David Bell on the list.....called that.

Wally Joyner. :(

Albert Pujols!

Anyone guessing if A-Rod will be named? My guess is even if he DID do anything, he won't be named because baseball wants him to overtake Bonds' HR record and they don't want Rodriguez to be tainted as well.

If Mitchell found anything on him he'll be in the report. The homerun record won't be considered.

Glad to see Pujols was finally called out for the roid freak that he is.

If they threw pujols on there, they'd throw arod on there if they had proof

pettitte unofficially official

I was thinking the same thing about the Pirates. :)

Wally Joyner and Rich Garces are the two most surprising to me.

Count me among those who cannot wait to hear all the denials and lawsuit threats (that will somehow not come to light).

I bet Dykstra had roids flavored side chew.

So who isn't on the list that is surprising/refreshing?

Griffey, Frank Thomas, who else?

Piazza.

There's no proof A-Rod has done steroids. None at all. A-Rod is just that good that he doesn't need them. He's not like that fraud and cheater Albert Pujols.

Not even a Sox fan, but very disappointed to see Varitek and Nomar on the list. Both of them seemed like good guys.

I can't say I'm surprised about Pujols. Dude is just freakishly, 0% body fat ripped.

Props to Gregg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz as well...

This absolutely amazes me. If you'd have asked me for a list of 5 guys (other than the guys who had already been outed) that would have been in there, Piazza would have been one of them. If he really didn't juice that is amazing.

I'm kind of impressed that some of the older pitchers that are still kicking around were clean. Guys like David Wells and Jaime Moyer.

I'm amazed that you guys are talking the fake list so truthfully. I personally will wait for 1 hour to see the real list first before I start lighting torches.

I am glad about Varitek. He annoys the hell out of me by wearing that stupid "C" on his jersey.

This is a text sim message board. We can light whatever torches we feel. We don't even need a list for that.

I'm amazed that people are assuming that anyone not on the list is "clean", even though the list is supposed to be a sampling and not complete.

For those of you playing at home, MLB has denied this list is accurate. There are a lot of mis-spellings on it and Glaus is on twice.

Hey guys, long time no see. :) Felt like posting this for some reason...




Oh, and those of you surprised to see Wally Joyner's name on the list must have missed it when he admitted in 2005 to ESPN Mag that he got roids from Caminiti when both were on the Padres in 1998, I believe it was.

And I'm glad to see Johnny Damon on the list. I hate that fucker. What a worthless piece of shit he is, to marry his high school sweetheart, have triplets, become a very good baseball player, and then decide that he should live the rock star lifestyle, cheat on his wife, ignore his kids, divorce her, then write a book about it all. I hope his nuts shrivel up, fall off, and he keels over at 42. Other than that, I wish him a happy 2008 season.

What hasn't MLB denies at this point in regards to 'roids?

but other than those problems, the list is accurate:)

Cameron? That's my biggest disappointment on the unofficial list.

As for Varitek with the Mariners, I don't even remember him having much more than a cup of coffee at the major league level before he was traded.

Some of you guys must be living in a cave. Mike Cameron was just suspended for the first 25 games of next year.

Still don't know why the Yankees signed that bum.

Interoffice Memo to the Steinbrenner's:
cc: Brian Cashman:

Please do not sign any more overpriced, past their prime free agents. Carl Pavano, Tanyon Sturtze, Jason Giambi, Randy Johnson (via trade), Johnny Damon, and numerous others HAVE NOT WORKED OUT!!

Promote from within. Just like Microsoft. LOL.
:rolleyes:

Probably not true. Selig wants to distance himself as much as possible from the whole Barry Bonds debacle. His best way to do that is to promote the only current player whom has a chance to surpass Bonds: Alex Rodriguez. I doubt A-Rod has taken anything, but at the same time I would not be surprised if he has either.

I look like that and I don't do roids.

The following is a list of players already having implications of some sort. So any of these guys are probably on the real list already. Since the list is only 60-80 players I suspect we won't have many new names coming out.

