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Autumn 04-13-2015 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3018612)
Ok, getting away from my meta. Autumn's post was a bit off, trying to poke fun maybe but seemed odd.


"trying" to poke fun? Man, pour some salt on it why don't you. Also *poke* fun, I get it!

Autumn 04-13-2015 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3018600)
The second bit is to acknowledge that I normally wouldn't vote JAG on day one but I'm feeling frisky today.


TMI

Autumn 04-13-2015 07:36 AM

Having woke Narc up I will vote my former co-mod in an attempt to rouse him from his pokeslumber.

unvote narcizo
vote shoveler

Grover 04-13-2015 07:37 AM

VOTE The Jackal

Because he's a Redskins fan. Who does that to themselves? Seriously.

Narcizo 04-13-2015 07:58 AM

As of whatever the hell the time is over there - 08:57?

Vaimes 1 - Jackal(77)
Britrock 1-JAG(59)
EagleFan 2 - Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71)
Timmae 1 - Cheekimonk(62)
Cheekimonk 1 - Shoveler(63)
Path 1 - Timmae(65)
JAG 1 - Narcizo (87)
Fontisian 1 - EagleFan (96)
Autumn 1 - timmae (99)
Shoveler 1 - Autumn (103)
Jackal 1 - Grover (104)

No vote yet: Britrock, Chief Rum, Raven.

Narcizo 04-13-2015 08:00 AM

Well, on the plus side, there's a decent chance that a wolf is, at worst, one vote away from a tied lead.

Autumn 04-13-2015 08:03 AM

Oh I was thinking I hadn't seen Shoveler yet.

unvote shoveler
vote britrock88

Narcizo 04-13-2015 08:24 AM

I don't think we saw Shoveler did we? Just the cloud of dust as he droveby.

Zinto 04-13-2015 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3018576)
Zinto

If we vote No Lynch, does that option have to have the majority to take effect or does it need to be unanimous?



If the majority of players vote No Lynch it will take effect.

Zinto 04-13-2015 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3018612)
Ok, getting away from my meta. Autumn's post was a bit off, trying to poke fun maybe but seemed odd.

vote autumn



I will count this vote but make sure you Unvote before switching your vote

Zinto 04-13-2015 08:32 AM

Vote Count as of Post 110

Vaimes 1- The Jackal(77)
Britrock 1-JAG(59)
EagleFan 1-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71)
Timmae 1-Cheekimonk(62)
Cheekimonk 1-Shoveler(63)

JAG 1-Narcizo(87)
Fontisian 1-EagleFan(96)
Autumn 1-Timmae(99)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)
Britrock 1-Autumn(107)

Autumn 04-13-2015 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3018629)
I don't think we saw Shoveler did we? Just the cloud of dust as he droveby.


I just see that he voted. Might as well bug people who haven't yet first.

britrock88 04-13-2015 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3018561)
nothing will stand in my way


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3018562)
except, presumably, an army of little fighting creatures


I L'd-OL.

britrock88 04-13-2015 09:01 AM

(Buttface checking in.)

britrock88 04-13-2015 09:01 AM

Voting for a Jigglypuff hater hater...

vote Vaimes

britrock88 04-13-2015 09:02 AM

(I can already tell I'll be swamped at work today, so I'll be in and out.)

Autumn 04-13-2015 09:15 AM

It worked!

Grover 04-13-2015 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3018646)
It worked!


Clearly, you're on to something here.

britrock88 04-13-2015 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3018646)
It worked!


Shoot, I probably outed myself in the process. :p

EagleFan 04-13-2015 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3018609)
Is this just a case of "she's pissed me off so I'm voting her", or is that actually any reason to switch to her?


Want to crank the heat up a bit. She got oddly defensive after a vaimes vote and really defensive when that was mentioned. I know that tends to be her MO, but figured I would shake the tree to see what falls out.

Shoveler 04-13-2015 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3018629)
I don't think we saw Shoveler did we? Just the cloud of dust as he droveby.


I'll be around all day. Wanted to get a post in last night and I didn't get a chance to take a shot at Cheeki for the last game, so yeah my vote is not real serious. But at this point he isn't giving me any real reason to move it.

As for reads, font seems active and engaged like I would expect (drawing from my huge experience pool of 3 games), going with good on her. Narc feels similar to me, good engagement & unbiased contribution, will expect the usual vote analysis after day 1 to feel more confident.

