Yeah, it didn't make any sense to me either. Marcus would have returned to the Kota camp after the fake merge feast. If my memory serves me right the Nobag camp is the old Fang camp. Maybe it's a recap episode (if there is one).

Well, Randy/Corrine's biggest mistake was underestimating Sugar. They just assumed Bob must have the idol even though Sugar has practically lived on exile island for most of the game. They just assumed she was so stupid that she couldn't possibly have it. Sugar is neither brilliant nor a great player, but she is far from a dunce.

I can understand thinking the idol itself was real. It looked damned convincing. Nothing like the ridiculous stick from last season.

I'm not sure if Corryn ever saw it, but Randy was the one who found the idle.

Plus, as pointed out, I think they all saw the idol at the time. But even ignoring that, it seems like such an elaborate story would get denied eventually once Corrine (presumably) ends up in loser lodge with Marcus. And this seems unnecessary anyway, because if Bob wants to cover his ass he can easily just say the fake idol was planted on EI by the person who found the real idol.

Nope, it's not an ass-covering maneuver. So what is it? I'm genuinely intrigued. Are we being taken for a ride here by the producers??

That was perhaps the best tribal council ever.

easily one of the best survivor moments

Looks like this Thursday will be the recap episode. Not surprising since it'll be Thanksgiving.

You know, I was wondering why Randy was featured. That makes sense.

it was a good plan for them, though. they were outnumbered and had to twist the game. im not sure why they instantly assumed Bob found the idol, but they had every reason to trust him. but to see a tool like Randy get his like that is wonderful.

I don't understand why Kenny and Crystal decided to split their votes like that. If Corinne actually had an idle, what difference does it make whether the vote is five votes Corrinne to two votes Matty or four votes Corrine to three Matty? Matt would go home either way. Now, there is no reason why Sugar, Matty, and Suzie should trust Kenny at all. Very dumb decision in my opinion.

So who got voted off?

Yep. It could theoretically have the effect of helping Kenny in the finals if he gets that far (perhaps making Corrine and Bob more likely to vote for him), but I don't think that was his thought process -- or if it was, he's getting too cute with his strategy. I can't see how he wouldn't be voted out next week. Wouldn't Sugar, Susie, and Matty be gunning for him now? And shouldn't it be easy to get Bob on board as a fourth vote, seeing as how he's probably next otherwise?

At this point, Bob deserves to win. I know Ozzy screwed around with the idea, but making impressive fake idols and pulling it off twice is a pretty new wrinkle to a pretty established game (I think they are in their 14th or 15th season).

If I'm still alive on that game, I think I would try to allign with Susie and Sugar. If you get to the final three with them, you are golden.

Corinne was voted off Izulde. Credit to her and Bob for trying though and nearly pulling it off. Matty is not going to be pleased when they go back to camp and Bob should play that up as much as he can. So glad he won immunity last night. I honestly didn't think he would last long in this game, but lucked out with initial tribe being so good. But his fake idols and knowledge and winning challenges at his age and physical condition (did you see him without his shirt?) have been a great story this season.

I think Kenny's days as ringleader are over after this vote.

Just glad to see Corinne gone.

Is it just me, or does Corrinne look like Courtney Cox? And does Matty look like Leonardo DiCaprio?

Kenny and Sugar would be foolish to let Bob get any further as he would be tough to beat in the finals.

Bob would beat anyone in the finals with his 4 votes already sitting on the jury.

Matty and Kenny's goal is to get rid of each other and Bob because if they're in the finals with any two of Sugar, Suzie, and Crystal they are guaranteed victory.

Sugar's only chance to win is to get to the finals with Suzie and Crystal, the only two more worthless than her. She is too hated to beat any of the others.

Suzie and Crystal have no chance of winning and are just taking up space.

Brilliant play by Bob and Corrinne. It may not have saved Corrinne, but it got Kenny's head on the chopping block and should start the in-fighting with the other tribe. And Crystal will benefit as well, as she voted Corrinne with the rest. Should be interesting to see Kenny weasel out of this, and which way Bob decides to go in the fight.

Oh, and with 6 left, we have one more episode Thursday, then the finale Sunday? We getting another final 3?

Yep, there's going to be a lot of fingerpointed over that single vote from Kenny. I'm sure the first words we'll hear out of Matty in the opening scene when they return to camp will be, "Who the hell voted for me outside of Bob and Corrine?".

