"trying" to poke fun? Man, pour some salt on it why don't you. Also *poke* fun, I get it!

TMI

Having woke Narc up I will vote my former co-mod in an attempt to rouse him from his pokeslumber.

unvote narcizo
vote shoveler

VOTE The Jackal

Because he's a Redskins fan. Who does that to themselves? Seriously.

As of whatever the hell the time is over there - 08:57?

Vaimes 1 - Jackal(77)
Britrock 1-JAG(59)
EagleFan 2 - Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71)
Timmae 1 - Cheekimonk(62)
Cheekimonk 1 - Shoveler(63)
Path 1 - Timmae(65)
JAG 1 - Narcizo (87)
Fontisian 1 - EagleFan (96)
Autumn 1 - timmae (99)
Shoveler 1 - Autumn (103)
Jackal 1 - Grover (104)

No vote yet: Britrock, Chief Rum, Raven.

Well, on the plus side, there's a decent chance that a wolf is, at worst, one vote away from a tied lead.

Oh I was thinking I hadn't seen Shoveler yet.

unvote shoveler
vote britrock88

I don't think we saw Shoveler did we? Just the cloud of dust as he droveby.

If the majority of players vote No Lynch it will take effect.

I will count this vote but make sure you Unvote before switching your vote

Vote Count as of Post 110

Vaimes 1- The Jackal(77)
Britrock 1-JAG(59)
EagleFan 1-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71)
Timmae 1-Cheekimonk(62)
Cheekimonk 1-Shoveler(63)
JAG 1-Narcizo(87)
Fontisian 1-EagleFan(96)
Autumn 1-Timmae(99)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)
Britrock 1-Autumn(107)

I just see that he voted. Might as well bug people who haven't yet first.

I L'd-OL.

(Buttface checking in.)

Voting for a Jigglypuff hater hater...

vote Vaimes

(I can already tell I'll be swamped at work today, so I'll be in and out.)

It worked!

Clearly, you're on to something here.

Shoot, I probably outed myself in the process. :p

Want to crank the heat up a bit. She got oddly defensive after a vaimes vote and really defensive when that was mentioned. I know that tends to be her MO, but figured I would shake the tree to see what falls out.

I'll be around all day. Wanted to get a post in last night and I didn't get a chance to take a shot at Cheeki for the last game, so yeah my vote is not real serious. But at this point he isn't giving me any real reason to move it.

As for reads, font seems active and engaged like I would expect (drawing from my huge experience pool of 3 games), going with good on her. Narc feels similar to me, good engagement & unbiased contribution, will expect the usual vote analysis after day 1 to feel more confident.

Everyone else is a ? at this point. Not sure about the eagle vote for font. But from what I have seen previously he can be very unpredictable, so I'm not going to read much into that yet.

I don't understand this post

HTTR

Yeah, but it was a good shot.

Hail to Dan Syder's wallet!

Maybe you just have a thing for teams with terrible GMs ;)

Is he claiming to be the seer or the bodyguard?

I would like more clarity on this.

Are you claiming a role here?

I have no idea what you are talking about.... ;)



I caught the reference, but the fact that you felt the need to reassure me right off the bat from something two games ago feels suspicious!

Hi all. I've mentioned before my weeks are frontloaded but I'll be poking my head in as I'm able.

Checking in.

Just caught up on all current posts and will now go read the rules.

Grover is a tad overtly curious below...

unvote timmae
vote Grover

I was genuinely confused as hell by his post. I've tried sussing it out on my own, but I can't figure it out.

BTW font, OOG but I didn't forget I owe you more detail on what I was talking about in that game. Just got distracted, sorry.

I think it is fair to have questions on what is either a true or fake reveal.

VOTE CHEEKIMONK

Sup

Not seeing much difference between it and claiming vanilla villager. Then again I've always been down on the vanilla "claims" as well, but I thought I was in a minority on that.

Might as well vote for me since it was my question first.. Vaimes' post was confusing. Was it a reveal? It didn't make any sense to me.

If he was making a joke about revealing as the Martyr to entice a NK, that went over my head

Really. You thought these were defensive?
Vote EagleFan with more force!

I figured you were busy. It's not a big deal.

That said voting for someone for questioning it does seem a bit tenuous. But is it really something a wolf would do? I'd expect a wolf to be quietly hoping to use it against Vaimes, or more likely not say anything about it and let the village fight over it.

My read: "wine" = WIFOM = "wine in front of me." Basically, the (false) claim is an attempt to distract.

