I wouldn't worry too much about it -- this thing rolled really fast. Besides, people get upset with 3 or 4 hour waits, not 2.

Had Adam Smith on my short list, would have taken him for sure had he fell.

dola- Red Baron as well

Thanks. I have to say I felt strongly about this pick because
A. I think he's a clear #1 in his field and am not concerned about finding either a military or political leader (especially political), which is what the early picks were.
B. By picking him I also knock-out one of the next best alternatives, Keynes. Since I'm safe with my economist pick, I'm going to say that I think the no duplicate country rule is going to lead to some people having some might weak economists.

This is an absolutely wonderful pick. I can't believe he made it to 1.7. Great job CW. Again a clear #1 in his field.

I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?

I beleive it is one country per category. I choose Greece for Alexander ot block Leonidas as a military leader later as a pick, for example. But other Greeks could be chosen easily

This is a controversial pick. I actually believe Jesus is the Son of God, so I would not have picked him. You can compare the value of One person to Another in society, but it is sort of unfair to judge Julius Caesar or Adam Smith to the actual Son of God.

You can pick anyone from Israel in any category but religious leader.

Right. I was just noting that John Meynard Keynes is a strong economist pick, but is off the board as he, like Smith, is British.

The problem with these drafts is that once you get out of the first round, perhaps first two rounds, you never know if the picks you think are the top on the board will go early, middle or late.

I guess DT couldn't be bothered to send a list

I haven't, but I check in every 20 mins to hour

He sent one. Checking it now.

DT picks:

1.8 - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, Post-20th Century

Well I wish I had known(read) that earlier because it certainly would have changed my pick.

Restrictions on picks-

1) A country may only be used once per category.
2) Half of a participants picks must be pre-20th century, and the other half post-20th century.

That seems a little vague to me.

Technically, Israel shouldn't be eliminated (It didn't exist when Jesus lived).

Right, but we already clarified that. We're going by modern countries, even if it didn't exist at the time the person was alive.

Sorry about the confusion, Noop.

I didn't understand that only one country per category rule applied across the board. That makes this pick even better, because it takes out the whole black American and women's civil rights movement out in one go.

wish he hadn't, wanted that one

Grrr! I hate you ntn. That was my second round pick. :mad:

maybe i can steal your new 2nd round pick as well.

Sorry, missed that.

The draft is falling largely how I expect so far. Except for Saudi Arabia's oilfields and Adam Smith this early.

I'm personally very surprised that the Army Chief I'd consider far and away the #1 is still yet to be nabbed after two selections in that category.

Who is on the clock? Danny?

exactly my plan! :D

hehehe

Yep.

And you're a right evil bastard for it too. :P

BTW How many rounds is this and what happens once we have made all of our selections? I have not done a draft event here until now.

It is 14 rounds. Once we're finished, we open a thread for voting and people vote for the winners.

Thanks.

A few notes:

1) I notice I've been saying post-20th century, which is pretty stupid. I clarified it in the original post, but it looks like people already figured out what I meant anyways.

2) Be careful about announcing picks that you think are eliminated. While I'm sure no one is going to select Keynes as an athlete, there are others that could possibly fit multiple categories.

3) As I noted to DT earlier, the person does not have to have actually performed this duty at any point in history to be selected. It's up to you to make your case to the voters as to why someone would be good.

Not to get into a tangent religious discussion, but I picked him solely on his historical existence & signifigance, not the man that Christianity believes him to be (son of god, etc etc). All faith-based arguments aside, he was quite possibly the most influential religious leader ... ever, such that one of the most widely known and practiced religions in history was formed around him.

I knew it was possibly going to be controversial, but anything touching on religious beliefs is going to be.

Someone was going to pick him, and they were going to pick him early, and he will ring-ding-ding the voters and it's a great pick from every angle, no question. I just can't get past the fact that in a draft of humans, someone picks aspect of God, you know what I'm saying?

I thought it was a point of emphasis in Christianity that Jesus was human.

It is also a point of emphasis that Jesus is one of three aspects of God called the Trinity. God made flesh.

From your point of view, sure. We don't share the same beliefs, so we're coming from two quite different points of view, but whaddya gonna do. But, that said, I'm picking the historical, quite human figure, not the divine figure. I understand for many its hard to seperate the two, but again, and you said it...somebody was gonna pick him.

And I hereby am going to avoid yapping about this one much further in here, to avoid threadjacking the draft. :)

Heh. We should talk more about the Oil Fields pick.

