So can I assume if I sue someone I can still be hired as well? :)

Autumn, I don't like random checks because that serves to disguise voting patterns. However, if people want to double-up (or triple-up, if that is perceived as necessary) on people on a given day to validate results then that makes sense to me. An alternative to doubling up on a given day is to check a person on Day 2 who was also reviewed on Day 1.

One area of concern - it does not sound like the court system is going to be able to hear all of our suits. So our best efforts to cross-check each other may be slowed down by the judicial process.

That is fine with me, fellow Senator, especially as it will not cause a concentration of wealth anywhere in this Senate.

I still believe we should agree on a system of deciding suit matchups to avoid anyone playing games.

I will wait to make a suit to see if anyone else agrees with this idea. But certainly, as Alanus Teeus has said, we need to make sure to check out our prominent members, and possible Consuls.

Correct. This may have been unclear, but you can't represent yourself. Players who do not hire one of the two best lawyers are considered to have hired a generic lawyer.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this game. But, the Roman Yak Monopoly's legal department has suggested a course of action.

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus Sues Ironsus Headus

So no random lawsuits. But as people start to sue, which appears to be our D1 substitute for voting, it would be nice if they gave a reason. Just like it's nice when people give a reason for voting.

Can I sue for the title of best lawyer?

From what I understand, the Consuls can arrest someone and we theoretically could still have a lynch attempt today.

And no. I have no reason for my lawsuit aside from the fact that I want to be richer. Completely selfish reasons.

blah. remembering my roman name is going to kill my posting frequency. so instead of that

DADDYTORGO SUES WVUFAN

I'm open to whoever suing me. I don't have any great wealth and I'm not a traitor, so I have nothing to lose.

oh wow. i missed the flurry of posts there. i'm open to changing my suit

My understanding is if someone is arrested today, they will be voted on tommorrow, not today.

correct

Ah, you're right.

It seems important that we make sure to investigate our most prominent citizens. One of our consuls, Alanus Teeus is already under suit. We should make sure to also sue Westvus Fanus and our Tribune Saldanus Lathumus. After that it would make sense to me to sue the best lawyers in the Rome, as we don't now whether a traitorous lawyer might be able to bend results in their favor.

It seems we're just moving into choosing on our own. So I will sue Westvus Fanus, to ensure that both of our consuls are properly investigated. I am willing to change my suit if someone has a better idea.

Autumnus Leavus Sues Westvus Fanus

Am I missing something -- how is it determined who wins lawsuits?

so far:

KAYUS WHITUS SUES ALANUS TEEUS
ALANUS TEEUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES AUTUMNUS LEAVUS
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus Sues Ironsus Headus
DADDYus TORGOus SUES WESTVUS FANus
Autumnus Leavus Sues Westvus Fanus

I welcome anyone to bring suit against me, as I have nothing to hide and would welcome a minor

Ah, I was confused by DAddyus Torgus' use of these strange Anglo-Saxon names. I see he already sued Westvus FAnus. While we could double up, I would rather cover all citizens of power first.

I will change my suit.

AUTUMNUS LEAVUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS

You are not missing something.

Your other suit will still go forward unless you withdraw it.

I believe that we are in the dark as to how a suit is won or lost. My questions to those who run the judicial system have come back unanswered.

Premature postulation! That should have said:

I welcome anyone to bring suit against me, as I have nothing to hide and would welcome a minor check mark in my favor (when the suit is decided and inevitably indicates I am not a traitor)*.


I have no idea if that's really how it works or if it might just come back as inconclusive, but since I KNOW I'm not a traitor, I am confident that a lawsuit can only help my stature in this regard.

I suppose I willl attempt bringing both of these citizens into the court then. Until we find out there is some backlash to submitting several suits, we might as well cover the territory.

We can sue multiple people?

I thought kwhit was going for the underage for a second. :)

KWhit welcoming a minor, as the father of your house, is something you could do. I know for one I wouldn't judge you (much) for it.

I love you all.


Which is, to say, that I;m reading and thinking, but I have nothing major to contribute, so I am staying silent, but I am here and whatnot.

You can sue as many people as you like. There are practical limits on how many suits the courts can handle each day, though.

While I appreciate the checking of the Consuls, the tribune of the people is a lifetime appointment and as such I guess I feel the need to sue Saldanus.

Barkeepus Valarius Fortynineus hereby issues a complaint against Saldanus Lathumus on behalf of the people of Rome.

I'll also do the obligatory suing. I'll take this action DT. Noone has sued him yet, it apepars.


Anxietus Abeus sues whatever DT's name is. :)

Heh. I have no idea what happened there. I was typing along as fast as I could and all of a sudden half-way through my sentence, the thing gets posted!

