I suspect she probably does have some degree of help, but if that help is not 3-5 people cooking, cleaning, washing laundry, helping the kids get bathed, etc. at least 4 days per week...then I would say she still has quite a TON of menial chores to do regularly. The episode is 1 hour...spread over weeks/months of filming. By no means do we see a real documentary of their life...it's "reality" TV, which is not reality as we all know.

These are different people, with different life circumstances, than you saw in the beginning. The show is also different...as mentioned it's more about promoting and filming special trips/companies than documenting what struggles a couple has raising 8 kids. I found the show interesting & cute early on because of the kids...I now find it sad that they continue filming a family that has serious internal issues. I find a distinction here between prior to this season, and before this season...maybe this not the case for everybody?

The parents should have called it quits at the end of last season so their kids don't have to see this crap in the future...but I don't blame them for living their lives with a camera crew (prior to this season) to make enough to help their kids' quality of life and future college plans along.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

How did being artificially inseminated mean that they wanted that many kids? Just because they didn't feel right ditching a bunch of the eggs doesn't mean that they expected to have 6 new kids when they started the process...

Their doctor most likely told them that they would probably have multiples if they went with that many eggs.

Well they already had two kids, which in the crowded world we live in is more then enough already. But then they decided to go ahead and get 7 eggs inserted and 6 of them went gold (pun intended).

I'm sticking with the Roloffs.

They didn't do IVF, I believe she took clomid which frequently causes hyperovulation. Now back to your pedestal...

And that just so happens to be what my wife is on right now...look for my reality show in the next couple of years ;)

Actually, there's one bit of good news here for men: If you're wife/girlfriend watches this show, for a limited time you can win any argument with her by waiting for her to make some sort of demand and then simply saying "OK, Kate".

Note: Does not work if her name is actually Kate.

I've been using that one for a while

I think the next one will be called, "Darryl and Brent Plus Three"

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That's total judgmental bullshit. Yes, the world's population is getting intense, but when we get to the point of telling people how many kids they can have (like China), I fucking give up. Enough with the governmental power. It's getting scary, but people are just eating it up now days.

I have one kid (technically a step-daughter, but she's my girl), and that's enough for me, but saying that two is enough is crap. I don't know why your posts piss me off so much. :)

Sorry to bring politics into this. I hate politics, and didn't mean to turn this into that. My bad. Ignore my post.

I agree with one exception. If you can't support your own kids, you shouldn't be having them. While people may not like Kate and John, they at least have found ways to support their kids without relying on the government and other taxpayers.

I find the shit people giving them a little disturbing. At least he's an educated guy who had/has a good job. I'd show my disdain for the lady in the projects having her 5th kid while heading to the store paying with food stamps.

oooh so you mean octomom?

Haven't really followed her story much.

Where is your rock and can I join it?

I doubt John (is it John or Jon?) could afford to support six more kids (plus the first two) on his salary. They found ways to support them by parading them around. Notice how Octomom has a reality show deal now.

He lives in the rock next to mine, I've been living under it for about 5 months.

Besides what's been posted here or on Facebook/Twitter updates, I know close to nothing about either of these cases.

Apparently, I need to move to a new rock. :D

Why is there a thread about this crap?

No pedestal, I'm just a realist that thinks about more then myself.

Yes exploiting your children is a wonderful way of supporting them... :popcorn:

I was really trying to stay away from it. I'm not into controlling people or telling them how many children they should have, but people really need to think of more then just themselves when it comes to having kids. It's not just a ME thing when you have a child, there is an impact to all of society.

Yeah, I guess I lean this way as well. I will say it's one more drop in the deserved criticism bucket for reality television, though. John is well known for whining about Kate and usually avoiding the household chores, still has the TV show exploiting the kids despite making a ton of money, and now for being an adulterer, even though his new girlfriend is much hotter(and not a bitch).

IMO, all of this, except the whining crap, which will doubtless continue, is a sign of his wife pussy whipping him and his maturity issues. It will get better as he gets older, but of course, right now, he's still really a kid.

Some guys don't act like this at a young age. Tim "the Toolman" Taylor comes to mind. Mike Brady back in the day. But they're probably more the exception than the rule.

I think John should call Kate and apologize for fucking the school teacher. That's about all that's needed, IMO. That and hoping John remembers this if he is ever in this same situation again, to dodge the cameras.

Not my business. We each have our own views on what's best for children. As long as they aren't putting a burden on others, I don't care.