It was BAD! BAD BAD BAD!

Honestly, thus far, the Oil Fields is my mega bust, and Sun Tzu, believe it or not, is my second bust. The Oil coulda been had ages later in the draft, and while Sun Tzu is the man, I think there were better picks available.

I had the Nelson pick #1. I agree that MLK, knocking off the whole American Civil Rights movement, is a great pick both in its own terms and for its strategic assets.

Nelson was #1 in Navy, to clarify.

I'm not sure how we are going to interpret geographical feature. Something pretty? Or something highly useful?

I don;t even know myself

I prefer to thump my enemies.. None of that mamby-pamby touchy feely PC poop for me... Dead enemies dont rise up twice..Unless we are dealing with "The" zombie Apocalypse.. But thats another draft

I'm here, will research and get a pick in as quick as I can.

Out of curiosity though, can the person picking PM the person who is up next?

i like that...i find it handy (the PM thing)

Sure

Round 1 is not the time to get fancy and there is a clearcut person on the board right now.

1.10 Muhammad, Religious Leader (Current Saudi Arabia is where he was born)

did Galaril send a list?

I only ask because I'll be ready whenever the time comes

Danny good value at the end of the first round. I will admit I'd never have thought we'd get 2 Saudi Arabia picks in round 1.

Agreed, solid pick Danny

Galaril picks:

1.11 - Abraham Lincoln, Leader/Ruler, United States, Pre-20th

I knew we were gonna get him soon. Nice one. And there goes a whole boatload of worthy American leaders off the board.

I honestly don;t think any other Americans deserve to be Ruler/Leader except Lincoln, in a worldwide all history draft

1.12- Civil Rights- Nelson Mandela- South Africa- say what you want about MLK, he never spent 27 years in prison ( allthought I am sure he would have)


2.1- Artist-Leonardo Da Vinci- Italy- does it really need an explination?

Son of a bitch. There go TWO on my shortlist. Jerk. :)

FDR?

Totally like the Mandela pick. Major props there and I agree, more valuable than MLK. Da Vinci is solid too. Good value here.

:D

eh - i debated mandela vs. MLK actually, but given the strategic pick of MLK in addition to the # of people and the years of oppression overcome i think MLK stacks up quite well to Mandela. Mandela was the only other person I would have considered for that category.

With the way things are shaping up, I'm thinking the Pre-20th/Post-20th is going to be more of a challenge than people think. As such I think others might deserve consideration.

Galaril picks:

2.2 - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Army Chief, United States, 20th

nope. he just got shot and killed for it.

Adam Smith is a GREAT pick in a weak category - Red Baron and MLK as well, if to a lesser extent.

i'm ready to go assuming the person in front of me doesn't pick my other choice i had in mind

This is why I was suprised you went Smith over Keynes. Keynes gave you Post 20th

Ghandi can fill a 20th century spot right?

thank you sir, for not taking my pick

ohhh i gotta wait for NTN

Bah. Ghandi was MINE!

Sure, he was alive during both time periods.

I think Ghandi King, and Mandela are 1 1A 1AA of the civil rights category, in some order. All three are absolutely fabulous picks.

I was hoping Ghandi would fall.

I think the name Adam Smith is a better voting appeal than Keynes. I also have roughly sketched out which categories I intend to take from which time period and could afford that pick.

Fair enough

Don't get me wrong, I think you're right that Keynes, as 20th century, deserves consideration.

+1 :mad:

+1 here too, though I'd put King 1 and Ghandi 1A.

Ayup, those were the exact 3 I had jotted down for early possibilities when I made a quick list. Now it gets much harder on that one.

King was gonna be my choice but obviously I had to take Mandela instead.

There is a guy who I honestly feel was one of the ten most important and influential people of the 20th century, but no one knows who he is. It will be interesting to see if any of you agree.

Your dungeon game was good, but not that good Abe

Heh. I loves you too Danny. The person I am thinking of has a top notch resume but is a bit esoteric and probably not a name most know. Even if a few did, taking him would not help my nation get votes, you know?

grrrr - ntn was here and now he's gone

I saw too

Very nicely done!

assface!!!!!


that was gonna be my pick next!!!

literally

:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:

Nicely done. I was looking at the exact same thing.

now i need time to come up with something else *sighs*

You didn;t have a backup? Come on now

I just hope DT and CW don't take my next pick. :p

point of fact - adam smith was actually scottish