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lordscarlet 05-12-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019096)
i have no idea what i'm going to pick yet. i haven't even started to think about making a list of my top overall, let alone by category - i just said i was in earlier today...didn't know that we were going to get things going in the middle of the day


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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019108)
ok - i just sent my top-pick to larry (well top pick and then a backup). if they're BOTH gone then you'll just have to wait


I wouldn't worry too much about it -- this thing rolled really fast. Besides, people get upset with 3 or 4 hour waits, not 2.

Lathum 05-12-2009 04:39 PM

Had Adam Smith on my short list, would have taken him for sure had he fell.

Lathum 05-12-2009 04:39 PM

dola- Red Baron as well

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2019102)
And everyone's economic pick vanishes.

Thanks. I have to say I felt strongly about this pick because
A. I think he's a clear #1 in his field and am not concerned about finding either a military or political leader (especially political), which is what the early picks were.
B. By picking him I also knock-out one of the next best alternatives, Keynes. Since I'm safe with my economist pick, I'm going to say that I think the no duplicate country rule is going to lead to some people having some might weak economists.

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2019120)
1.7 - Jesus Christ - Religious Leader - Israel - Pre-20th

This is an absolutely wonderful pick. I can't believe he made it to 1.7. Great job CW. Again a clear #1 in his field.

Noop 05-12-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019147)
Thanks. I have to say I felt strongly about this pick because
A. I think he's a clear #1 in his field and am not concerned about finding either a military or political leader (especially political), which is what the early picks were.
B. By picking him I also knock-out one of the next best alternatives, Keynes. Since I'm safe with my economist pick, I'm going to say that I think the no duplicate country rule is going to lead to some people having some might weak economists.


I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop (Post 2019151)
I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?


I beleive it is one country per category. I choose Greece for Alexander ot block Leonidas as a military leader later as a pick, for example. But other Greeks could be chosen easily

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019148)
This is an absolutely wonderful pick. I can't believe he made it to 1.7. Great job CW. Again a clear #1 in his field.



This is a controversial pick. I actually believe Jesus is the Son of God, so I would not have picked him. You can compare the value of One person to Another in society, but it is sort of unfair to judge Julius Caesar or Adam Smith to the actual Son of God.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop (Post 2019151)
I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?


You can pick anyone from Israel in any category but religious leader.

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2019156)
You can pick anyone from Israel in any category but religious leader.

Right. I was just noting that John Meynard Keynes is a strong economist pick, but is off the board as he, like Smith, is British.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 05:09 PM

The problem with these drafts is that once you get out of the first round, perhaps first two rounds, you never know if the picks you think are the top on the board will go early, middle or late.

Lathum 05-12-2009 05:13 PM

I guess DT couldn't be bothered to send a list

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 05:15 PM

I haven't, but I check in every 20 mins to hour

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 05:15 PM

He sent one. Checking it now.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 05:16 PM

DT picks:

1.8 - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, Post-20th Century

Noop 05-12-2009 05:17 PM

Well I wish I had known(read) that earlier because it certainly would have changed my pick.

Restrictions on picks-

1) A country may only be used once per category.
2) Half of a participants picks must be pre-20th century, and the other half post-20th century.


That seems a little vague to me.

sabotai 05-12-2009 05:28 PM

Technically, Israel shouldn't be eliminated (It didn't exist when Jesus lived).

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai (Post 2019178)
Technically, Israel shouldn't be eliminated (It didn't exist when Jesus lived).


Right, but we already clarified that. We're going by modern countries, even if it didn't exist at the time the person was alive.

Sorry about the confusion, Noop.

Izulde 05-12-2009 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2019170)
DT picks:

1.8 - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, Post-20th Century


I didn't understand that only one country per category rule applied across the board. That makes this pick even better, because it takes out the whole black American and women's civil rights movement out in one go.