But what if it isn't false? 0_0

Vote Count as of Post 140

Vaimes 2-The Jackal(77), Britrock(115)
Britrock 1-JAG(59)
EagleFan 1-Vaimes(71), Fontisian (138)
Cheekimonk 2-Shoveler(63), Path (133)
JAG 1-Narcizo(87)
Fontisian 1-EagleFan(96)
Autumn 1-Timmae(99)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)
Britrock 1-Autumn(107)
Grover 1-Cheekimonk(130)

Brit, I actually voted for EF in post 61.

Found a couple derps (one was Zinto's! :D .)

Vote Count as of Post 140

Vaimes 2-The Jackal(77), Britrock(115)
Cheekimonk 2-Shoveler(63), Path (133)
EagleFan 2-Vaimes(71), Fontisian (138)
Britrock 2-JAG(59), Autumn (107)
JAG 1-Narcizo(87)
Fontisian 1-EagleFan(96)
Autumn 1-Timmae(99)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)
Grover 1-Cheekimonk(130)

True, but didn't you just re-vote above?

That's how I read it as well, FWIW.

(and LHLV doesn't really apply here, anyway, so it's less important than usual...)

Is joke.

Here's the actual case against EF.
1. This is unusually wordy for an RVS vote and feels nervous.

2.
The answer is completely serious, something he knows.

3. The use of the word "interesting" here, without followup as to what "interesting" means and what's so interesting about it, follows a fairly typical scum wording pattern.

It's also pointing out something that isn't a thing, because Jackal's vote was the only ambiguously early vote in regards to how seriously it was meant to be taken.

5. There's a weird mood switch between these two posts:
Saying "she amuses me" cranks down the heat, if anything. It seems more like an attempt to discredit me and get me to back off than a legitimate expression of suspicion regarding my interactions with Jackal and Vaimes.

Fair enough. And good grief!

unvote Grover
vote fontisian

(I feel that's likely to change...)

It's alright, Charlie Brown.

Just checking back in as I have a doctors apt this afternoon and then need to go buy a new laptop. I'll be checking in via smartphone... thankfully it's only D1. I'll definitely be back for a review prior to the 9pm CST lynch.

Like I said, if you're town, my claim is completely irrelevant to you.

Scumteam: I have trueclaimed a PR on Day 1 before, just so you all know.

I think my confusion over Vaimes' post might just be down to nomenclature and commonspeak on other WW boards. Like, what does PR stand for?

I guess I just don't understand the benefit for a false claim as one of your first posts on D1. It came off to me more as being serious than a jokey early post. So, I guess you're trying to screw with the wolves and give them something to consider for a N1 kill (which are usually hard to base on in-thread posts and tend to gravitate towards vet players who could theoretically do the most damage if you're looking for a random seer hit). In that event, I guess I get it.

I'll never get used to "scum" as the term for wolves. They're wolves, damnit.

Jackal: PR means power role, i.e. any role that isn't vanilla.

Aha! Thanks. Maybe false claims are more prevalent elsewhere, but I don't recall seeing them very often here - that's what threw me off.

Yeah, I think that's a move that's a shocker here, but just a culture clash thing.

Partially because of his reaction towards Grover's question, partially for this:


I've done it too, but pre-empting your vote by saying it's likely to change always feels too much like giving yourself loopholes for future explanation.

When will you get tired of being wrong? This will be the 3rd game in a row that all I see from you is EF is a wolf!!!! You'll be 0 for 3. I guess if you keep doing that long enough you'll eventually be right (and I bet with a "see I told you" reaction when that eventually happens). Kids today...


Amen bruthah!!!!


Now, as for the reveal from Vaimes, that serves no one any good. If you have a role that would hurt the wolves if they go after you, why tell them?

It looks like someone setting themselves up for an explanation of why they haven't been night killed later in the game.

I thought you were town in the last two games? And I was scum three games ago and looking for mislynches?

What?

This is game number 3. BG two games ago and you came after me day one, luckily there wasn't anyone voting me (seems I had a carry over good will from running the previous game). Last game I was seer and you were leading the charge. Now this game. 0 for 3.

Uh. No?

I never voted for you in either game. You were actually my strongest townread in Drenai.

A rash of false claims doesn't do the village any good. Have seen this happen in other forums and all it ever does it lead to more confusion for the village.

My favorite was a vanilla false claiming seer which led to the duke changing the vote and he ended up lynching the real seer on day one.

I'm kind of leaning towards Eagle being village.

I tend to agree about fake reveals. I think the risk is that discussion of roles might lead to a slip up by the actual power roles.

I've no problems with the Vaimes true/false claim. Anything that makes it tougher for the wolves is fine by me. I also think it is good to get some new (for our site) strategies in play. I think it works better though with multiple claims.

It's my own fault for making it a talking point and thereby potentially being more distracting to the village than wolves, but I agree that it's been nice to get some different styles to mix shit up

My memory seems to be failing, sorry.

vote Autumn

Just to get a 6 way tie going.