List pulled from http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/

Total
64
24 Pitchers
Admitted Users
Ken Caminiti
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Armando Rios
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Jose Canseco
Tom House
Wally Joyner
Jim Leyritz
Paxton Crawford
Jason Grimsley
David Segui
John Rocker
Paul Byrd
Total: 17

Implicated Players
Mark McGwire
Manny Alexander
Chuck Finley
Marvin Bernard
Randy Velarde
Wilson Alvarez
Bret Boone
Ozzie Canseco
Juan Gonzalez
Dave Martinez
Ivan Rodriguez
Tony Saunders
Miguel Tejada
Lenny Dykstra
Dave Hollins
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Brian Roberts
Jay Gibbons
Gary Matthews Jr.
Jerry Hairston Jr.
David Bell
Darren Holmes
Rick Ankiel
Troy Glaus
Scott Schoeneweis
Matt Williams
Jose Guillen
Ismael Valdez
Total: 29

MLB Positive Tests
Alex Sanchez
Jorge Piedra
Agustin Montero
Jamal Strong
Juan Rincon
Rafael Betancourt
Rafael Palmeiro
Ryan Franklin
Mike Morse
Carlos Almanzar
Felix Heredia
Matt Lawton
Yusaku Iriki
Guillermo Mota
Juan Salas
Dan Serafini
Total: 16

Non-MLB Positive Tests
Terrmel Sledge*
Derek Turnbow*
Total: 2

Griffey not being on the list is NOT surprising! He's never been ripped, just slowly getting fatter as the years go by.

Also, no Larkin! My baseball life can continue.

That list is sad, because, with all those names I feel stupid for not thinking they might be on roids, all those guys are ripped.

Ripken not being on the list is somewhat surprising to me. I thought for sure that he'd show as a user to continue the streak but glad he's not on any list public so far.

Listening to Steve Phillips try to defend himself JUST in case his name might be mentioned is hilarious.

Least Surprising Inclusion: (tie) Ozzie Canseco and Jeremy Giambi
Most Surprising Exclusion: No Bonds? hmmmm list must be bad
How many roids did Juan Gonzalez take to get on there 2x?

LoDuca, thats out of LF.

Rondell White?

Stop smiling Dan Duquette, stop smiling!

Mo Vaughn, Paul Lo Duca, Eric Gagne, Glenallen Hill, Gregg Zaun, Rondell White, Hal Morris, Todd Hundley, Larry Bigbie, Lenny Dykstra, David Segui, Matt Herges, Kevin Brown and Mike Lansing, David Justice, Brian Roberts, Miguel Tejada, Clemens, Pettitte, Grimsley, Segui, Mike Stanton, CHuck Knoblach

These are confirmed

LOL :D

I'm far more interested in the fallout and hearing what players will say after being implicated.

Did the bolded guy even have a prime?? :)

Yeah, isn't this just a list of confirmed guys? So if someone isn't on it, they could still be juice bags...

The report itself does not have a list. From what I have seen.

Nope. No list. It just implicates people based on the interviewing and information he obtained.

Greg Zaun!!!!! Nooooo!!!!!

I like the checks and packaging slips at the end of the report. Its classic.

Oh yeah, spoiler alert

Oh and I was unable to find the names Bagwell or Pujols named in the report. :)

From Pages 113-114:

Conte told the agents that he had sold “the cream” and “the clear,” and advised on
their use, to dozens of elite athletes, including several players in Major League Baseball whom
he named in the interview: Barry Bonds; Jason Giambi; Jeremy Giambi; Armando Rios; and
Gary Sheffield.300 In that regard, Conte explained:
At the beginning of this major league baseball season, Greg
Anderson, a personal trainer at Bay Area Fitness who works closely with
several major league baseball players, brought in several of the players to
Balco in order to obtain the undetectable cream and clear. This was done
because of Major League Baseball’s new drug testing policy. Barry
Bonds was one of the players that Anderson brought to Conte to obtain
“the clear” and “the cream”. Bonds takes “the clear” and “the cream” on a
regular basis. The protocol for using the substances is two times per week
for “the clear” and two times per week for “the cream”. The athletes do
this for three weeks then take one week off. [BALCO vice president] Jim
Valente deals more with Anderson than Conte does. Anderson last got
some of “the clear” and “the cream” from Conte for his athletes about
three (3) or (4) weeks ago.