Lathum 05-12-2009 05:44 PM

wish he hadn't, wanted that one

ntndeacon 05-12-2009 05:46 PM

1.9 Horatio Nelson-Navy Chief, Great Britain-pre 20th century

Izulde 05-12-2009 05:54 PM

Grrr! I hate you ntn. That was my second round pick. :mad:

ntndeacon 05-12-2009 05:57 PM

maybe i can steal your new 2nd round pick as well.

sabotai 05-12-2009 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2019180)
Right, but we already clarified that. We're going by modern countries, even if it didn't exist at the time the person was alive.


Sorry, missed that.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 06:04 PM

The draft is falling largely how I expect so far. Except for Saudi Arabia's oilfields and Adam Smith this early.

Groundhog 05-12-2009 06:23 PM

I'm personally very surprised that the Army Chief I'd consider far and away the #1 is still yet to be nabbed after two selections in that category.

Galaril 05-12-2009 06:27 PM

Who is on the clock? Danny?

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2019184)
I didn't understand that only one country per category rule applied across the board. That makes this pick even better, because it takes out the whole black American and women's civil rights movement out in one go.


exactly my plan! :D

hehehe

Izulde 05-12-2009 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2019206)
Who is on the clock? Danny?


Yep.

Izulde 05-12-2009 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019208)
exactly my plan! :D

hehehe


And you're a right evil bastard for it too. :P

Galaril 05-12-2009 06:43 PM

BTW How many rounds is this and what happens once we have made all of our selections? I have not done a draft event here until now.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2019216)
BTW How many rounds is this and what happens once we have made all of our selections? I have not done a draft event here until now.


It is 14 rounds. Once we're finished, we open a thread for voting and people vote for the winners.

Galaril 05-12-2009 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2019219)
It is 14 rounds. Once we're finished, we open a thread for voting and people vote for the winners.


Thanks.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 07:00 PM

A few notes:

1) I notice I've been saying post-20th century, which is pretty stupid. I clarified it in the original post, but it looks like people already figured out what I meant anyways.

2) Be careful about announcing picks that you think are eliminated. While I'm sure no one is going to select Keynes as an athlete, there are others that could possibly fit multiple categories.

3) As I noted to DT earlier, the person does not have to have actually performed this duty at any point in history to be selected. It's up to you to make your case to the voters as to why someone would be good.

Coffee Warlord 05-12-2009 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2019154)
This is a controversial pick. I actually believe Jesus is the Son of God, so I would not have picked him. You can compare the value of One person to Another in society, but it is sort of unfair to judge Julius Caesar or Adam Smith to the actual Son of God.


Not to get into a tangent religious discussion, but I picked him solely on his historical existence & signifigance, not the man that Christianity believes him to be (son of god, etc etc). All faith-based arguments aside, he was quite possibly the most influential religious leader ... ever, such that one of the most widely known and practiced religions in history was formed around him.

I knew it was possibly going to be controversial, but anything touching on religious beliefs is going to be.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 07:50 PM

Someone was going to pick him, and they were going to pick him early, and he will ring-ding-ding the voters and it's a great pick from every angle, no question. I just can't get past the fact that in a draft of humans, someone picks aspect of God, you know what I'm saying?

Greyroofoo 05-12-2009 07:53 PM

I thought it was a point of emphasis in Christianity that Jesus was human.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo (Post 2019279)
I thought it was a point of emphasis in Christianity that Jesus was human.


It is also a point of emphasis that Jesus is one of three aspects of God called the Trinity. God made flesh.

Coffee Warlord 05-12-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2019273)
Someone was going to pick him, and they were going to pick him early, and he will ring-ding-ding the voters and it's a great pick from every angle, no question. I just can't get past the fact that in a draft of humans, someone picks aspect of God, you know what I'm saying?


From your point of view, sure. We don't share the same beliefs, so we're coming from two quite different points of view, but whaddya gonna do. But, that said, I'm picking the historical, quite human figure, not the divine figure. I understand for many its hard to seperate the two, but again, and you said it...somebody was gonna pick him.

