I guess my post didn't post...

I'll join in for this one.

I should have enough down time at work next week to keep tabs on things.

Hoops, I can ask my wife if she would like to play. This would be her first game and she probably wouldn't be terribly active, but if that isn't a problem, she might be interested.

On second thought, it's probably not a good idea as I will be inclined to want to help her on her first game and wouldn't be able to. Her first game should probably be one where I don't play I would think.

Danny's wife is just another way for danny to have multiple roles.

Don't believe his lies. He is the one. Kill him.

She was blond when she was a little girl (I'm not a stalker, just remember Are you Afraid of the Dark and that show she was on in Canada), I'm pretty sure, and I doubt she's been dying her hair that long. Maybe it slowly changed to a darker color over the years.

I'll play.

Welcome aboard, Telle.

Danny, your wife is more than welcome to play but obviously no coaching allowed if you are both participants.

I've got a hellish work week ahead of me with top bosses in town and my immediate boss not. So I'd be lucky to check more than twice a day for at least Tue/Wed/Thurs.

So my question is -- hoops, is that level of activity enough for the game you've designed? If so, put me down. If not I'll have to pass.

Path - I hope that this game will support both active and passive styles of play well. A player should certainly be able to take their actions with a couple of check-ins per day.

But there 4 PMs/day will give an option for additional interaction outside of the thread. That may not be as fun if there is not time to read/respond to the PMs in a somewhat timely fashion.

I don't think this game is going to be quite as post-heavy as the Marvel games, partly because of the PMs outside of the thread and partly because we don't have 30+ players.

Bottom line - I think it would be more fun to play with more time to spend in thread, sending PMs, etc. But I also think that someone can be pretty effective without having to invest a mountain of time in this game.

King, missed this earlier this morning - welcome back!

This thread needs another post from me.

I would imagine that we are pretty close to having sign-ups completed.

The plan, as of right now, would be to randomly generate roles on Sunday evening, probably sometime after 8PM (CST) and then send out roles.

The game will start with a Night 0. Only a couple of roles would have actions during that period of time. No voting will take place at that point and PMs (the 4 every player gets to send) should not be sent then either. If there are questions about what can or cannot be done please check with the moderators.

Night 0 will run through Monday, up until somewhere around 9 PM (CST). At that point we will begin Day 1. All timed actions are eligible to be initiated at that point in time and the 4 PM rule is in play at that point.

USE ABILITY DESTROY MODERATOR!! I WIN

Fail.

I can't believe Plutonium would stoop to cheating. Hoops made it very clear that his role could not post. Cheating is always regrettable.

But I already destroyed you, so you can't enforce that rule now!

I don't like your tone with our moderator. He's working hard to put together all these roles and you should show some respect

I'll go for it then with the caveat that I won't have a lot of access those first few days. Dammit hoops, you drag me back in! ;)

It is what I do, Path :) Hope you have fun while being dragged.

Obligatory post.

Seriously Poli WTF aren't you playing?

Generating roles now - if anyone is going to want to be a last-minute addition to the game I would suggest posting sooner rather than later.

Ok, hoopsguy enticed me into joining my first werewolf game. Sign me up.

Unless I was playing the role of Plutonium or The Clock, there's about no way I could keep up with my current schedule of events.

If you insist...

You are the clock. As the clock your role is to post menacing/ominous beeps/ticks during the game. This should be done to provide extra tension and/or allow for commercial breaks.

Awesome, welcome ISiddiqui. I think my impression from you in the regular forums tells me you have the mentality and thoughtful approach to be very good at this if you want to be. Good luck and have fun.

That makes 23, come one we need one more! Poli? EagleFan? Let's go guys!

Nice to see you sign up, man!

Still only have 22, Isidd was already signed up on the list.

Ah, then we need both EF and Poli.

Given the fact that there is no set deadline, I'm in for this one.

