None, but we have to be wary of a fun run suddenly turning into the end of the voting day.

Right now 8 is the magic number, so no real worries this early, but at least for me it's something I'm going to have to keep reminding myself about. We typically have several lead changes in a day but it's going to be hard to manage that here.

Checking in. Still catching up on ruleset as I've never played a mafia game - Salem rules or not.

Today is gonna be a busy day at work but I shall check in as I can

Wait... this is a really long N0, I think. Not sure votes are relevant yet.

Think this is day 1.

Or night 0.. Now I am confused

Conflicting information, EF. :p

This is only my second WW ever and the last one was I think 10 years ago, so I'll try my best to get up to speed.

:crazy:

Hey just a quick check in. Had some car issues and haven't gotten to work yet (which is where I do most of my WW posting).

I'm guessing D1/N1 will actually be Wednesday?

Sorry. Night actions tonight only. Day actions begin tomorrow. Can be viewed as a night zero.

Hey party peoples! I blame the republicans.... oops. wrong thread.

me too but we digress . . .

This ruleset is going to make things very different than normal I think. For starters, there are way more wolves (mafia) than usual, plus additional "evil" (neutral) roles. iirc in the online games there is usually 6 mafia in a 15 player game (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm assuming that EF is not going to divulge the true #s of evils, neutrals, town, but based on the rule set I assume there are way more evils than usual which means vote tallies could be more useful and volatile when evil has a block of half a dozen voters. In the online game, it goes so fast there is no time for strategizing and more often than not most (or many) players don't even have time to get a vote in - so that helps to balance out the large # of evils. In this format, though, there is plenty of time so imo the mafia has an enormous advantage.

EF, does the mafia have any limit to their evil chat room? I noticed in the Salem rules it says mafia can only communicate with each other at night.

Anyway, should be interesting to see how it plays out. Good luck!

Sorry. Night actions tonight only. Day actions begin tomorrow. Can be viewed as a night zero.

red/bold for effect

ok, read the rules. Yikes... lots of possible combinations. I took away that we have 8 or 9 goods and 4 or 5 evil. At least one kill each night with a possible other kills (WW at full moons and Town Killing and Neutral Killing). We also seem to have either a Veteran or a Vigilante since we already had a Jailor. This could be a bloodbath folks!

vote chief

hehehe

Sorry, posted that from my phone at lunch. Pain to do the formatting on there. :)

aw so we can't vote for people yet?

The sadness in that drawing is really hitting me... it's an existential condition for a poor T. rex.

And it also causes us to step back and ponder the great existential question of our time:

Who tied the Tyrannosaur's shoes?

Mind blown!!!

When I was a kid, I had a nightmare that Grimace, with a flat top head instead of a rounded head, was standing in my bedroom doorway, looking evil.

Still didn't stop me from going to McDonald's.

And a bull moose special. For cripes sakes man!

:devil:

tick...tock...tick...tock...

No night kill(s)?

Would be helpful to know if anyone was attacked unsuccessfully.

crap I got doused. My clothes are ruined. These things cost me 5 bucks!

*swings at shovel and misses*
there, happy?

kittens, we've got an arsonist in our coop

Ok so no serial killer.. How about the mafia attack?

don't know. they hit the bodyguard/doctor or they forgot to send in an order?

EF, is there a rule about forced random actions if killers forget?

doctor can you please protect this humble fox?

hey arsonist, the lookout will see you if you ignite me, see?

i'll leave it to you guys to solve the game then...

i'll just be a firefox

Failing a BG or Doctor reveal...which honestly would be awful even if they did do something here since they can leave a will...what do we do? Assume someone inactive forgot to send in their ability? That doesn't sound like the best logic in the world to me.

I've played a bit of town of salem. With all the night kill abilities going on, if the town screws around and lynches any and all it generally doesn't end well. More often than not playing that game there is no lynch for several days until they have info to go by.

No

We are not looking for anyone to reveal

We want to know if anyone got a message about being unsuccessfully attacked

now let's not give people MORE reasons not to vote :/

just going to start putting up people until they talk

ragone

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

Perfect, thanks autumn

Interesting... I did have night actions and I learned some items. I'll make sure they are in my will with EF. I think it may help us on future days.

Did I mention I love the use of wills!

Note to all: Make sure you utilize your will. I assume that evil could try to fabricate things but it should be possible to verify claims if the information included is accurate enough.

Thumbs up, Autumn.

Any news from last night on your side brit?

Nothing noteworthy.

Curious... (and I am quoting Autumn, but this is more directed to our unknown Jailer), but I am guessing here we are viewing the jailer's decision to target you as a good thing?

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.

Of course, down the road, I am guessing the jailer will be less about protecting and more about catching and/or stopping the mafia.

Sorry, all. I've been tied up in work all morning and will be for a few more hours at least. Trying to read and catch up.

Also remember that the Jailor can start executing on Night 2. I guess tonight will be night 1, right?

Today is day 2/night 2. There was no day 1.

Thanks boss.... where's that BMS time machine?