Everyone else is a ? at this point. Not sure about the eagle vote for font. But from what I have seen previously he can be very unpredictable, so I'm not going to read much into that yet.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaimes (Post 3018578)
Speaking of this, I'm gonna go ahead and claim Martyr for wine. Town should ignore this claim because it does not affect them, and the scumteam should watch out for me in the Night.


I don't understand this post

The Jackal 04-13-2015 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grover (Post 3018620)
VOTE The Jackal

Because he's a Redskins fan. Who does that to themselves? Seriously.


HTTR

cheekimonk 04-13-2015 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoveler (Post 3018653)
I'll be around all day. Wanted to get a post in last night and I didn't get a chance to take a shot at Cheeki for the last game, so yeah my vote is not real serious. But at this point he isn't giving me any real reason to move it.


Yeah, but it was a good shot.

Grover 04-13-2015 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3018656)
HTTR


Hail to Dan Syder's wallet!

Maybe you just have a thing for teams with terrible GMs ;)

Grover 04-13-2015 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3018655)
I don't understand this post


Is he claiming to be the seer or the bodyguard?

Grover 04-13-2015 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaimes (Post 3018578)
Speaking of this, I'm gonna go ahead and claim Martyr for wine. Town should ignore this claim because it does not affect them, and the scumteam should watch out for me in the Night.


I would like more clarity on this.

Are you claiming a role here?

path12 04-13-2015 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3018520)
Because he was so ruthless as the true mastermind behind team evil last time out...


I have no idea what you are talking about.... ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3018574)
See? I read the rules this time. I think I've got it under control.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3018604)
The rule comment was for path, because he was laying into me last time I played as I messed up twice on a very simple ruleset and he said I must be a wolf because I would never show such a lack of attention to detail as a villager.


I caught the reference, but the fact that you felt the need to reassure me right off the bat from something two games ago feels suspicious!

Hi all. I've mentioned before my weeks are frontloaded but I'll be poking my head in as I'm able.

Raven 04-13-2015 10:08 AM

Checking in.

Just caught up on all current posts and will now go read the rules.

cheekimonk 04-13-2015 10:24 AM

Grover is a tad overtly curious below...

unvote timmae
vote Grover

Grover 04-13-2015 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekimonk (Post 3018670)
Grover is a tad overtly curious below...

unvote timmae
vote Grover


I was genuinely confused as hell by his post. I've tried sussing it out on my own, but I can't figure it out.

path12 04-13-2015 10:32 AM

BTW font, OOG but I didn't forget I owe you more detail on what I was talking about in that game. Just got distracted, sorry.

path12 04-13-2015 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekimonk (Post 3018670)
Grover is a tad overtly curious below...

unvote timmae
vote Grover


I think it is fair to have questions on what is either a true or fake reveal.

VOTE CHEEKIMONK

Chief Rum 04-13-2015 10:55 AM

Sup

Narcizo 04-13-2015 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3018674)
I think it is fair to have questions on what is either a true or fake reveal.

VOTE CHEEKIMONK


Not seeing much difference between it and claiming vanilla villager. Then again I've always been down on the vanilla "claims" as well, but I thought I was in a minority on that.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekimonk (Post 3018670)
Grover is a tad overtly curious below...

unvote timmae
vote Grover


Might as well vote for me since it was my question first.. Vaimes' post was confusing. Was it a reveal? It didn't make any sense to me.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 11:05 AM

If he was making a joke about revealing as the Martyr to entice a NK, that went over my head

fontisian 04-13-2015 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018652)
Want to crank the heat up a bit. She got oddly defensive after a vaimes vote and really defensive when that was mentioned. I know that tends to be her MO, but figured I would shake the tree to see what falls out.

Really. You thought these were defensive?
Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018564)
This random or serious?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018575)
It was the only vote that looked serious and was on my only townread.

My vote on you just became completely serious, by the way.

Vote EagleFan with more force!

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3018673)
BTW font, OOG but I didn't forget I owe you more detail on what I was talking about in that game. Just got distracted, sorry.

I figured you were busy. It's not a big deal.

Narcizo 04-13-2015 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3018682)
Not seeing much difference between it and claiming vanilla villager. Then again I've always been down on the vanilla "claims" as well, but I thought I was in a minority on that.