Conte told the agents that “Barry Bonds does not pay Conte for ‘the clear’ and ‘the cream’ that
he receives. Bonds’ payment is in the form of promotion for Conte’s ZMA product."

Denny Naegle.... Jump on that train!!!!

ITs basically hearsay, but why let the facts get in the way of a good witchhunt?

And who the hell is jeff williams?

Zaun :(

Also, Jason Grimsley has flowers on his checks.

After listening to Mitchell's press conference, I think he's done a good job. Now let's wait for the NFL to do theirs..... [cues laughtrack]

Now now, let's not go speaking that. Someone will come out and say your "head is in the sand..." What about the children?!


;)

Exactly.

(and that's coming from someone who wants all the real cheaters exposed)

Mike Lansing?!

Mitchell Friedman?!?!

The scanned checks and shipping statements are hearsay?

A quick look through the report and I see that Miguel Tejada is the only smart one. His checks went to Adam Piatt, who sent checks to Radomski.

I've ignored most of this shit. Bad light in the cave for reading.

Hell I'm still shocked that Hal Morris on there.

Man, the Radomski stuff, with the cancelled checks in the report are pretty damning.

Here's an interesting note that I'm sure we'll hear more about, re: Lo Duca:

F.P. Santangelo. Heh.

LOL

The only "prime" Sturtze had was Prime Rib everytime he got paid from the Yankees and Royals. :mad:

NFL?

About that asterisk........

Yes. The National Football League.

A steroids investigation.

Or will we just call that "The Pro Bowl."

No Varitek (or Nomar for that matter) in the report. :)

No way Mia Hamm marries Nomar if he was on 'roids. Besides, he's hurt way too much.

Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Tim Laker, Randy Velarde, Josias Manzanillo, Todd Hundley, Mark Carreon, Matt Franco, ROn Villone

Having finally surfed through the report to the section where the names start popping up, I think the thing that jumped out at me was the number of backup catchers, lefty relievers, and utility infielders that were on the list.

Kent Mercker? Mike Stanton? Tim Laker? WTF?
(Yeah, I know, it's marginal guys trying to hang on for the last roster spot, but those aren't the sort of players that normally come to mind when steroids are discussed)

edit to add: The other thing that popped out at me was that it sure seemed like a shitload of former Expos were on the list.

Damn you Kent Merker. You have forever tainted my World Series '95 seasons on my Sega Genesis

But it should. They're the ones with the least to lose.

Interesting since the wording implies that the Dodgers front office, at best, knew; and at worst, encouraged it as part of some sort of regimen.

If baseball had 1/4 of the brains of the NFL, they wouldn't be in this position.

The NFL started suspending players for steroids and other drugs in 1987. You read that right. 1987. As in 20 years ago. Two freakin decades.

Yes, we all know NFL players find ways around the tests. But there is widely known penalty for violating the policy and getting caught and they've suspended stars, scrubs and everything in between during that time.

The NFL isn't perfect. In fact, it may be a joke. But they understood the PR of the situation and they have random tests. Bash football if you want, but baseball should have been smarter.

I heart the Red SOx

In considering whether to trade for Donnelly in 2007, Red Sox baseball
operations personnel internally discussed concerns that Donnelly was using performance
enhancing substances. In an email to vice president of player personnel Ben Charington dated
December 13, 2006, Zack Scott of the Red Sox baseball operations staff wrote of Donnelly: “He
was a juice guy but his velocity hasn’t changed a lot over the years . . . If he was a juice guy, he
could be a breakdown candidate.”
427
Kyle Evans of the baseball operations staff agreed with
these concerns, responding in an email that “I haven’t heard many good things about him, w[ith]
significant steroid rumors.”
428

Was there really any team in baseball that didn't have a front office that both knew with reasonable certainty that specific players were using and encouraged it at least tacitly?