It's all good. I was just really confused by your reaction.

Keeping in mind that I did actually read you correctly in the last two games, what do you think of my case here?

I broke it up by putting cheeki on 3 votes

I'm guessing the wolves would have discussed Vaimes reveal and would have settled on what the martyr role does. Eagle's apparent intrepretation of the role doesn't fit with what the role means and I find that unlikely if its been discussed by the wolves.

You read me correctly two games ago, we were both out early last game so no idea how you read me. As for your read this game, I know it is wrong.

Where are you seeing EF's "apparent interpretation of the role"?

Can you say why you think a 6-way tie is a good thing at this stage, Raven?

Here.

I thought his claim was a joke last night. Agree that the confusion only helps wolves...

unvote fontisian
vote Vaimes

Ahh

Certainly an interesting choice for a role name with that description, wonder if the confusion was intentional

I agree. It's one of the manifestations of "hero play" (almost always by villagers, FWIW) that often sets back the village as a whole. The pro-social play and the best play one can possibly make as an individual don't always line up.

TBF, she was after you hard in your turn as seer, IIRC.

WOLFTELL! (lol)

?

When was this?

This is starting to smell of desperation. You seem to have gone 360 on the whole Vaimes thing in the space of a few hours. Going from voting someone for questioning Vaimes to voting for Vaimes.

Day 1 and still plenty of time to go. I want to see how things play out when votes start to shift.

Seemed like too obviously questioning something I thought was an obvious joke. Vaimes hasn't helped clear up the confusion since then, however. I'm vanilla village...just trying to read something on D1.

I think cheeki is town.

I really don't like Vaimes' decision to reveal.

If he is still alive tomorrow, I'll vote for him unless a good candidate shows up. My presumption is the wolves will kill him tonight, because why keep a cleared villager around? Vaimes protecting himself does no good; he'll just die. And going for Vaimes means they won't have a situation where they go somewhere else, Vaimes protects that person and dies, and maybe the target gleans info on them from the kill attempt.

For now, since no one is countering on Vaimes, I will presume he is what he says he is, even if I don't like that he revealed.

If he is a wolf, I hope the actual Martyr is not revealing and dropping hints about Vaimes' wolfishness. It's quite possible this is just an attempt to draw out a reveal.

I've got to go and don't like the candidates at the moment. So I'm torn between layong my vote on one of the leading candidates or, well, not. I always try to vote for someone I reckon will be in the running. My only non-village read of those with more than one vote is Brit but I suspect Jag and Autumn will be moving. Actually Autumn could be a wolf, but I don't think the village benefits from getting rid of one of the more talkative people around on day one. Ah sod it!

unvote JAG
Vote britrock

Y'know what? They might be moving but I got a weird vibe from Brit's first posts as well so:

UNVOTE CHEEKIMONK
VOTE BRITROCK88

I'm very torn on Vaimes right now.

If he's claiming immediately, that's either ballsy or stupid.

If he's claiming to throw the wolves off, I think that hurts us. Either he gets lynched tonight, because the wolves don't want to take a chance on him being truthful, or he survives and becomes a huge lynch target for us tomorrow.

I'm torn on him. I don't want to vote for him at this stage though.

I don't think it is either, but it is an unfamiliar play here and as such I'm in favor as I've mentioned earlier.

Unfamiliar to what gain? I can accept not knowing how we play here from a guy with experience playing different sorts of games elsewhere, but I am trying to understand the logic of it from Vaimes the Martyr's point of view.

I don't see the upside to this move.

I won't vote him right now because I don't want to lose one of our two villager roles if we lynch him when he's telling the truth, but I don't like to see nonsensical moves from players in key roles. That move works elsewhere? Great. Does that work here? Not so sure.

Guys, the roleclaim is just wifom.

It's like me claiming a cop right now. Maybe I am the cop, but odds are I'm not, and me saying so really isn't a predictor of my actual role. Get it?

Path, what exactly caused you to move to brit so fast from his early posts?

I'll be honest I didn't like having my initial nonsense vote on cheeki helping put him in the lead, but you flipped right after narc for a reason I cant seem to identify.

No, I don't get it. What is the strategic value for a villager to do this?

Is WIFOM purely a phrase that came into existence over at BGG? I don't even understand where that idiom comes from (other than the inference that you play the hand you're dealt, I guess).

I think Brit knows the move Vaimes made and pretended he didn't. I know that vote right after Narc raises eyebrows and as such is not something I'd usually do but I agree with Narc that the early votes on Brit have a possibility of moving and I wanted to at least place it somewhere that I feel decent on day 1 before the possibility was off the table.

Also I was planning on moving off Cheeki anyway because of later posts so it seemed like a good time.