That said voting for someone for questioning it does seem a bit tenuous. But is it really something a wolf would do? I'd expect a wolf to be quietly hoping to use it against Vaimes, or more likely not say anything about it and let the village fight over it.

britrock88 04-13-2015 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3018655)
I don't understand this post


My read: "wine" = WIFOM = "wine in front of me." Basically, the (false) claim is an attempt to distract.

fontisian 04-13-2015 11:13 AM

But what if it isn't false? 0_0

britrock88 04-13-2015 11:14 AM

Vote Count as of Post 140

Vaimes 2-The Jackal(77), Britrock(115)
Britrock 1-JAG(59)
EagleFan 1-Vaimes(71), Fontisian (138)
Cheekimonk 2-Shoveler(63), Path (133)
JAG 1-Narcizo(87)
Fontisian 1-EagleFan(96)
Autumn 1-Timmae(99)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)
Britrock 1-Autumn(107)
Grover 1-Cheekimonk(130)

fontisian 04-13-2015 11:15 AM

Brit, I actually voted for EF in post 61.

britrock88 04-13-2015 11:15 AM

Found a couple derps (one was Zinto's! :D .)

Vote Count as of Post 140

Vaimes 2-The Jackal(77), Britrock(115)
Cheekimonk 2-Shoveler(63), Path (133)
EagleFan 2-Vaimes(71), Fontisian (138)
Britrock 2-JAG(59), Autumn (107)
JAG 1-Narcizo(87)
Fontisian 1-EagleFan(96)
Autumn 1-Timmae(99)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)
Grover 1-Cheekimonk(130)

britrock88 04-13-2015 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018694)
Brit, I actually voted for EF in post 61.


True, but didn't you just re-vote above?

path12 04-13-2015 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by britrock88 (Post 3018689)
My read: "wine" = WIFOM = "wine in front of me." Basically, the (false) claim is an attempt to distract.


That's how I read it as well, FWIW.

britrock88 04-13-2015 11:15 AM

(and LHLV doesn't really apply here, anyway, so it's less important than usual...)

fontisian 04-13-2015 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by britrock88 (Post 3018697)
True, but didn't you just re-vote above?

Is joke.

fontisian 04-13-2015 11:25 AM

Here's the actual case against EF.
1.
Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018499)
...and for no reason other than he was first to vote...

vote Vaimes

This is unusually wordy for an RVS vote and feels nervous.

2.
Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018573)
How "serious" can an early day one vote be?


The answer is completely serious, something he knows.

3.
Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018573)
Interesting, that is the only vote she asks about...

The use of the word "interesting" here, without followup as to what "interesting" means and what's so interesting about it, follows a fairly typical scum wording pattern.

It's also pointing out something that isn't a thing, because Jackal's vote was the only ambiguously early vote in regards to how seriously it was meant to be taken.

5. There's a weird mood switch between these two posts:
Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018607)
She amuses me...

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018652)
Want to crank the heat up a bit. She got oddly defensive after a vaimes vote and really defensive when that was mentioned. I know that tends to be her MO, but figured I would shake the tree to see what falls out.

Saying "she amuses me" cranks down the heat, if anything. It seems more like an attempt to discredit me and get me to back off than a legitimate expression of suspicion regarding my interactions with Jackal and Vaimes.

cheekimonk 04-13-2015 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3018674)
I think it is fair to have questions on what is either a true or fake reveal.

VOTE CHEEKIMONK


Fair enough. And good grief!

unvote Grover
vote fontisian


(I feel that's likely to change...)

fontisian 04-13-2015 11:36 AM

It's alright, Charlie Brown.

timmae 04-13-2015 12:09 PM

Just checking back in as I have a doctors apt this afternoon and then need to go buy a new laptop. I'll be checking in via smartphone... thankfully it's only D1. I'll definitely be back for a review prior to the 9pm CST lynch.

Vaimes 04-13-2015 12:16 PM

Like I said, if you're town, my claim is completely irrelevant to you.

Scumteam: I have trueclaimed a PR on Day 1 before, just so you all know.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaimes (Post 3018719)
Like I said, if you're town, my claim is completely irrelevant to you.

Scumteam: I have trueclaimed a PR on Day 1 before, just so you all know.


