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lungs 11-06-2008 10:55 AM

What???? Derek Jeter didn't get the Gold Glove? Bullshit.

ISiddiqui 11-06-2008 11:08 AM

LOL!

miked 11-06-2008 11:15 AM

Rumor is that Manny has been offered a contract by the Dodgers for around 24-26M per year, but another rumor is that it's just a 2 year deal with an option or something. Why would he do that, it seems like a silly offer. It really only pays him "marginally" more than he was set to make with his declined option anyway.

Logan 11-06-2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 1881381)
What???? Derek Jeter didn't get the Gold Glove? Bullshit.


It's cool, he'll have less competition at 1B in a couple years.

lungs 11-06-2008 12:08 PM

Any Yanks fans?

Mike Cameron/Melky Cabrera rumors?

I'm torn. Cameron was lot more valuable to the Brewers than anybody gives credit. But getting CF is a black hole long term for the Crew. No, Tony Gwynn Jr. is not the answer. Question is, is Melky Cabrera basically Tony Gwynn Jr.?

Lathum 11-06-2008 12:11 PM

didnt the brewers just pick up an option on Cameron?

DeToxRox 11-06-2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 1881439)
Any Yanks fans?

Mike Cameron/Melky Cabrera rumors?

I'm torn. Cameron was lot more valuable to the Brewers than anybody gives credit. But getting CF is a black hole long term for the Crew. No, Tony Gwynn Jr. is not the answer. Question is, is Melky Cabrera basically Tony Gwynn Jr.?


Cameron is Sabathias BFF I do believe. Wonder if that is part of it.

Melky is decent but not great. Hes probably tapped offensivley but is a solid defender. Honestly, it is probably a wash. Cameron has more pop, Melky will hit for a better average. Defensivley both are good but Melky is probably a bit better.

Logan 11-06-2008 12:32 PM

Melky's pretty shitty. You can find a comparable defender who can actually hit. I wouldn't consider your CF position no longer a "black hole" if it's filled by him.

lungs 11-06-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1881442)
didnt the brewers just pick up an option on Cameron?


Yessir, $10 million.

Well, the other part of the rumor had Betemit possibly going to Milwaukee also. Not that that excites me too much either.

Qwikshot 11-07-2008 08:42 AM

Phils making a run at Holliday?

stevew 11-07-2008 08:51 AM

When does open season on fa's start.

lungs 11-07-2008 10:01 AM

Expanding on yesterday's Mike Cameron to the Yankees rumors, by last night I was hearing Ian Kennedy's name and I wondered if Brian Cashman had gone completely nuts.

Apparently not. I'm pretty sure it didn't come from the Milwaukee papers but whoever started that rumor is pretty dumb.

Milwaukee will wait to see what Sabathia does before they do anything with Cameron.

RedKingGold 11-07-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot (Post 1882109)
Phils making a run at Holliday?


Almost happened at the trade deadline last season, but the Rockies wanted too much. I think they wanted Victorino, Carrasco or Happ, and their top catching prospect (whose name escapes me at the moment) and the Phillies balked.

I'd love to have Holliday, but it depends on the asking price. You'd think that it should drop a little bit because Holliday is a free agent at the end of 09' and his agent is Boras. But if it still costs Werth or Victornio and Carrasco, I'd still balk.

While I do hope that the Phils are aggressive this off-season, I hope it's more in the FA market than trade market. The core of the defending World Champions is signed at set until after 2010, so the focus of the team should be improving the mediocre farm system in case we have to let Madson and/or Howard walk by then.

BishopMVP 11-07-2008 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 1881381)
What???? Derek Jeter didn't get the Gold Glove? Bullshit.

In a shocking upset, the "Derek Jeter Memorial Great Hitting, Terrible Fielding AL Shortstop Gold Glove" went to Michael Young this year. Beyond that, Torii Hunter? Name recognition. Nate McLouth? Why?

lungs 11-07-2008 10:16 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3686992

Interesting stuff. Two guys from India get a tryout in front of major league scouts.

Baseball would be well served to try and expand interest in China and India and Asia as a whole. Japan, Korea, and Taiwan have already produced big leaguers and I'm all for continuing to mine for talent in places you wouldn't think had any.

lungs 11-07-2008 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1882166)
Nate McLouth? Why?


