Reading about carbon fiber hulls and the whole idea for deep submersion sounds negligent.

It sounds like they had dropped the ballast and were trying to ascend. So they likely knew something was wrong. It takes something like 30 milliseconds for the implosion to happen though so there's no time to comprehend or feel anything.

Bringing it back to sports... If the Titans start strong and collapse, either in a game or overall in the season, who will be the first sportscaster to say they imploded?

The mystery of the banging noises has been solved:

"Some now believe those noises were the ghosts of the deceased, clanging away at the bottom of the ocean so at least their fate could be known."

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Example of a train car imploding.

So remember how Leonardo Dicaprio wasn't even supposed to be on the titanic? Someone else was but then he won a hand of poker and suddenly he was going?

There is a parallel.

Originally two of the occupants were going to be a billionaire and his son...altho not the billionaire that actually WAS on the trip. The CEO guy...Salvadore Rush or wahtever his name was that piloted the ship sent him several texts BEGGING him to go on the trip saying..."OH YEAH THIS THING IS SAFE. IT'S SO SAFE. It's SAFER THAN RIDING IN A PLANE, a car, a boat. It's SAFER THAN CROSSING THE STREET!"
After that the billionaire pulled him and his son off the list. That opened up two spots....
and suddenly....
Shahdaddy Dawood was contacted and HE got the magic willy wonka tickets so...then suddenly 19 year old Suleman Dawood was made to go on this trip...that he didn't have any idea about and then didn't wanna go on.

Cute story eh?

So in this case the cement block represented two previous trips to the titanic and several pressure tests in a pool damaging the structure already

This is a fascinating event I had never heard of

and just bevcause I've gone down a mythbusters rabbit hole,I had to find the answer to this

When they announced the sub had imploded on Thursday, my husband said “oh a guy on texags shared that info on Monday”

— Sarah Cooper (@itssarahcooper) June 24, 2023

Texags had this three days ago.

Well that is weird. Especially since they have kept proclaiming their innocence.

If your kid gets cancer in the US, and you’re not insured, it will either not be fully treated and/or hospital bills will bankrupt you.

If a billionaire builds a death trap and takes it for an underwater excursion, the government will pay for the very expensive rescue mission.

— Halli (@iamharaldur) June 25, 2023

If you think that the money spent on the rescue would have some how paid for cancer treatments if saved, I have a very sad thing to break to you. That was never going to happen.

Maybe I'm naïve but I've not often seen the emergency response be greatly tied to wealth. "Someone's lost? Pull their W-2s to see if we even need to leave the dock."

I think it can be argued that wealthier people have more disposable income to put them in more complex situations (e.g. this incident, going up in space etc.) requiring more public funds/effort to rescue if needed.

But yeah, overall it doesn't have much to do with wealth. If anything, it's more significant political connections than wealth.

Now if it was at the uber level of Elon, Zuck, Gates, Buffet etc. I do think there would be more "effort" put in. But regular multi-millionaires and billionaires, nah.

I don't get the apparent dynamic at play where if it's just researchers or something they wouldn't bother with a rescue attempt. That's pretty insulting to the rescuers. Cynicism for Cynicism's sake.

You can read about all kinds of rescue missions of all kinds of people, including of sick scientists in Antarctica and the efforts that go into that.

Some people are comparing the cost/effort for the Titan with the Greek shipwreck that happened at the same time.

I think it was different entities involved with those two rescues. And I don't think the Greek Coast Guard contributed anything to the titanic rescue mission.

They have nothing on Sportsdigs. Nothing.

agree with molson on this one. It's not a relevant comp. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

I don't think your average fishing boat would get this kind of response from the Navy and Coast Guard. I know people on boats between Cuba and Florida sure don't.


Yeah, I know it wouldn't. Just a way of seeing where our priorities are as a country. Imagine if that money went into some form of infrastructure.

The perception is that the US Coast Guard could've helped in both situations but chose to help only the Titan.

I blame Hunter Biden.

If they were pretty and blonde, they would spare no expense.

I've seen people criticizing the Greek Coast Guard, but blaming U.S. rescuers for that incident seems like a bit of a stretch, and I couldn't find anyone even suggesting that they had the ability/jurisdiction/notice/invitation to do anything.

Really?
Sounds pretty extensive for a non-billionaire fishing boat.

People addicted to victimhood and jealousy have mastered the art of stretching.

wait a sec...how is US supposed to help people in greece?
LIke there are all those other european countries there already

So we are now seeing all these articles and posts about how bad the bad passengers were and how good the good passengers were.
So sad.

Cool story from 30 years ago that was national headlines.