I think my confusion over Vaimes' post might just be down to nomenclature and commonspeak on other WW boards. Like, what does PR stand for?

I guess I just don't understand the benefit for a false claim as one of your first posts on D1. It came off to me more as being serious than a jokey early post. So, I guess you're trying to screw with the wolves and give them something to consider for a N1 kill (which are usually hard to base on in-thread posts and tend to gravitate towards vet players who could theoretically do the most damage if you're looking for a random seer hit). In that event, I guess I get it.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 12:48 PM

I'll never get used to "scum" as the term for wolves. They're wolves, damnit.

Zinto 04-13-2015 12:49 PM

Vote Count as of Post 110

Vaimes 2- The Jackal(77), Britrock(115)
Britrock 2-JAG(59), Autumn(107)
EagleFan 2-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71)
Cheekimonk 2-Shoveler(63), Path(133)
Fontisian 2-EagleFan(96), Cheekimonk(150)
JAG 1-Narcizo(87)
Autumn 1-Timmae(99)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

fontisian 04-13-2015 12:50 PM

Jackal: PR means power role, i.e. any role that isn't vanilla.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018729)
Jackal: PR means power role, i.e. any role that isn't vanilla.


Aha! Thanks. Maybe false claims are more prevalent elsewhere, but I don't recall seeing them very often here - that's what threw me off.

Autumn 04-13-2015 01:01 PM

Yeah, I think that's a move that's a shocker here, but just a culture clash thing.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 01:03 PM

unvote vaimes
vote cheekimonk

The Jackal 04-13-2015 01:05 PM

Partially because of his reaction towards Grover's question, partially for this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekimonk (Post 3018707)
unvote Grover
vote fontisian


(I feel that's likely to change...)


I've done it too, but pre-empting your vote by saying it's likely to change always feels too much like giving yourself loopholes for future explanation.

EagleFan 04-13-2015 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018694)
Brit, I actually voted for EF in post 61.


When will you get tired of being wrong? This will be the 3rd game in a row that all I see from you is EF is a wolf!!!! You'll be 0 for 3. I guess if you keep doing that long enough you'll eventually be right (and I bet with a "see I told you" reaction when that eventually happens). Kids today...

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3018726)
I'll never get used to "scum" as the term for wolves. They're wolves, damnit.


Amen bruthah!!!!


Now, as for the reveal from Vaimes, that serves no one any good. If you have a role that would hurt the wolves if they go after you, why tell them?

It looks like someone setting themselves up for an explanation of why they haven't been night killed later in the game.

fontisian 04-13-2015 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018739)
When will you get tired of being wrong? This will be the 3rd game in a row that all I see from you is EF is a wolf!!!! You'll be 0 for 3. I guess if you keep doing that long enough you'll eventually be right (and I bet with a "see I told you" reaction when that eventually happens). Kids today...

I thought you were town in the last two games? And I was scum three games ago and looking for mislynches?

What?

EagleFan 04-13-2015 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018741)
I thought you were town in the last two games? And I was scum three games ago and looking for mislynches?

What?


This is game number 3. BG two games ago and you came after me day one, luckily there wasn't anyone voting me (seems I had a carry over good will from running the previous game). Last game I was seer and you were leading the charge. Now this game. 0 for 3.

fontisian 04-13-2015 01:30 PM

Uh. No?

I never voted for you in either game. You were actually my strongest townread in Drenai.

EagleFan 04-13-2015 01:33 PM

A rash of false claims doesn't do the village any good. Have seen this happen in other forums and all it ever does it lead to more confusion for the village.

My favorite was a vanilla false claiming seer which led to the duke changing the vote and he ended up lynching the real seer on day one.

Narcizo 04-13-2015 01:38 PM

I'm kind of leaning towards Eagle being village.

I tend to agree about fake reveals. I think the risk is that discussion of roles might lead to a slip up by the actual power roles.

path12 04-13-2015 01:40 PM

I've no problems with the Vaimes true/false claim. Anything that makes it tougher for the wolves is fine by me. I also think it is good to get some new (for our site) strategies in play. I think it works better though with multiple claims.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 01:42 PM

It's my own fault for making it a talking point and thereby potentially being more distracting to the village than wolves, but I agree that it's been nice to get some different styles to mix shit up

EagleFan 04-13-2015 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018745)
Uh. No?