Gritty white guy that made only one error.

BishopMVP 11-07-2008 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 1882170)
Gritty white guy that made only one error.

Also 40 runs below league average according to the Fielding Bible. Seriously, how many outfielders make more than say, 3 errors in a season? Other than Jose Canseco.

lungs 11-07-2008 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1882217)
Also 40 runs below league average according to the Fielding Bible. Seriously, how many outfielders make more than say, 3 errors in a season? Other than Jose Canseco.


Of course. Does anybody take Gold Gloves (or any award, for that matter) seriously?

Awards are a joke.

BishopMVP 11-07-2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 1882225)
Of course. Does anybody take Gold Gloves (or any award, for that matter) seriously?

Awards are a joke.

Sportswriters, broadcasters and Derek Jeter fanboys? :)

lungs 11-07-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1882235)
Sportswriters, broadcasters and Derek Jeter fanboys? :)


And, unfortunately, dumb owners that let GMs pay salaries based on them.

edited wording

stevew 11-07-2008 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1882166)
Nate McLouth? Why?


One error all year, i believe. He was still well below average, though.

JonInMiddleGA 11-07-2008 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1882217)
Also 40 runs below league average according to the Fielding Bible. Seriously, how many outfielders make more than say, 3 errors in a season? Other than Jose Canseco.


25, in 2008.

Delmon Young
Carlos Quentin
Adam Dunn
Fred Lewis
Raul Ibanez
Jason Bay
Carlos Gomez
BJ Upton
Willy Taveras
Lastings Milledge
Michael Bourn
Josh Hamilton
Aaron Rowand
Curtis Granderson
Melky Cabrera
Rich Ankiel
Nick Swisher
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Brad Hawpe
Brian Giles
Corey Hart
Magglio Ordonez
Kosuke Fukodome
Jeremy Hermida
Jeff Francouer

Just be glad you didn't say "make 3 errors or more per year"
That would have added 9 more to the list.

RedKingGold 11-07-2008 01:26 PM

As said before, end-season awards are pretty much a joke. So, I'm not too riled up about that.

The bigger travesty is that they are taken heavily into account for HoF selection.

BishopMVP 11-08-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1882358)
in 2008.

Adam Dunn
Fred Lewis
Jason Bay
Willy Taveras
Lastings Milledge
Michael Bourn
Aaron Rowand
Rick Ankiel
Brad Hawpe
Brian Giles
Corey Hart
Kosuke Fukodome
Jeremy Hermida
Jeff Francouer

Just be glad you didn't say "make 3 errors or more per year"
That would have added 9 more to the list.

Shurg. I'm not arguing with anyone here (not like anyone's defending the GG), I'm just trying to figure out how/why a plurality of sportswriters picked Nate McLouth on their own. There are ~25-30 NL outfielders who "only had" 2 errors or less, ~10 centerfielders, and McLouth had no reputation as far as I knew. I guess it really is a David Eckstein-hustling white guy award.

lungs 11-08-2008 04:01 PM

That's why my baseball career never progressed. I had the white part down, but I didn't have the hustling part down.

DeToxRox 11-09-2008 06:03 PM

Apparently the Nats are going to offer Tex his 10 years, 200 mil to bring him home. That is quite an interesting development if it winds up being true.

Logan 11-09-2008 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 1883664)
Apparently the Nats are going to offer Tex his 10 years, 200 mil to bring him home. That is quite an interesting development if it winds up being true.


Good lord, is "Tex" a nickname for some new, amazing player I've never heard of?

MrBug708 11-09-2008 07:31 PM

I've always know him him as Tex, was that not an acceptable nickname?

ISiddiqui 11-09-2008 07:32 PM

I think he was saying that he's not worth that much money.

DeToxRox 11-09-2008 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 1883745)
I've always know him him as Tex, was that not an acceptable nickname?


I think he's saying Tex isn't worth the money, which he isn't.

JPhillips 11-09-2008 08:38 PM

At least with a ten year deal he might be there when the Nats finally turn things around.

Chief Rum 11-09-2008 11:39 PM

Local rumor has the Angels offering Teix a 6 to 7 year deal at $20 M per. At least for now. No one's saying if they will go higher when he hits the market.

lordscarlet 11-10-2008 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 1884218)
Matt Holliday to the A's. No details yet, per Heyman on WFAN.