Not that it's the most mind-blowing thing in the world, but Matt Williams being suspected is a bummer.

Scanning through, haven't seen any new information on Bonds.

Not at all...and looking through the report, there seem to be many discussions between teams on it...I'm just surprised they wrote this stuff down on paper.

All non-Balco names from the report, according to Deadspin

Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

Sure there is. Those legendary battles between him and Roger Clemmens were steroid user against steriod user.

EDIT: My bad, alleged user against alleged user.

Haven't looked through it with a comb, but I think he'll get some shit for having probably his two biggest "new" names in Clemens and Pettite not have any checks or packing slips.

I'm not disagreeing with you. In fact, it is in the organization's interest to encourage steroid use, especially for marginal players. If it works out, it's great for the organization. If it doesn't, any physical "tools" development will pump up that player's trade value. If the player gets caught, the player gets punished, not the organization.

As for the Dodgers, leaving a paper trail is just dumb. As an aside, I always mocked my English teachers' insistence on using active voice, but I guess they are having the last laugh--it would have been less incriminating if the note taker didn't write the key sentence in passive voice...

LOL
:)

I wonder now why he never won any batting titles??? Oh yeah, because he SUCKED. :rolleyes:

The player's union tipped off at least one player on a test....

Rondell White

Hadn't suspected him after seeing him the last two years on the Twins, where there seem to have been no benefits for roids over the last two seasons.

Very disappointed in Paul Lo Duca if all of what I'm reading about him is true. Sounds like the Dodgers knew he was probably juicing, which disappoints me as well, but we don't get the whole story from the 7 lines of text.

Fortunately these websites have never heard of putting things in alphabetical order. It might actually make it easy to look through... :)

Somehow Steve Philips has managed to make himself seem like even more of a tool today.

Is this a big surprise?

"In his book, Sheffield attributed the increase in home runs in Major League Baseball after the 1994 strike to widespread steroid use, and he claimed that at the time he asked the Commissioner to investigate the issue, only to be ignored. Selig denied that he ever received such a request from Sheffield."

Crooks and liars. All of them. Bud Selig is the ringleader.

Steven A. Smith on his show is saying that he never heard Roger Clemens mentioned in regards to steroids before today. Talk about living in a cave. This guy has his own tv/radio show?? Really? I need to send off my pilot episode to ESPN ASAP.

I'm in no way defending Selig, but I'm calling BS here. Sheffield was a user himself and is known to speak out of his ass.

He tried calling Bonds out on the BALCO thing when he was later tied directly to it himself.

Chad Allen

Rick Ankiel

David Bell

Mike Bell

Gary Bennett, Jr.

Larry Bigbie

Kevin Brown

Paul Byrd

Jose Canseco

Mark Carreon

Jason Christiansen

Howie Clark

Roger Clemens

Jack Cust

Brendan Donnelly

Chris Donnels

Lenny Dykstra

Matt Franco

Ryan Franklin

Eric Gagne

Jay Gibbons

Troy Glaus

Jason Grimsley

Jose Guillen

Jerry Hairston

Jerry Hairston, Jr.

Matt Herges

Phil Hiatt

Glenallen Hill

Darren Holmes

Todd Hundley

David Justice

Chuck Knoblauch

Tim Laker

Mike Lansing

Paul Lo Duca

Nook Logan

Josias Manzanillo

Gary Matthews, Jr.

Cody McKay

Kent Mercker

Bart Miadich

Hal Morris

Denny Neagle

Jim Parque

Andy Pettitte

Adam Piatt

Todd Pratt

Stephen Randolph

Adam Riggs

Brian Roberts

John Rocker

F.P. Santangelo

Scott Schoeneweis

David Segui

Mike Stanton

Miguel Tejada

Ismael Valdez

Mo Vaughn

Ron Villone

Fernando Vina

Rondell White

Jeff Williams

Matt Williams

Todd Williams

Steve Woodard

Kevin Young

Gregg Zaun

So, if I read this correctly, Bond isn't implicated by this report?!

/tk

That was a list of non-BALCO names, I believe.

No. These are non-Balco names. Bonds is all over the report.