I never voted for you in either game. You were actually my strongest townread in Drenai.


My memory seems to be failing, sorry.

Raven 04-13-2015 01:44 PM

vote Autumn

Just to get a 6 way tie going.

fontisian 04-13-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018753)
My memory seems to be failing, sorry.

It's all good. I was just really confused by your reaction.

Keeping in mind that I did actually read you correctly in the last two games, what do you think of my case here?

The Jackal 04-13-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 3018754)
vote Autumn

Just to get a 6 way tie going.


I broke it up by putting cheeki on 3 votes

Narcizo 04-13-2015 01:45 PM

I'm guessing the wolves would have discussed Vaimes reveal and would have settled on what the martyr role does. Eagle's apparent intrepretation of the role doesn't fit with what the role means and I find that unlikely if its been discussed by the wolves.

EagleFan 04-13-2015 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018756)
It's all good. I was just really confused by your reaction.

Keeping in mind that I did actually read you correctly in the last two games, what do you think of my case here?


You read me correctly two games ago, we were both out early last game so no idea how you read me. As for your read this game, I know it is wrong.

The Jackal 04-13-2015 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3018758)
I'm guessing the wolves would have discussed Vaimes reveal and would have settled on what the martyr role does. Eagle's apparent intrepretation of the role doesn't fit with what the role means and I find that unlikely if its been discussed by the wolves.


Where are you seeing EF's "apparent interpretation of the role"?

Narcizo 04-13-2015 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 3018754)
vote Autumn

Just to get a 6 way tie going.


Can you say why you think a 6-way tie is a good thing at this stage, Raven?

Narcizo 04-13-2015 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3018761)
Where are you seeing EF's "apparent interpretation of the role"?


Here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018739)
If you have a role that would hurt the wolves if they go after you, why tell them?


cheekimonk 04-13-2015 01:53 PM

I thought his claim was a joke last night. Agree that the confusion only helps wolves...

unvote fontisian
vote Vaimes

The Jackal 04-13-2015 01:53 PM

Ahh

The Jackal 04-13-2015 01:55 PM

Certainly an interesting choice for a role name with that description, wonder if the confusion was intentional

britrock88 04-13-2015 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018746)
A rash of false claims doesn't do the village any good. Have seen this happen in other forums and all it ever does it lead to more confusion for the village.

My favorite was a vanilla false claiming seer which led to the duke changing the vote and he ended up lynching the real seer on day one.


I agree. It's one of the manifestations of "hero play" (almost always by villagers, FWIW) that often sets back the village as a whole. The pro-social play and the best play one can possibly make as an individual don't always line up.

britrock88 04-13-2015 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3018753)
My memory seems to be failing, sorry.


TBF, she was after you hard in your turn as seer, IIRC.

britrock88 04-13-2015 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 3018754)
vote Autumn

Just to get a 6 way tie going.


WOLFTELL! (lol)

fontisian 04-13-2015 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by britrock88 (Post 3018777)
TBF, she was after you hard in your turn as seer, IIRC.

?

When was this?

Narcizo 04-13-2015 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekimonk (Post 3018764)
I thought his claim was a joke last night. Agree that the confusion only helps wolves...

unvote fontisian
vote Vaimes


This is starting to smell of desperation. You seem to have gone 360 on the whole Vaimes thing in the space of a few hours. Going from voting someone for questioning Vaimes to voting for Vaimes.

Raven 04-13-2015 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3018762)
Can you say why you think a 6-way tie is a good thing at this stage, Raven?


Day 1 and still plenty of time to go. I want to see how things play out when votes start to shift.

cheekimonk 04-13-2015 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3018783)
This is starting to smell of desperation. You seem to have gone 360 on the whole Vaimes thing in the space of a few hours. Going from voting someone for questioning Vaimes to voting for Vaimes.


Seemed like too obviously questioning something I thought was an obvious joke. Vaimes hasn't helped clear up the confusion since then, however. I'm vanilla village...just trying to read something on D1.

fontisian 04-13-2015 02:15 PM

I think cheeki is town.

Chief Rum 04-13-2015 02:33 PM

I really don't like Vaimes' decision to reveal.

If he is still alive tomorrow, I'll vote for him unless a good candidate shows up. My presumption is the wolves will kill him tonight, because why keep a cleared villager around? Vaimes protecting himself does no good; he'll just die. And going for Vaimes means they won't have a situation where they go somewhere else, Vaimes protects that person and dies, and maybe the target gleans info on them from the kill attempt.