There goes that far fetched dream. :)

Thomkal 11-10-2008 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 1884218)
Matt Holliday to the A's. No details yet, per Heyman on WFAN.


crap, ESPN was reporting over the weekend that the Cards were their #1 choice :(

DeToxRox 11-10-2008 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1884240)
crap, ESPN was reporting over the weekend that the Cards were their #1 choice :(


Cards backed out. Price was too steep. I wonder what Oakland gave up? They have tons of depth, so I am sure Colorado made out nicely, but I am suprised the A's will take on the salary.

DeToxRox 11-10-2008 02:02 PM

2:00pm: Ken Rosenthal chimes in. The deal may not be finalized for about 48 hours. Players discussed over the weekend: Carlos Gonzalez, Huston Street, and Smith.

Smith being P Greg Smith.

Thomkal 11-10-2008 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 1884253)
Cards backed out. Price was too steep. I wonder what Oakland gave up? They have tons of depth, so I am sure Colorado made out nicely, but I am suprised the A's will take on the salary.


bummer

Coffee Warlord 11-10-2008 02:18 PM

No major surprise. Geo Soto wins NL ROY.

Evan Longoria wins the AL.

MikeVic 11-10-2008 02:33 PM

Ever since reading Moneyball, when I hear trades or trade rumours involving the As I think that Billy Beane somehow conned the other team into a bad trade. :)

DeToxRox 11-10-2008 02:34 PM

Looks like Smith, Street and Gonzalez will head to Colorado in exchange for Holliday.

I like the move for the A's. I am not sold on Street, but Smith and Gonzalez could be good pieces.

Big Fo 11-10-2008 02:52 PM

The Padres have said Peavy will likely be traded soon, to either the Braves, Cubs, or Dodgers. Even with Peavy the Braves still need some help, they have to do something about the outfield especially.

MikeVic 11-10-2008 02:54 PM

Why trade Peavy??

Fighter of Foo 11-10-2008 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 1884277)
I think it's a good trade for the A's, predicated on the Angels not retaining Teixeira. I think that the A's could compete, and get their 2 picks after Holliday leaves.


What do the Angels have to do with whether it's a good trade for Oakland?

DeToxRox 11-10-2008 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo (Post 1884293)
What do the Angels have to do with whether it's a good trade for Oakland?


Makes the West winnable for Oakland. Angels could lose Tex and KRod and their OF isn't getting younger.

MrBug708 11-10-2008 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 1884286)
The Padres have said Peavy will likely be traded soon, to either the Braves, Cubs, or Dodgers. Even with Peavy the Braves still need some help, they have to do something about the outfield especially.


I cant imagine the Dodegrs would give what the Pads want.

Lathum 11-10-2008 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo (Post 1884293)
What do the Angels have to do with whether it's a good trade for Oakland?


I would imagine its because they play in the same division and without Tex the A's can maybe compete.

Fighter of Foo 11-10-2008 03:04 PM

There's no need to win the division. Just win 95 games. If the Angels decide to keep Tex and KRod so be it.

Galaril 11-10-2008 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 1884276)
Looks like Smith, Street and Gonzalez will head to Colorado in exchange for Holliday.

I like the move for the A's. I am not sold on Street, but Smith and Gonzalez could be good pieces.


Wow. Living in the Denver area but a Sox fan and I got to say if I was a Rockies fan I would be fucking pissed for what they got. If it is true they got Street, Smith, and Gonzalez for Holiday they got screwed. The talk fpor a while here is the owners here are only interested in making money. Now I know everyone once to get paid but at least many owners at least try to win. That is not the case from everything I have seen, It is really sad because Rocky fans are very good fans and the fact they support this team year after year points to that. But, also the owners know the fans here are a little naive and no matter what fans will come out to the games with there kids since people here are really worried that the Rockies will just pick up and move. My advice to fans is grow a pair and boycott the Rockies until these owners start to build a better product.

DeToxRox 11-10-2008 03:11 PM

Some conflicting reports on who is in the deal. Sounds like Gonzalez and Smith are for sure, but it could be Street or Ryan Sweeney as the third piece.

lordscarlet 11-10-2008 03:22 PM

I fully expect all the talk of the Nationals getting a big name FA will all fall flat. Sigh.


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