You don't have to look far for the difference in response. A fishing charter got lost a few weeks ago with a family on board in Alaska. The response was a few Coast Guard ships and private fisherman who went looking. No Navy, no Canadians, no UK, no French. No thousand mile search radius, no robots, no surveillance planes.

Do you think when a migrant boat capsizes near Florida, they get the same response as these people? Do you think you would get the same response if your fishing boat went missing in the Atlantic?

And lets not forget that the Navy knew the sub imploded early on and everyone was dead. All this was just for show.

All the resources you listed weren't used in Alaska because the weren't looking for wreckage of a submarine. It is almost like you hqve to use different resources for different situations. Funny that. And even with the surveillance hearing the explosion, they had to find the wreckage for confirmation.
As for immigrants, that is pure politics. There are political ramifications when dealing with asylum seekers.

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I'm also fine with taxpayer money going to save people in international waters around the globe. It's a better use of our military than losing wars in the Middle East. But the amount of resources that went into saving these people who we knew were dead is not normal.

Why are we putting in those kind of resources for the wreckage of a submarine? The Navy knew they were fish food immediately. From what I've read,it was a private vessel, and there is no real national security issue in finding the fragments of metal that survived the implosion.


What makes this sub different from a boat coming from Haiti? You can save people and send them back to their country if necessary.

First point: They knew but they didn't. It is like a plane going off radar into a mountain. They would never confirm it till they found the plane. And it isn't easy finding wreckage under thousands of feet of sea. They'll spend huge amount of time and manpower on a plane wreck that is hard to find as well. That's what these guys do.
Second: Because once on a US military ship, they can claim asylum. They legally can't be returned back to their originating port by US and international maritime laws. As it is, a large portion of the Coast Guard resources are dedicated to dealing with asylum seekers because they also have a legal obligation to help anyone they come across in distress. It is not like they aren't doing anything.

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i'm still really cheesed off about this whole "military knew they were dead on Monday" thing. I want answers
rainmaker, give me those answers.

I'm almost thinking that everyone that said they knew....didn't REALLY know

The US has a huge line of microphones in the waters to listen and keep track of submarines. Reports say those microphones picked up an explosion toward where the sub sho6ld have been around the time they lost contact. They thought it was likely the sub was lost. That is not confirmation, which they really didn't have till they found the wreckage.

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1) Planes are licensed and regulated by the government. There's a responsibility to ensure no crime was committed and that the cause is determined to protect other planes. The investigation into plane crashes lead to valuable information that save countless lives. There is nothing of value to be gained from recovering what's left of this guys toy sub unless the Coast Guard is opening a souvenir shop.

2) Not sure what you're getting at here. Should search and rescue missions be based on the likelihood of whether the person files for asylum? Worth noting that 4 of the 5 passengers were foreign citizens.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/busin...zn4UAGCO9TZbMw

um...guys...
we've got a serial killer on the loose now. That's the second billionaire in a week to die

70 years old and still driving, and on a race track. More power to him, died doing a hobby he enjoyed.

seriously get columbo

I think that perception is ridiculous, for reasons stated by CrimsonFox. The US Coast Guard is the US Coast Guard, not the Worldwide Coast Guard.

someone said I was right about something? marking this day down!

What did this sub have to do with the US?

You pretty much just always need something to criticize, what does any of these tragedies have to do with the US in the literal sense?

To imply that the Coast Guard chooses who and how much to help based on status, wealth or anything else is ridiculous. In terms of the Navy being involved it was because their sensors picked up the implosion, which, as has been mentioned they couldn't confirm until wreckage was found.

Meanwhile right wing nut jobs are using the storyline that the Navy didn't say anything because people thinking there was still a chance of the crew being found, distracted people from Hunter Biden.

Sometimes the narratives are better than the truth I guess, which is the Navy and Coast Guard followed standard protocol.

my point was...there's no way the US or canada could help rescue a boat in Greece bercause we AREN'T THERE. I mean unless we have some boats there that are able to help.

The sub thing was....whoever was in the area raced to help!
Watch an episode of Deadliest Catch. Every season they highlight a rescue from the coast guard. Sometimes they are not successful. sometimes they are. It is always a race against time and always the nearest boat races to try to help...because that's what you do.

Exactly

the whole compating this to immigrants coming to florida in boats...
hmmm that's a toughie. I mean they happen so often.
isn't it just lots of little boats? or is there bigger ones too. dunno. I guess it would be easy enough just to have a boat there permenently for such thing.
but yeah it's not like anyone can see some of them or know they are coming.

If someone really believes the US Coast Guard sits by idly while a boat, containing legal/illegal people, is sinking off the coast of Florida ... I'd like to see the links.