I really don't understand Kenny's move there. Splitting his and Crystal's votes just doesn't make any sense at all and it puts him in a position where he now has to explain himself to his alliance.

Matty comes across to me as a follower and fairly weak personality-wise, though, so I wouldn't be shocked if Kenny smoothed things over with him.

Bob is in a position now where he could completely blow things up. If he doesn't press this issue with Matty, Sugar, and Susie he's an idiot.

Anyone else find Kenny's comments about Bob not having a plan funny?

Well, Sugar is definitely an idiot. She could've won straight up against Susie, Kenny, or Crystal. Now, she saved Bob and Matty. Unless she tries to play the "strategist" angle, which she really can't, she won't win.

This crap about the "good guys" winning is...well, crap.

Sugar is stupid. Her only shot was against Suzie and Crystal. Bob is gonna win this easily if he gets to the finals. Hopefully he keeps winning immunity because if they're smart they'll get rid of him asap. But they'll probably vote out the "bad guy" Kenny, instead. At least Crystal is finally gone. She was the least deserving final 6 contestant in Survivor history.

That honor would have to go to Lillian and Burton from Survivor Pearl Islands, two players who got voted out of the game and then got to come back in the infamous "outcast" twist.

Actually, she's not even least deserving among the current group. Suzie takes those honors. She is a close second though.

I think she is easiy the least athletic "olympic champion" ever. What the hell was her event? It doesn't seem to be anything that involved speed, stamina, coordination or agility.

I think she won the gold in the 4x100. I'm surprised she didn't do better in tonight's reward challenge, but a lot of the challenges this season haven't had anything to do with speed or strength. There is quite a bit of technique involved in the 100 and 200 meter dashes so I'm surprised she hasn't done better at challenges involving technique as one of its component.

I'm liking Sugar more and more. I realize the whole point of the game is to win, but I admire her for the "good guys" comment.

Since when is Matty a "good guy"? He's the jackass that was taunting Bob in one of the earlier challenges.

Sugar is a little too emotionally unstable. She has flopped all over the place based on whoever has given her the most recent sob story.


Prediction for Sunday: Sugar cries (going out on a limb here)

dola: Plus this game is not about being a "ggod guy". You can;t judge anyone in the game solely on how they play the game (sxample being Kenny, he hasn't done or said things that make me feel he is a bad person, he is just playing the game. The other side is Randy, he made enough statements to make me feel pretty sure he is an asshole in real life).

Bold prediction. :lol:

Suzie won the fire challenge. Crystal has done nothing. She is completely worthless. If it were Suzie and Crystal in the final 2, Suzie would win by a landslide. Crystal is a bigger joke than Randy's mohawk.

All I can say is... Go Bob

Who would have seen this coming, Bob dominating challenges.

The funniest little snippet was the end of the ball challenge when Crystal went to dunk her ball...and missed. :)

I think Sugar's a pretty good player. Not great -- she does play too emotionally -- but good. She has absolutely no prayer of winning because she has no prayer of getting any of the Kota alliance's votes in the finals, no matter who else is there with her. I think she recognizes that, and is putting her game playing skills towards engineering a win for players that she would like to see win. Which makes this kind of a weird season right now, with one of the hardest-playing gamers essentially playing for others.

Sugar reminds me of Cody (?) from Survivor Australia who decided he wanted the best person with him in the finale. And whatever the outcome of her decision, that was a BRILLIANT plan to pull off what she wanted. Holding the hidden idol, then handing it to Matty to turn in was great. Keep in mind she is the first Survivor in how long to actually play a hidden immunity idol and have it work...

I thought Bob's best shot was getting Matty and Suzy to turn on the other 3, but Sugar saved him. I actually think Bob is not playing a very strategic game, just a solid good-guy game and dominating challenges and working around camp.

well I'm certainly not torn up over Crystal leaving-as others have said one of the worse final 6 finalists ever. Her performance in both challenges were pitiful-wandering off the course and not making a single basket even the dunk. Having said that, Kenny would have been the wiser one to take out of the Kenny-Crystal duo. Kenny has won a challenge and at least showed some brains and idea of strategy. Would much rather have Crystal in the Final 3 then Kenny.