That's not what this is about, really. The whole thing started when Kate told him to quit his job so she could go on book tours and such, and he became Mr. Mom and was not happy about it but never stood up to her. I'm sure there were other little things, but that seems to be the genesis of it. The adultery was really him just acting out from being in a bad relationship and situation he didn't want to be in. And to the extent it got him out of the relationship quicker, I guess it was worth it. It wouldn't even surprise me if Kate knew about it (her brother claims she presented him with a contract last year that allowed him to see other women as long as he performed his duties on the show).

There is a pretty big difference in that these people took fertility drugs because they wanted more children (they wanted one more) and found the reality show as a means to deal with the crushing financial burden of 8 children.

The Octomom was artfiicially inseminated with a large number of eggs because she wanted to get a reality show.

LOL - that's just messed up

I think the show you are talking about is 18 kids and counting and they have 2 sets of multiples. But they have their house more structured, and the husband and wife are just more respectful and loving to one another.

My wife was saying that she read this morning that in the divorce papers Kate filed, she claims they've been separated for 2 years? Anyone else heard this?

If that's true, that's hilarious.

From what one of our secretaries told me, she read somewhere that in PA, the divorce form has 2 check boxes - 90 days or 2 years. So 2 years was checked off. Not sure if that's true or why they make it such a drastic either/or, but that's the explanation that's being floated.

Who knows what the truth is, and clearly Kate is on the outs with some of her family, so I guess you have to take these things for what they are. Apparently, the brother/sister-in-law were on the show early on and helped with the kids. At some point, they began to question whether continuing the show was good for the family/kids and had a falling out with Kate. According to them, they are/were still in contact with Jon.

Below is from about a month ago. Kate's brother and sister-in-law did a series of (supposedly) unpaid interviews with Radar Online (somewhere between Perez Hilton and People...?) that seemed to indirectly lead to the PA investigation into child labor law violations.



In another part of the interview, they say that as long as over a year ago, the film crew was expressing discomfort over filming the family because Jon and Kate weren't getting along, the kids didn't seem to like the cameras, and that, according to them, one of the camera guys told them they would get as little as 15 usuable minutes out of an 8-hour film session because of the marital issues.

Not sure if any of it is true, but they are getting a divorce now, so...!

I think just about everyone in the right mind can agree that exploiting children for financial gain isn't what's best for any child. But what do I know, I'm not a parent, which means I'm not allowed to have an opinion about what's best for children.

Just like a kid wants to be like Mike, octomom wanted to be like Jon and Kate. If there wasn't a show that glorified this it would have been much less likely to happen.

Going off of memory, I believe Radar Online is the same place that did all the Octomom interviews and tapings.

We should ban music, too, so kids don't do drugs and kill themselves.

The one positive out of this is that (for the time being) there is one less reality TV show in the world.

If it wasn't for reality TV, all I'd need a TV for is sports.

I'm not saying to ban the show, I'm just attempting to explain why people are stupid.

(it was a parody post using Rum's "Sid the Kid is an immature baby" post stanley cup playoffs rant. notice how I reference Mike Brady a paragraph earlier)

Mike Brady played hockey?

No, but Tom Brady does...he's awesome at everything.

you were right...it CAN be used everywhere.

What if the money from this show and the subsequent books went into college funds for these kids? What if it allows them to attend top notch schools? I don't have kids either and I wouldn't put my kids through this, but I'm not necessarily going to say it's immoral.

I personally believe forcing your kids to attend church on Sunday is wrong, but that's just my personal opinion. Lot of parents I'm sure would see it differently.

I'm in agreement about the church thing.

One of the moms at our daycare has subsidized care, she pays a dollar a day while we have to pay about $30. So of course we're essentially paying for our own kid AND hers through our taxes. And then what does she do? Have ANOTHER ONE. If you can't afford the first, don't have a second.

But why worry when you can get a free ride?

I had never heard more than a mention of this show until about 2-3 months ago when it started blowing up. In addition to setting a terrible example (that you can have more kids than you can afford, whore them out for publicity and become a reality "star"), could this woman be a bigger self-centered bitch?

Wow, that is a pretty damning video.

I hadn't seen that until now, but my mom mentioned it last week and said it finally turned her against Kate. That was pretty inexcusable. The ONLY justification would be if she gave one a drink, that they'd all start throwing a fit about not getting a drink. But it doesn't look like she put that much thought into it.