Coffee Warlord 05-12-2009 07:56 PM

And I hereby am going to avoid yapping about this one much further in here, to avoid threadjacking the draft. :)

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 07:59 PM

Heh. We should talk more about the Oil Fields pick.

Coffee Warlord 05-12-2009 08:00 PM

It was BAD! BAD BAD BAD!

Honestly, thus far, the Oil Fields is my mega bust, and Sun Tzu, believe it or not, is my second bust. The Oil coulda been had ages later in the draft, and while Sun Tzu is the man, I think there were better picks available.

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 08:07 PM

I had the Nelson pick #1. I agree that MLK, knocking off the whole American Civil Rights movement, is a great pick both in its own terms and for its strategic assets.

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 08:07 PM

Nelson was #1 in Navy, to clarify.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 08:08 PM

I'm not sure how we are going to interpret geographical feature. Something pretty? Or something highly useful?

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 08:09 PM

I don;t even know myself

Apathetic Lurker 05-12-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2019288)
It was BAD! BAD BAD BAD!

Honestly, thus far, the Oil Fields is my mega bust, and Sun Tzu, believe it or not, is my second bust. The Oil coulda been had ages later in the draft, and while Sun Tzu is the man, I think there were better picks available.


I prefer to thump my enemies.. None of that mamby-pamby touchy feely PC poop for me... Dead enemies dont rise up twice..Unless we are dealing with "The" zombie Apocalypse.. But thats another draft

Danny 05-12-2009 08:16 PM

I'm here, will research and get a pick in as quick as I can.

Danny 05-12-2009 08:16 PM

Out of curiosity though, can the person picking PM the person who is up next?

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:19 PM

i like that...i find it handy (the PM thing)

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 08:25 PM

Sure

Danny 05-12-2009 08:26 PM

Round 1 is not the time to get fancy and there is a clearcut person on the board right now.

1.10 Muhammad, Religious Leader (Current Saudi Arabia is where he was born)

Lathum 05-12-2009 08:26 PM

did Galaril send a list?

I only ask because I'll be ready whenever the time comes

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 08:28 PM

Danny good value at the end of the first round. I will admit I'd never have thought we'd get 2 Saudi Arabia picks in round 1.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 08:28 PM

Agreed, solid pick Danny

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 08:29 PM

Galaril picks:

1.11 - Abraham Lincoln, Leader/Ruler, United States, Pre-20th

Coffee Warlord 05-12-2009 08:30 PM

I knew we were gonna get him soon. Nice one. And there goes a whole boatload of worthy American leaders off the board.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 08:32 PM

I honestly don;t think any other Americans deserve to be Ruler/Leader except Lincoln, in a worldwide all history draft

Lathum 05-12-2009 08:34 PM

1.12- Civil Rights- Nelson Mandela- South Africa- say what you want about MLK, he never spent 27 years in prison ( allthought I am sure he would have)


2.1- Artist-Leonardo Da Vinci- Italy- does it really need an explination?

Coffee Warlord 05-12-2009 08:35 PM

Son of a bitch. There go TWO on my shortlist. Jerk. :)

Lathum 05-12-2009 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2019365)
I honestly don;t think any other Americans deserve to be Ruler/Leader except Lincoln, in a worldwide all history draft


FDR?

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 08:35 PM

Totally like the Mandela pick. Major props there and I agree, more valuable than MLK. Da Vinci is solid too. Good value here.

Lathum 05-12-2009 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2019370)
Son of a bitch. There go TWO on my shortlist. Jerk. :)


:D

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:38 PM

eh - i debated mandela vs. MLK actually, but given the strategic pick of MLK in addition to the # of people and the years of oppression overcome i think MLK stacks up quite well to Mandela. Mandela was the only other person I would have considered for that category.