Loved Sugar giving Matty the idol at Tribal just for the drama and look on the others faces, but probably a stupid move on her part to save "the most physical" threat. Actually I think Bob is now, but she needs to get rid of both of them if she wants any chance of winning.

And Randy's mohawk....just ugh.

Actually, that move didn't come into play. The final vote was Crystal 4, Matty 2, so it didn't have any effect other than theater in the end. A more accurate statement is that she's the first immunity idol holder in some time to avoid getting back-doored while holding the idol. She definitely played it well while never actually playing it.

Watching the latest Pondersosa videos on cbs.com, Randy, Corinne, and Marcus are striking me as very bitter and petty people. Crystal and Charlie seem like decent people.

I think Suzie is one of the most useless players in the entire history of Survivor. I really didn't like Crystal, but she made it onto the TV screen once in a while. Suzie gets no play on TV because she is so dull. Doesn't ever take part in strategy sessions. Doesn't ever come close to winning challenges. She basically is just THERE.

I'm hoping Kenny takes it all, but he's at a huge disadvantage at this point, he needs to win 2 challenges to make it. Definitely alone at this point unless he can make Sugar cry and get her to flip flop AGAIN.

I'd agree. Crystal wasn't bitter on her exit video which is more than what you can say for the others. Charlie also was pleasant. Both of them realized it's a game and they got blindsided and weren't bitter about it.

Actually Susie won one challenge. :) But yeah I agree with you. It looked like she might start making some strategic moves when Marcus got the axe, but then she melted into the background again.

Randy now has gone serial killer scary with his mohawk. What the fuck is up with that? Who would let this toolbag do their wedding video? And Corrinne comment I wish Bob and Kenny luck and thw rest " I hope they have miserable LIVES!" It is just a game get a fucking grip bitch. Geez

Bob is so awesome. I hope he wins. Sugar is an idiot for wanting to go to the final 3 with Matty and Bob. She won't get a single vote if that's the case.

I've got a feeling Bob will lose the next challenge to Matty and he'll get voted out. With Kenny gone, only Bob deserves to win this game. Sugar is an idiot, Matty has done nothing gameplay wise, and Suzie is worthless.

And of all people Suzie wins the last immunity. This probably means Bob is gone as Matty and Sugar are close. Matty is going to win this by doing nothing all game. He will be the worst winner in survivor history.

I mean, Suzie has done more to win than Matty. She's won challenges and was part of the biggest tribe switch. Hopefully they're serious about the tie and Bob pulls through.

Tie! This fire challenge is for all the marbles. Bob is winning!

Sugar hands a million dollars to Bob.

WTF? Bob says he did nothing but ride coattails. What a terrible answer. I'm not so sure he beats Sugar now even though she's despised.

Corrine is a ruthless bitch. Even Randy didn't go that far.

That was too close. They must have really really hated Sugar.

Prolly cuz she's got no personality and perhaps because she's a spanish woman.

And that's why randy is so likeable, he's hilarious.

Nope, still don't see it.

I personally liked Randy all season minus a few little things.

I wonder if the appearance on the show has residual effects on Randy and Corinne in the real world. I know if I've watched this season and have a wedding coming up, I'm not looking for Randy any time soon or if I am a doctor needing to buy drugs for my clinic, I'm not buying anything from Corinne.

The difference between Randy and Corrine is that Corrine genuinely gets off on boos and being called nasty, et cetera. Randy just is, and doesn't care -- or at least does a great job pretending he doesn't. Randy is a horrible person but I'm a big fan anyway. Goodness, the pretend "friends." Just awesome. Why couldn't he have lasted one more round for the family visits? "Gold" would have been an understatement.

Sugar had no prayer of winning and knew it. When your social game is bad enough that even a strategy geek like Kenny would vote for SUSIE over you, then you simply cannot win Survivor. Of the final three, she actually had the best feel for the game of Survivor and its strategies. She certainly played too emotionally and had a lot of holes in her gameplay, but she had a good mind for the game. However, she clearly did not care at the final tribal and wasn't even trying, obviously with good reason. You just cannot squeeze blood from a turnip.

Bob is definitely one of the worst strategic winners ever, but he is very intelligent and seems like a good guy, so whatever. There were no masterminds on this season, not even Kenny.