I can clearly see some mis-judgements and errors, but willing to bet the US Coast Guard comes in to help in vast majority of cases.

They actually spend a large part of their time scouring the Keys for just that. It is a part of their mission, and they take that very seriously.

Absolutely. I don't understand the whataboutism or as many here like to call out, the "both sides".

Oh, maybe its not the actual saving (because we know that happens), maybe it's how they are treated on the Coast Guard boat or sent back if illegal?

I think our entire 6th fleet is there.


They sent out over a dozen Coast Guard vessels, three C-130s, three C-17s, along with whatever the Canadians sent.

If you think a fishing boat out of Alaska (which we just had a few weeks ago) or migrants coming from Haiti, the Bahamas, or Cuba receive that kind of response, I've got some bad news for you.

whoa where did you find that liost ?

I don't know why we keep arguing this, but again: Finding a fishing boat doesn't require the same level of requirement that it does to find a sub thousands of feet under water. It is like comparing apples and zebras.

There's like a thousand articles on the response to Titan. This one mentions the planes but is vague on what the additional "assets" the Air National Guard, Coast Guard, and Navy sent.

Here's How the Military Is Helping Search for the Lost Titanic-Bound Sub | Military.com

I have to say kudos to those that can look at, recover, take care of, autopsy etc. human remains after a horrendous event (Titan, airplane crashes etc.). I wonder if they are born somewhat immune or if their training has made them okay with seeing these situations. Probably both ... I know I couldn't sleep well after seeing.

My dad was a fire fighter. I think you get somewhat used to it, though I have found first responders and morticians have very morbid senses of humor. Fire fighters call burn victims "crispy critters" I believe in a way to make them less human. There were scenes my dad responded to that he refused to ever describe. As bad as burn scenes could be, car accidents are the ones that really got to him, especially kids.

My wife had a friend whose dad worked as a crime scene photographer for Atlanta Police. He on the other hand had no problem showing us his most gruesome pics. He had one of guy that jumped from the top floor of the Hyatt Regency downtown and landed half on a planter in the lobby. That one has never left me.

When I worked for Orkin mid 80's one of my accounts was the Compton Police Station and I was always escorted by someone I could best describe as Barney Fife, they didn't even let him have a gun. He was always eager to show me crime scene photos, that I really had no interest in seeing, but he literally shoved them into my face.

Another thing I learned from that place is how shoddy some crime scene evidence is maintained, it was eye opening.

Largely, in my experience, a learned response. As GD noted, there's a definite dark humor that's common among the various professions where that sort of thing is (relative to the rest of us) encountered more frequently.

I know just from my news gathering days you build up a certain resistance, as well as coping mechanisms. Every fire/police/EMT I ever knew had about 50x the armor to it I had and I was pretty fn detatched after 10 years or so. Go to enough fatal wrecks, fatal fires, drowning recoveries and you have to find a way to deal with it.

The thing is though, of the various ones I got to know even reasonably well, I don't know if there were any who I ever came across who didn't run into the occasional thing that was simply too much. That's part of my conviction that it's a learned / practiced response. If it were innate somehow then those things that break through would be less likely to come up IMO.

Accurate. One of my best friends is a firefighter in Cincinnati. He has seen some shit. Works in OTR which is a very bad area. HE is pretty much desensitized. Kids get him, he sees a lot of people who have ODed while driving, gun violence, etc...

Anderson Cooper directed a special presentation now on CNN about the entire week and the details of the sub. Fills in some much needed blanks.

I didn't realize the billionaire ALSO went into Space with Bezos.

I think it was only a matter of time...

I equate him to the vampire lord in Vampire Hunter D that lived for 1000s of years and was just bored with everything

The US Coast Guard is, by far, the most useful and productive not only of all the Armed Forces, but any part of the DHS, and also more than most police departments.

This is from a few years ago, but gets the point across:

My college roommate spent his whole life wanting to be a cop. Studied law enforcement at school and became a state trooper right out of school. Really tough, stoic guy. Worked for 15 years and one day took a call for an unresponsive child. The 1-year old had been beaten to death (I think the baby was barely alive when they arrived and died later at a hospital) by the father who was angry at the mother about something.

Anyway, said that was it and now works at a Farm & Fleet. And this isn't a guy who was easily rattled. He did emergency relief work after hurricanes and other disasters. I know he came across his share of dead bodies.

OTR has changed A LOT in the past 10 years. It's still got some very sketchy areas, but by and large, it's gentrified with lots of bars, breweries, and restaurants.

I know but he's been there 20+. It just started changing when we moved.

Actually changed houses recently because he is close to retiring.

I feel like this story belongs here

Millionaire CEO dies doing something stupid at his company's office party.