All I have to say is that I hope NBC never does the olympics again. How do I live in the same freaking time zone as the games and yet I'm stuck watching tape delayed coverage. This is 2010!!! People have this cool "new" invention called DVR's. Maybe NBC hasn't heard of them yet. Show the games live and if people want to watch it they can or they can record it.


So it started at 8 Specific Time?

JonInMiddleGA 02-12-2010 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2223797)
All I have to say is that I hope NBC never does the olympics again.


You won't see much difference regardless of the network.

Quote:

People have this cool "new" invention called DVR's.

Currently present in roughly 30% of US TV households. And of the top 10 most prevalent (San Diego leads at 37.7%) only three are top ten market size (DAL, LA, SF).

Quote:

Show the games live and if people want to watch it they can or they can record it.

As the Wall Street Journal explains,
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Tape delay is a product of a dilemma facing NBC Universal, whose parent General Electric Co. says it expects to lose about $250 million on the Winter Olympics. It must maximize its audience in the evenings on NBC, without alienating it."
...
Many West Coast fans were livid when NBC delayed its West Coast feeds in 2008 for Beijing's Summer Games. But the network says West Coast cities posted better ratings than average, even with a delay. NBC figures that airing the games on a delay again will attract more viewers than if they aired when no one is home.

Alan Wurtzel, head of research at NBC Universal, says internal research shows that viewers would rather watch the Olympics on a time delay than have them air at an inconvenient hour. He says the "vast majority" of the Olympics will be aired live in prime time. Nielsen Co. says over three quarters of U.S. viewers live in the East Coast and Central time zones.

Plus, the proliferation of digital recording devices that has led to wide-spread "time shifting" hasn't yet reached the Olympics and other large-scale televised events, says Lisa Quan, director of audience analysis at Interpublic Group's media agency Magna. "It's still this shared experience that you know people are going to be talking about the next day."

sterlingice 02-12-2010 10:43 PM

This is all leading up to an 80' Wayne Gretzky, right?

SI

sterlingice 02-12-2010 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2223821)
This is all leading up to an 80' Wayne Gretzky, right?

SI


Or rather a 99' tall Wayne Gretzky

SI

sterlingice 02-12-2010 10:53 PM

I have "Wayne Gretzky wearing Celine Dion's skin as a pelt" in the Olympic torch pool

SI

Galaxy 02-12-2010 10:58 PM

Wow....

sterlingice 02-12-2010 11:01 PM

Whoops. Oh well. These things happen.

SI

Tigercat 02-12-2010 11:02 PM

Great one looked none too pleased to be left hanging on the mechanical difficulty.

Tigercat 02-12-2010 11:03 PM

Dola, ah, that's why, Gretzky had shit to do, has to light two cauldrons in one night.

EagleFan 02-12-2010 11:03 PM

Nice ceremony until the opera singer and then the lighting of the torch setback.

sterlingice 02-12-2010 11:04 PM

Yeah, Gretzky looked the most uncomfortable. I imagine he's a bit of a perfectionist.

Steve Nash looked like "Sweet! I get to light the Olympic torch!" with a giant smile on his face.

SI

Thomkal 02-12-2010 11:05 PM

ah that's too bad they had the problem at the end. Thought it was a so-so Opening Ceremony. Really liked the computer generated floor stuff like the kid running through the prairies, but thought some stuff like the fiddling/tap dancing went on too long.

Galaxy 02-12-2010 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2223835)
Nice ceremony until the opera singer and then the lighting of the torch setback.



It still looks good, even if it is missing the fourth piece.

Do they light that thing indoors the whole Olympic period?


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