Yay for Bob! I thought he was going to screw himself in that final tribal council with the jury. He said nothing about winning 5 challenges in a row at his age, and next to nothing about the fake idol, and "fake" fake idol plan he worked out with Corrine that nearly worked.

I think everyone, Jeff Probst included, was surprised Susie got any votes. I guess Matty did based on what happened in his final tribal-who were the other two? But hey give her some credit, she won two individual immunities including the one she had to win to stay in the game.

Sugar was just too wishy-washy and easily swayed to have much chance against Bob. I liked her opening speech actually, being alone the most with being on Exile and finding the immunity idol so quickly and never having to play it to the end of its usefulness. But then she just gave up after that. I hope Bob gives her a bit of that $100,000 he won cause she kept him in the game more than once.

I have to say I was surprised with the final challenge. Usually its some kind of endurance challenge, this one didn't require any physicality at all really. I was surprised too that Bob did so bad with it, I would have thought that would have been a challenge tailor-made for him.

Pretty much sums it up. I actually thought Sugar played the best game out of the 3 in final, but even she admitted before the final tribal that she had pissed off too many people along the way. I really think that she felt that if she had no shot at winning she would play a role in handpicking the winner and decided to help Bob out.

glad for Bob.

What Corrine said about Sugars dad is unexcusable, she should rot in hell

I want to add that I'm amazed that 5 people said they would have voted for Matty if he had been in the final 3. Did he do anything this season? Everyone kept mentioning how much of a physical threat he was and he was good in challenges, but didn't really win any, he was part of the worst tribe in survivor history, and was used for his vote throughout the season.

Sugar was extremely inconsistent. She could've played the card that she was a player and manipulated people, but her mistake was bringing Bob with her to the end. That one act dashed away any hopes that she could play the card that "it's just a game".

I would be willing to bet that Sugar...ahem...Jessica is actually a very annoying person. She looked good on camera and that's why she got the edit she did. Hence, she didn't win any votes at all and Susie won three and almost beat Bob.

That is similar to how I feel. I was more satisfied with the past several winners since they were all good strategists. I guess it's alright that Bob won since he seems like a genuinely good guy. I also agree there were no masterminds this season.



Totally agree on Corinne. Corinne seemed like a ruthless stuck-up, and uncaring bitch. Randy at least seemed to have some redeeming qualities on the reunion show, still not a very good guy, but not nearly as terrible as Corinne.


I think it was because of jury bitterness. Marcus, Corinne, and probably even Charlie would never have voted for Susie because she "flipped" and voted out Marcus. I don't really understand why they were pissed about since she would have been settling for 5th, 6th, or 7th place if she hadn't.


I'm curious about that as well.


Overall, I felt pretty this season was not as entertaining or satisfying as the last few seasons.

I'm surprised none of the contenstants stacked the cards up. They could have easily stacked them up at least 8 feet from how much it looked like they had.... *shrug*

Decent season and I will be there for the next one as well.

Too often when it gets to the next-to-last Tribal Council, and one of the contestants chooses to take the "nicer" person to the finals, it backfires. I mean, come on... you went out there to win the game (and oh by the way... a MILLION dollars). Maybe I just can't imagine the mental aspect of the game unless I was out there for the 38 days.

When it got to the final five, I felt myself rooting more for Bob. On the other hand, a Final Three of Matty, Susie, & Sugar would have been quite interesting... because NONE of them would have deserved it.

I really enjoyed this season of Survivor a lot. I had watched ever episode of the series up until seasons 13 and 14 (I thought it had gotten stale and it seemed like they were doing to many novelty things during selections, so I quit watching after about 6 episodes of season 13) and have again from season 15+, but this is the first year I have had an HD television and it has, surprisingly, made the show much better for me.

I think folks are undercutting Bob in the strategy department because he played in a different way. He introduced effective fake idols into the game, which is a pretty novel new strategy for a game that has been on for 18 seasons. He went into the final six without any of the other players from his alliance and against five players that had spent, at least some, time in the same tribe together for a good portion of the game (while he had been in Kota the entire time, everyone else had been in Fang the whole time except Susie and Sugar, who had each been for half the game). He is not a legendary strategist or anything, but he is certainly not the worst (Vecepia and Sandra seemed to cruise into the finals without having to overcome numbers and/or doing anything as innovative as using fake idols).

