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wade moore 11-07-2006 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 1298142)
Mayor 4 Lyfe


Ok.. I'm curious now...

We use that phrase ALL of the time.. but I thought I stole it from my dad... Anyone know the origin of the phrase?

QuikSand 04-20-2021 09:40 AM

Thread necromancy...


PilotMan 04-20-2021 09:45 AM

Almost 15 years! Damn!

NobodyHere 04-20-2021 10:01 AM

Do any politicians really care about the voting rights of people in DC? This is about giving Democrats extra senators. Biden would not be endorsing this if it gave Republicans control of the senate.

I propose a compromise:

Let's fold DC into Maryland and/or Virginia. The people in DC get their full representation in congress and no one can complain about "packing the senate".

cuervo72 04-20-2021 10:03 AM

I propose we combine the Dakotas.

Ksyrup 04-20-2021 10:09 AM


larrymcg421 04-20-2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3334249)
Do any politicians really care about the voting rights of people in DC? This is about giving Democrats extra senators. Biden would not be endorsing this if it gave Republicans control of the senate.

Who cares? Is it right or wrong? That's all that matters here. Maybe they are doing it

I propose a compromise:

Let's fold DC into Maryland and/or Virginia. The people in DC get their full representation in congress and no one can complain about "packing the senate".


I think some politicians care, whether or not you believe the White House does. But who cares why someone supports the policy? Is it right or wrong?

Virginia and Maryland do not want D.C. folded into their states. And that solution actually strips D.C. of some of their power, as they'd lose their 3 electoral votes.

There is no legitimate argument against D.C. statehood. None.

PilotMan 04-20-2021 10:14 AM

It's clearly not a nation where one person equals one vote and it continues to move further from it as time goes on. I seriously doubt, that when the founders created the system we have now, the never envisioned that some areas would have massively outsized population advantages over other, and that the end result of that system of representation would have such staggering effects on the balance of governance.

larrymcg421 04-20-2021 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3334250)
I propose we combine the Dakotas.


Or we split California into a bunch of Wyomings. Instead of 55 Electoral votes, 2 Senators and 53 Representatives, California would have 198 electoral votes, 132 Senators, and 66 Representatives.

pantera 04-20-2021 10:20 AM

This is a Democratic Party response to the redistricting in recent years by the Republicans, and also to the current voting rights controversies. And let's not forget McConnell refusal to let Obama's Supreme Court nominee get a proper nomination hearing.

Up next, Puerto Rico as #52.

cuervo72 04-20-2021 10:22 AM

If HI is a state there's really no reason PR shouldn't be.

NobodyHere 04-20-2021 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3334256)
If HI is a state there's really no reason PR shouldn't be.


Personally I would like to see more support from the people of Puerto Rico in order to admit them as a state.

I think the last referendum had a slim majority in favor of statehood on a 50% voter turnout. Bump the number up to 2/3 support and I'll be in favor of granting statehood.

NobodyHere 04-20-2021 10:38 AM

I'll also just throw this out there but I think we need to add about 65 representatives to the house to make it an even 500 voting members.

Vegas Vic 04-20-2021 11:33 AM

I have no problem with annexing the residential sector of DC into the state of Virginia, while maintaining the remainder as the seat of the Federal government. It accomplishes both goals; giving the people equal representation under statehood, maintains the District of Columbia as the seat of Federal government as prescribed by the constitution, all without the necessity of creating a new state.

Kodos 04-20-2021 11:36 AM

Put me solidly in the D.C. should be a state crowd. PR too.

Does adding a new state cause some burden that I am unaware of?

dfisher 04-20-2021 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3334269)
Put me solidly in the D.C. should be a state crowd. PR too.

Does adding a new state cause some burden that I am unaware of?


The Trumpers are going to have to buy updated flag apparel.

Kodos 04-20-2021 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dfisher (Post 3334271)
The Trumpers are going to have to buy updated flag apparel.


Solved! Add D.C., combine the Dakotas. No flag change needed!

cuervo72 04-20-2021 11:46 AM

Geographically, Virginia makes the LEAST sense.

JPhillips 04-20-2021 11:50 AM

In addition to D.C., I think all the territories should have the option of being states. Colonial possessions are incompatible with the Declaration of Independence.

It's just wild to me that the GOP has no belief they can win the votes of people of color. Puerto Rico has a history of electing the more conservative party to statewide office.

larrymcg421 04-20-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 3334268)
I have no problem with annexing the residential sector of DC into the state of Virginia, while maintaining the remainder as the seat of the Federal government. It accomplishes both goals; giving the people equal representation under statehood, maintains the District of Columbia as the seat of Federal government as prescribed by the constitution, all without the necessity of creating a new state.


Again, Virginia doesn't want D.C. Neither does Maryland.

And like I said earlier, this would actually decrease the power D.C. has in the presidential election.

QuikSand 04-20-2021 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3334276)
Geographically, Virginia makes the LEAST sense.


Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

larrymcg421 04-20-2021 12:10 PM

It's also funny that people are okay with D.C. being annexed into Virginia, when before they would only accept Maryland since it was so blue, it wouldn't change much. Now Virginia has gone so far blue, they'll accept that as well.

So far the arguments against D.C. statehood have been:

1. Biden only supports it because it would help the Dems.
2. Some vague nonsense about the "necessity" of adding a new state.
3. Why not give it to two states who don't want it instead?

None of those are convincing, but to be fair, there isn't a convincing argument against letting people have equal representation.

albionmoonlight 04-20-2021 12:41 PM

DC should be a state.

But making DC a state would benefit one party over the other.

So it isn't going to happen.

GrantDawg 04-20-2021 04:18 PM

Even when I was a Republican many moons ago, I was for statehood. It is the only fair.

kingfc22 04-20-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3334289)
But doing XYZ would benefit one party over the other.

So it isn't going to happen.


That never stopped Mitch McConnell

tarcone 04-20-2021 05:03 PM

Taxation without representation was pretty big back in the mid 1700s.

I have a nephew that lives in DC and wants to be a state. I have a t-shirt from him with the outline of DC and 51st splashed across it.

Sign them up for statehood. PR as well.

Vegas Vic 04-20-2021 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3334376)
I have a t-shirt from him with the outline of DC and 51st splashed across it.


Is it drawn to scale?

GrantDawg 04-20-2021 05:25 PM

I agree with PR, as long as they want it. I also think they should be allowed indendence if they want it. Same with Guam.

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