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2019365)
I honestly don;t think any other Americans deserve to be Ruler/Leader except Lincoln, in a worldwide all history draft

With the way things are shaping up, I'm thinking the Pre-20th/Post-20th is going to be more of a challenge than people think. As such I think others might deserve consideration.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 08:39 PM

Galaril picks:

2.2 - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Army Chief, United States, 20th

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019369)
1.12- Civil Rights- Nelson Mandela- South Africa- say what you want about MLK, he never spent 27 years in prison ( allthought I am sure he would have)



nope. he just got shot and killed for it.

MrDNA 05-12-2009 08:47 PM

Adam Smith is a GREAT pick in a weak category - Red Baron and MLK as well, if to a lesser extent.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:49 PM

i'm ready to go assuming the person in front of me doesn't pick my other choice i had in mind

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019382)
With the way things are shaping up, I'm thinking the Pre-20th/Post-20th is going to be more of a challenge than people think. As such I think others might deserve consideration.


This is why I was suprised you went Smith over Keynes. Keynes gave you Post 20th

Danny 05-12-2009 08:50 PM

2.3 Mahatma Ghandi, Civil Rights Leader (India)

Danny 05-12-2009 08:51 PM

Ghandi can fill a 20th century spot right?

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:51 PM

thank you sir, for not taking my pick

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:52 PM

ohhh i gotta wait for NTN

Coffee Warlord 05-12-2009 08:57 PM

Bah. Ghandi was MINE!

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2019441)
Ghandi can fill a 20th century spot right?


Sure, he was alive during both time periods.

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 09:30 PM

I think Ghandi King, and Mandela are 1 1A 1AA of the civil rights category, in some order. All three are absolutely fabulous picks.

Danny 05-12-2009 09:32 PM

I was hoping Ghandi would fall.

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2019430)
This is why I was suprised you went Smith over Keynes. Keynes gave you Post 20th

I think the name Adam Smith is a better voting appeal than Keynes. I also have roughly sketched out which categories I intend to take from which time period and could afford that pick.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 09:39 PM

Fair enough

Barkeep49 05-12-2009 09:49 PM

Don't get me wrong, I think you're right that Keynes, as 20th century, deserves consideration.

Izulde 05-12-2009 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2019459)
Bah. Ghandi was MINE!


+1 :mad:

Izulde 05-12-2009 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019523)
I think Ghandi King, and Mandela are 1 1A 1AA of the civil rights category, in some order. All three are absolutely fabulous picks.


+1 here too, though I'd put King 1 and Ghandi 1A.

Coffee Warlord 05-12-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019523)
I think Ghandi King, and Mandela are 1 1A 1AA of the civil rights category, in some order. All three are absolutely fabulous picks.


Ayup, those were the exact 3 I had jotted down for early possibilities when I made a quick list. Now it gets much harder on that one.

Lathum 05-12-2009 09:59 PM

King was gonna be my choice but obviously I had to take Mandela instead.

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 10:47 PM

There is a guy who I honestly feel was one of the ten most important and influential people of the 20th century, but no one knows who he is. It will be interesting to see if any of you agree.

Danny 05-12-2009 10:52 PM

Your dungeon game was good, but not that good Abe

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 10:54 PM

Heh. I loves you too Danny. The person I am thinking of has a top notch resume but is a bit esoteric and probably not a name most know. Even if a few did, taking him would not help my nation get votes, you know?

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:01 PM

grrrr - ntn was here and now he's gone

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:03 PM

I saw too

ntndeacon 05-12-2009 11:06 PM

2.4 Karl Marx-Economist-Germany-Pre 20th century

Izulde 05-12-2009 11:11 PM

Very nicely done!

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:11 PM

assface!!!!!


that was gonna be my pick next!!!

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:11 PM

literally

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:12 PM

:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 2019701)
2.4 Karl Marx-Economist-Germany-Pre 20th century


Nicely done. I was looking at the exact same thing.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:13 PM

now i need time to come up with something else *sighs*

Abe Sargent 05-12-2009 11:13 PM

You didn;t have a backup? Come on now

Izulde 05-12-2009 11:15 PM

I just hope DT and CW don't take my next pick. :p

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 11:16 PM

point of fact - adam smith was actually scottish


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