Hey jackal... what's up bro? Whatcha thinking so far?

Meta?

That's right.

So is Autumn still in jail? Do we get some sort of notice of him staying or leaving?

I think it's a summoning vote.

I need to catch up but I am here!

Good result. We need all the help we can get with so much scum running around. Seems a stretch to think anybody had an inkling about who to protect at this point and that they could have guessed right, but that's what appears to have happened. Most of you have played together and some of us have no meta-history here, does it make sense that Autumn would be double targeted on night zero? Does she draw that kind of attention in fofc ww games? Not doubting the veracity of her claim, just thinking out loud as a successful protection the first night isn't a typical outcome (but I don't think this ruleset will be typical in any way). How does a jailing work? Do either the jailor or the jailed learn each other's identity when someone is locked up? Also, maybe I missed it, but do we know for sure that the mafia can attempt a night kill on night zero? Who else could have attacked besides mafia? Just the serial killer right?

I'm not familiar with this ruleset nor have I played it before, so I'm going to have to keep re-reading the rules. Seems like we've got some hesitancy to nominate people going on here, or maybe it's just inactivity? I'll check in as I can, the other two managers on my team are out this whole week so I won't be as active as sometimes

*he

And yes, it makes sense. Autumn is a respected vet so I could see the jailor wanting to protect and/or getting an early read if he put in a will. Autumn is also a very believable N1 kill target.

There are so many roles and possibilities in this game, good lord - should be fun.

I think we're just going to need to force some action to get reveals/night actions/etc. No one has said anything particularly questionable thus far so I'm probably leaning mostly random with my vote here.

CF... why ragone?

I am waiting for a few more individuals to show up before voting. Stay tuned..

So we're approaching the nomination deadline (yes, I'm aware it's a moving target) and we're nowhere near an actual nom candidate. And it was suggested, I believe, that in these games, that does happen, and that several days can pass before we get enough information that people feel strongly enough to do the nomination. Is that correct?

And if so, is that the best strategy for us here? We always say here that we want a vote history, and this game doesn't really encourage heavy voting. Is there good reason to adjust our approach to this game, or do we start putting it on ourselves to vote regardless, and let the chips fall where they may?

Hm, what happens if we don't have someone meeting the nomination criteria by the deadline? Is there no lynch?

Bit of a double post there with CR, but it's something we should discuss. Vote history is always useful, but we do have a bunch of roles with night actions that are going to lead to claims as well.

Correct

Bring on the bull mooses, I say

vote thejackal I think you know more than you are letting on. Evil would hide any information learned last night while good would come out and explain that you know some information but that it isn't privy to the discussion right now. That and wanting to extend the process is giving me some pings.

Pretty sure it was at least day 4 before anybody was put up for lynch the time I played Salem. I think that makes sense given the ruleset, even with the time difference.

I had forgotten the earlier nomination timeline, got busy working. I don't have anyone in mind at the moment, so not ready to throw someone under the bus in teh next few minutes, but I'll look back quickly.

I'm not in jail, it's a night-only thing, but it means the jailer can choose to execute me tonight if he or she chooses. Apparently you guys don't get any notice of the event, so it's a bit of info we have to be wary of being used as misinformation. Take my claim with a grain of salt at this point.

I would view it as mostly neutral. I assume I just drew someone's eye for being mouthy and they wanted to learn more about me if possible. People just like to use their abilities.

I have information from last night but it's irrelevant at this point, will be happy to share if it becomes relevant

how does the janitor know that a person is dying? how does he have enough time to help beofre the person dies?

Also, I'm definitely not advocating extending the process. I figured we didn't have nearly enough traction to lynch someone today, but as you know if you've played with me I'm a big believer in vote history so to stumble along without it for too long just means we'll be doing random things. What I do think is that with all the prevention/action roles at night, we're going to get candidates filtered that way moreso than votes. But if we're down to a few in the end, votes will always be good to look at.

But also, votes will pressure people to reveal. I'll definitely be voting tomorrow.

What are the pros and cons of not voting someone out each day? I am not sure I get why we wouldn't have a vote go through everyday.

i'm never a fan of NOT voting someone out. That just gives control to other teams. And you learn nothing except night kill stuff.

the threeway thing does make this interesting but it's just as important to vote for people. plus the person majed will not necessarily die. we also learn from the guilty/innocent votes like in resistance/avalon

speak your wisdom, great jackal

True. We should have healthy discussions and nominate someone everyday. We don't have to lynch. But even lynches would give the group more information to narrow down the wide, wide realm of possibilities that exists at this point.

This may be taboo in this version of social deduction games but it had been too damn quiet. To hell with it...

I want to know why jackal, Brit and tdfs visited autumn in jail last night. My guess is there were some nefarious activities in mind. I see no reason not to start lynching into that group since it is the only solid evidence we have so far.

Discuss.

Of this is accurate then jackal, Brit or tdfs attacked autumn.

'if' not 'of'... Darn smartphone.

I am not a fan of no lynches. The village gets zero info and evil gets an extra night of night actions.