Since it looks like you are still looking for players I'll jump back in. I can't promise a regular schedule for being online though. As long as that is okay I will give it a shot then.

Sounds great, welcome aboard to both of you guys.

Now it is time for BK and I to do some re-juggling :) 24 probably plays out a little differently than 22.

Sounds fine, now get me my PM! Having 24 players seems appropriate.

Roles are being sent now. Please no posting in those roles until all roles have been sent. At that point we'll be officially in Night 0.

We'll see how these mechanics go, but right now we have 24 players. My best guess based on prior hoops games is a breakdown something along the lines of 5 conspiracy, 2 neutral and 17 government. I think the number of neutral roles probably has an effect on whether the 5th conspirator is a convert or not. I will be looking at the voting mechanic sometime tonight as well to throw some guesstimates regarding that.

Just checking in for the evening, pretty exhausted so I'll see you folks tomorrow

So we know the following right now

23:00-23:59 = 40%

For now I will throw in guesstimates how the rest might go and then we can add in the lynch information as we gain it.

26:00-26:59
25:00-25:59 = 20%
24:00-24:59 = 30%
23:00-23:59 = 40%
20:00-22:59 = 50%
15:00-19:59 = 60%
10:00-14:59 = 70%
5:00-9:59 = 80%
1:00-4:59 = 90%
0:00-1:00 = 100%

I feel pretty good that the percentage will drop quickly after 24 hours expire as I'm sure Hoops wants to average a player lynched per day and now drop out a lynch very long. The rest is just guesses, but as lynched occur we should able to come up with a more accurate chart.

Without regards to the speculation, I will point out that hoops and I did this together. All decisions were reached on a mutual basis. While hoops has been more prominent in the thread we've both been busy behind the scenes. In other words :P

Well, you both are excellent GM's, so my comment stands that a logical ratio along those lines would seem likely. But, I will be sure to both applaud and chastise you both together in future posts :).

The rest of the mechanics are pretty straightforwardm with the surprise of player's abilities thrown in of course.

A certain signature may help me determine my day one vote.... :)

Got my role, and I'm saying hi!!! GEtting this out of the way - Tomorrow, I will be around in mid-afternoon, and hopefully deadline, and then on Tuesday I work, so I won't be around until 6 p.m. EST.

By the way, I am Audrey Raines
. I'll tell you my ability if you guys think it's prudent. I hope I have big boobs. I haven't googled me yet.

Dang. Nope. And I'm unattractive in a substitute teacher kind of way. :(

Welcome to your first game, ISiddiqui :)

Just checking in to say I have my role. As I told Hoopsguy, I have a huge work project that is likely going to tie me up much more during the day than normal for the next few weeks. So I likely won't be my normal chatty self.

checking in!

That reminds me - post #3 is updated.

haha...bring it on! I HAVE THE SPECIAL POWER OF NEVER NEEDING TO PAUSE TO USE THE RESTROOM!!!!

I think that Depends.

Just back from fireworks, hardly been in the house all weekend. Things should be back to normal this week though so I'll be checking in more tomorrow.

Hey guys, I'm in but just a reminder I'll be driving up from Myrtle Beach to Chicago the next couple days but will be able to check in some.

Just got back into town. Welcome to werewolf ISiddiqui, I'm working on game #2 currently. I'm glad to be on the side of the village this go-around.

And greetings Mr. Bauer / DT. I hope I can be of some assistance in taking down The Conspiracy.

Checking in as a good guy....has anyone ever checked in as wolf? Yet it seems we make a big deal out of how people check in.

nah. the checking in thing is really overblown 99.999999% of the time.

I can very much support this from my own experience as co-GM with him.

I think if someone checked in as a wolf they would probably get D1 lynched.

It seems like Day 1 lynches are usually on presuppositions of players.

To a point and there are usually certain players who are more likely to get day one votes than others. Plus, even the slightest slip up or suspicious post tends to be overblown or capitalized on by the wolves on day 1 as there really is nothing else to go on.