For now, since no one is countering on Vaimes, I will presume he is what he says he is, even if I don't like that he revealed.

If he is a wolf, I hope the actual Martyr is not revealing and dropping hints about Vaimes' wolfishness. It's quite possible this is just an attempt to draw out a reveal.

Zinto 04-13-2015 02:42 PM

Vote Count as of Post 190


Cheekimonk 3-Shoveler(63), Path(133), The Jackal(160)
Vaimes 2- Britrock(115), Cheekimonk(179)
Britrock 2-JAG(59), Autumn(107)
EagleFan 2-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71)
Autumn 2-Timmae(99), Raven(171)
Fontisian 1-EagleFan(96)
JAG 1-Narcizo(87)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

Narcizo 04-13-2015 02:50 PM

I've got to go and don't like the candidates at the moment. So I'm torn between layong my vote on one of the leading candidates or, well, not. I always try to vote for someone I reckon will be in the running. My only non-village read of those with more than one vote is Brit but I suspect Jag and Autumn will be moving. Actually Autumn could be a wolf, but I don't think the village benefits from getting rid of one of the more talkative people around on day one. Ah sod it!

unvote JAG
Vote britrock

path12 04-13-2015 02:58 PM

Y'know what? They might be moving but I got a weird vibe from Brit's first posts as well so:

UNVOTE CHEEKIMONK
VOTE BRITROCK88

Grover 04-13-2015 02:58 PM

I'm very torn on Vaimes right now.

If he's claiming immediately, that's either ballsy or stupid.

If he's claiming to throw the wolves off, I think that hurts us. Either he gets lynched tonight, because the wolves don't want to take a chance on him being truthful, or he survives and becomes a huge lynch target for us tomorrow.

I'm torn on him. I don't want to vote for him at this stage though.

path12 04-13-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover (Post 3018810)

If he's claiming immediately, that's either ballsy or stupid.


I don't think it is either, but it is an unfamiliar play here and as such I'm in favor as I've mentioned earlier.

Chief Rum 04-13-2015 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3018811)
I don't think it is either, but it is an unfamiliar play here and as such I'm in favor as I've mentioned earlier.


Unfamiliar to what gain? I can accept not knowing how we play here from a guy with experience playing different sorts of games elsewhere, but I am trying to understand the logic of it from Vaimes the Martyr's point of view.

I don't see the upside to this move.

I won't vote him right now because I don't want to lose one of our two villager roles if we lynch him when he's telling the truth, but I don't like to see nonsensical moves from players in key roles. That move works elsewhere? Great. Does that work here? Not so sure.

fontisian 04-13-2015 03:07 PM

Guys, the roleclaim is just wifom.

It's like me claiming a cop right now. Maybe I am the cop, but odds are I'm not, and me saying so really isn't a predictor of my actual role. Get it?

Shoveler 04-13-2015 03:20 PM

Path, what exactly caused you to move to brit so fast from his early posts?

I'll be honest I didn't like having my initial nonsense vote on cheeki helping put him in the lead, but you flipped right after narc for a reason I cant seem to identify.

Chief Rum 04-13-2015 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3018813)
Guys, the roleclaim is just wifom.

It's like me claiming a cop right now. Maybe I am the cop, but odds are I'm not, and me saying so really isn't a predictor of my actual role. Get it?


No, I don't get it. What is the strategic value for a villager to do this?

Is WIFOM purely a phrase that came into existence over at BGG? I don't even understand where that idiom comes from (other than the inference that you play the hand you're dealt, I guess).

path12 04-13-2015 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoveler (Post 3018823)
Path, what exactly caused you to move to brit so fast from his early posts?

I'll be honest I didn't like having my initial nonsense vote on cheeki helping put him in the lead, but you flipped right after narc for a reason I cant seem to identify.


I think Brit knows the move Vaimes made and pretended he didn't. I know that vote right after Narc raises eyebrows and as such is not something I'd usually do but I agree with Narc that the early votes on Brit have a possibility of moving and I wanted to at least place it somewhere that I feel decent on day 1 before the possibility was off the table.

Also I was planning on moving off Cheeki anyway because of later posts so it seemed like a good time.


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