Agreed. While his string of wins late in the game certainly helped his cause, he did a good job of gaining favor with some of the members of the other group and stirring up the hornet's nest to get a good player out when he could.

I also think Susie played a better game than most folks are giving her credit. She totally flipped the game and cleared her own path to the finals by getting rid of Marcus. Once Marcus was gone, the alliance of Marcus/Charlie/Corrine/Randy (and they were clearly dominating the game) fell like dominoes. If she does not make that play against Marcus at that time, while the tribes were briefly separated, those four + Bob have clear sailing to the finals, in my opinion. She also won two individual immunity challenges. I have a feeling if she looked like or had been the same age as Paloma or Corrine or Kelly, she would have gotten a much more favorable edit and would have received more televised credit for her strategy and individual play.

So, Bob won? I haven't been watching this season, but he's from a nearby town and I've been reading about him in the paper. That's pretty exciting. A lot of his students were saying they were amazed to find out that their teacher could lie through his teeth like that.

I thought a physicist would be good at stacking cards. Not so much. I'm glad that Bob won. Loved it when he went off to practice making fire. Gotta appreciate the never-give-up mentality. It was a good season. Looking forward to the next one.

Corinne is a waste of carbon.

But again, by the endgame, Sugar was playing on Bob's (and Matty's) behalf, not for herself. Sugar strategically engineered Bob's (or Matty's) victory, on purpose. There is probably some pretty deep psychological pathology involved in WHY, but to me it was pretty clear that her "I don't care" act was not an act. As hardcore as Survivor has gotten in recent seasons (which is a good thing, btw), I know it's hard to wrap one's mind around this.

I do give credit to Bob for the fake idol maneuvering. He was not strategically useless, just one of the weakest winners. There are almost no COMPLETELY non-strategic players anymore on Survivor (again, a good thing).

Watched the whole season. Thought Bob was the most creative and scrappy player I've seen in awhile, and really enjoyed the finale. I thought Sugar's play was great. While I wanted Bob to win I thought Sugar's reasoning might even win her some votes if she spun it well during the discussion. Instead she just took the don't care approach. I guess she really annoyed everyone much more than I thought.

I couldn't believe how awful Corinne was throughout and after. Even though Marcus mentioned that we only saw a small part of what went on and Sugar cried a lot Corinne was always way over the top.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know who the sites predicted to win based off of editing?

I think someone here said Marcus, but not sure about that

Marcus was the overwhelming pick until he was eliminated. I think after that people were mostly split between Kenny and Matty.

I asked because I was thinking Marcus, Charlie, or Kenny early on. After Marcus and Charlie were voted out I started thinking that the Survivor producers caught on and started mixing things up a bit and when Bob won it more or less confirmed it considering there were a couple episodes early in the season where Bob was hardly seen.

Overall I think this was a solid season. Not one of the very best, but still good. The weaker players did a very good job of getting the power players out early on and it removed the feeling of having an overwhelming favorite or memorable villain (despite Corrinne's late efforts). The Fang tribe will be remembered as the most incompetent tribe in the series' history.

Sugar probably goes down as the most underestimated player in any of the seasons I've watched. Bob was one of the more likable characters. I think we'll see Ace and Kenny on the next season of All-Stars. Susie was the most boring player to make it to the final 3 and somehow managed to get 3 votes. And Randy was genuinely unique.

I would definitely want Randy back if any of these castmembers are on the next All-Stars. Lots of good candidates after him, with Marcus, Bob, Ace, Kenny, Matty, and Sugar.

Randy was hilarious. It at least suggested that a lot of what he said was very deadpan rather than him being truly despicable. Corrine ... meh, playing the bitch card way too hard.

I was really surprised Suzie got 3 votes. If she had won, she would have been the least deserving winner of all time imo. However, this is probably an indication of how terrible it was living with Sugar. I mean, it didn't seem like many people actually had nice things to say about her.

Kenny was soooo geeky though and it was funny how he kept looking away from the camera while talking.

Interesting postgame interview with Sugar. Ditzy? Sure. Cynical? Seems like it. Stupid? Definitely not.

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Bob probably just offered her a bigger piece of his pie compared to Matty...she knew she didn't have a chance versus any of them...

She is a sales rep who the fuck would buy something from her? Her comments there to Sugar way to fight bomb a career showing yourself to be petty,undisciplined, vindicative and a bitch.