I would be willing drop some money on me doubling the number of posts of other players while I am alive. Those who usually can keep pace with me have a lack of availability or are GMing. It would be appreciated if some of you make as many filler posts as possible, so I don't feel too bad about the high number of posts.

Jack Bauer is going to bed.

I've never seen the show, but Jack Bauer doesn't sleep, does he?

I don't know who my person is, since I don't watch the show. I must wiki them to find out more tommorrow.

I have received my role. I might reveal it, but I don't know yet that we have established the wisdom of that yet, so I'll wait for more discussion on this tomorrow.

Plus, for all we know, the wolves might have actions here during the night phase (as is common). I'm not sure it's such a good idea to offer up free information for them to possibly use, although I assume (hope?) they wouldn't have a Night 0 kill option.

Speaking of nightkills, any guesses from anyone as to how those might work, with the lynches pretty much happening who knows when? Is it as simple as they just send in a conditional, and if the lynch happens, nightkill immediately follows? I suppose this is possible, but my guess, given what I know of the mods' games in the past, is that it won't be that simple.

I think we should have serious discussions as to how (and perhaps whether) we should use the PM options available to us. Is there a clear way we can take advantage of this? Establish some level of trust with a player, and feed them role information perhaps? Not sure how to work that yet. Could get messy.

BTW, just had a thought, the rules say something about the wolves knowing a couple roles not in the game. But there are, what 31-32 roles in the rules and 24 players? If we all role reveal, we expand the wolves ability to "fake role reveal" another 4-5 roles, wouldn't we?

Okay, I have said my piece. Gonna have to take posts where they come, because we're busy as hell at my job, and it's going to be hard for me to even follow along during the days, much less post. I will try to check in a couple times per day during the workday, but it may be hard. I'll try to make up for it with massive nighttime posting. ;)

I am not sure how the wolf kills will work, but I assume it has to be similar to many 24-hour clock games where the lynch and the wolf-kill get posted at the same time. Otherwise it gets messy allowing people to vote and then be killed routinely as a way to effect the vote. Either way, not something we should bank any kind of strategy on until we see how it works the first few days.


I just assume that it is like many games where everyone has an individual role. Because some people familiar with the show know which characters are pre-disposed to evil, the wolves are simply given enough cover roles to protect themselves. So if any of them need to do a role-reveal for some reason.. they say they are someone on the list that they received of roles not in the game. This way mass role reveals don't do anything to help clear anyone other than the fact that if two people claim the same person you know there are issues.

Going to 'rule-dive' for a sec here.


Depending on how many wolves there are, it's possible the number of characters they know are not in the game is less than their total number. Because the list of powers is unpublished, I don't think it would be a difficult matter to make up a convincing story based on their role, especially with the following mechanic:


So there's every possibility that a character like Kim Bauer who was always on the side of good on the show has decided she is bitter towards the government for what they've turned Jack into and has joined the Conspiracy to enact revenge. Anyway, this is all to say I think there's little reason for everyone to role reveal and that it would be more useful on a case-by-case basis when there's a good reason to do so.


I haven't played many games of Werewolf, but I don't know that there's been a game where all villagers have had PM abilities. What kinds of things do people typically do when they have PM abilities like a lover role in previous games? Possibly it could be used to coordinate votes behind the scenes? (although that could be obvious to wolves when you look back at voting) Regarding feeding role information, there's obviously a danger that the person on the other end could be a wolf and you'd be providing them or potentially a neutral party with that information. In general I would be wary of PMing people that aren't fully cleared like Jack unless there might be a reason (based on your role?)

There are definite uses for both sides regarding the PM ability although on day 1 it might be limited.

checking in...if we can keep the posts below 200 by noon (yes danny, i am talking to you), i should be able to keep up from work

I actually just now read the rules. I guess we all get to send 4 Pms each day, I'll likely send two of mine initially this morning, and save my last two as response PMs if needed.

Also I was going to get a vote in just to make sure I don't miss it since I don't know when I'll be able to check in during the day. However the rule about Vote % needed has me hesitant to do so. Since I guess there is no specific deadline for lynch, I guess there could be an early lynch in the day if enough votes go one way or another. So I'll just wait and hope I get back. I also now understand what Chief meant about not knowing how the wolf kill works. With no deadline, I guess that does make that something interesting to watch for.

I don't think we're allowed to send PMs yet.

Can you expand on what you're thinking here? Chief Rum and I have thrown out our thoughts, we have one brand new player and myself working on game #2, and even some experienced players may not be able to conceive of what you're thinking that might be helpful for those in the government to know, so long as it won't be overly helpful for the conspiracy to see your thoughts laid out.

For those that watch the show...does anyone doubt that Jack has 'enhanced interrogation techniques' as a power? :)

Oh sure visit Myrtle Beach, but don't stop in and say hi to me. Guess I gotta vote for you now. :D Hope you had a good time while you were here.

Just checking in here-will be somewhat busy today so may not post a lot till later.

Didn't even realize it Thomkal! My parents have a place here that we will be frequenting a couple times a year, we will definitely have to try to get together next time.

Hi guys. Obligatory Monday morning check-in post.

Didn't bulletsponge always check in as a wolf? I know he did more than once. It probably didn't have any correlation to his wolfiness, but everyone would go crazy chatting about it, anyway.

Anyway, I still need to read the rules.

Out of character!! :mad:

i'm expecting a lot of PM's when you all are able to send PM's...will clear out my inbox

Good morning everyone. Just checking in.

I'm not sure I agree on the top half of your table, Danny. My hunch would be that if no one gets 40% of the vote, we've got no lynch for the day.

Question: What happens if two players have 40% of the vote when the clock ticks 23:00?

Mass reveal is going to be worse than useless in this game, because the abilities a role has aren't likely to be completely uncoordinated to the character. I'd rather not narrow down their seer candidate list any.

My guess would be that it doesn't go lower than 40%, and after 23 hours as soon as someone gets to 40% they die.

Ties are unlikely. As soon as someone meets the minimum % needed for that time period they are lynched. The only way for a tie to happen is if they enter a time period tied with the minimum % needed. In that case the lynch will occur as soon as the tie is broken.

busy day at work today...will likely be fairly quiet

Checking in this morning. Got my role and ready to roll.

So...DT is Jack? So we can put him in the CoT....I think the CoT knowing roles would be good at somepoint. Then they can discuss who else should be in the CoT based on reveals?

But it will be hard because characters dont have said powers. That being so, two people could reveal different but both say they have the same power...Do you think there are more than one Seer, BG....Etc...

Well, my expectation to get right to work this morning turned into mowing the lawn and constructing a lemonade stand. I'm now caught up though, I think.

I don't see that mass role reveals would help at all. The names don't tell us anything about their allegiance. I think the roles will really just work behind the scenes and we have to hope people make good use of their abilities.

The voting mechanic is what has me wondering. I'd be wary of putting out an early vote as the wolves could turn it into a quick lynch. But the mechanic would allow us to have a denser voting record than normal if we turn lynches around quickly, which after the last few games sounds great. I miss solid voting records to look at.

My guess is that there are multiple roles with variations on the standards. So there might be two or more seer type powers with different limitations or nuances.

Bulletsponge tried that a couple of times. I think he was a day 1 lynch both times so it's a low percentage move.

I am checking in as well. Though that seems obvious.

based upon my own role description, it would make sense to me that the abilities are at least nebulously related to the characters, but since the alliegences are not related to the characters, a mass role reveal doesnt really do anything for us.

So are we allowed to send PMs yet or is that not until tonight at 9?

no...we cant do anything yet.