I feel that it is my duty as a loyal Roman to continue this. All in the name of the security of Rome, of course.

KAYUS WHITUS SUES WESTVUS FANUS

If somebody wants to continue to compile these, I'd appreciate it:

KAYUS WHITUS SUES ALANUS TEEUS
ALANUS TEEUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES AUTUMNUS LEAVUS
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus Sues Ironsus Headus
DADDYus TORGOus SUES WESTVUS FANus
Autumnus Leavus Sues Westvus Fanus
AUTUMNUS LEAVUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
Ardentus Enthusiastus sues Swaggus Swaggus
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus sues Saldanus Lathamus
ANXIETUS ABEUS SUES DADDYUS TORGOUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES WESTVUS FANUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
KAYUS WHITUS SUES SWAGGUS SWAGGUS

Holy lord.

I am through submitting lawsuits. I wanted to have one on each of the most powerful men in Rome.

I hope that doing that might get me some valuable information, but who knows?

Kayus Whitus is a man on a mission. Do you need a good lawyer?

Bring it on! :)

I like the idea of running with law suits, especially at the low end of the money food chain. I will point out, once wealthy Senators start losing money or any of us start losing law suits, it is gonna piss somebody off and then things will start getting heated.

I've thought about putting out alot of lawsuits to try to get more information as well. The reasons I held off on it was:

1) Wanted to see who would sue whom and with what reasoning.
2) Wanted to see who wasn't going to sue anyone even when there were people (or perhaps powerful people even) who didn't have any lawsuits on them.
3) Not sure what the negative consequences of a failed lawsuit are
4) Not sure how many lawsuits the court can handle in a day just yet.

Hmm. A thought hath occured to me. Can we have several people buy the other services today, in the hopes that whatever info they receive post-purchase can shed some light on just what the hell some of those do?

I have no qualm with that.

I had tried to get some conversation started on those services earlier, but no one else joined in. My guess is people are holding their cards close to their vest and are planning on getting some of those services, thus don't want to talk about them too much.

Which I think is a bad, bad idea. Once we get further along and learn who is important, and who is, well, not, we *need* a good working knowledge of the tools we have to protect them and/or snuff out the traitors. Since none of us can really say for sure what those things do (some of them are pretty obvious sounding, but others are not), I think the early days are our best opportunity to get that info. It's not like any of us can justify saying "But I NEED the Horse Seller today!" this early.

I think I'm a little late on the suing bandwagon, the main people have been covered and I don't want to clog the system until we get a better handle on how many cases can actually go through. I have no problem with trying out one of the services though.

Well as for the jobs, I still have curiosity to what some of them do..

Like I said previously I can take a guess what the legionarres do.. I assume some kind of bodyguard role. If so though, what does the former warlord do? Is perhaps he the bodyguard, and the legionarres are some lesser form of bodyguard? Maybe not necessarily 100% bodyguard? Could perhaps there be some purchasable assassin type character that you could hire, and the warlord is that?

What would the sex slaves do if you hire them? I mean, I like women as much as the next guy but I am uncertain what they could do to help us further the cause of the republic? Perhaps some form of limited witness role?

I also wonder what the horse dealers or the priest would do for us.. In the case of the horse dealers, you would want a horse to either improve your movement speed, or to move heavier baggage? I don't have any ideas of how either of those would help anyone here in the Senate at all. Also not sure how one's religious convictions would play a part on if someone was loyal to the republic or treasonous so not sure where the Priest fits in.

I like what the Warlord says. I'll go ahead and announce this. I will be trying to obtain the services of Gallus Clarus.

Grammaticus Atticus sues Autumnus Leavus

He is one wealth scale above me, so likely cannot hire a better lawyer than me, hopefully increasing my chances of winning and gaining some wealth. In that group, he has made some comments about randomizing the suing process, which could be an attempt to hide the trail of the traitors among us. Seems like a good candidate right now.

My guess on the services are:

ex-legionnaire - likely a chance to kill someone or protect you. Killing for power, etc. was pretty common in those days
dealer in sex slaves - maybe it affords you a chance to block someone else for the day, role/action blocker
affiliated w/priesthood - maybe a seer or soothsayer attempt
warlord of gaul - assassin or bodyguard who kills an attacker (berserker like)
owner of horses - lets you escape an action against you

I don't mind being sued, and I'm not going to attempt to hire a laywer. But for clarification, I don't know if your reasoning makes sense. I think being at a higher wealth level would let me hire a better lawyer. Right?

That makes sense to me. If we each agree to pursue a service and then relate to the Senate what happened, we will know a lot more.

I will attempt to hire the services of one of the horse traders and report on my success.

Well, there are only 2 named lawyers and st.cronin said all the rest are generic. That implies equal skill. I would say with greater than 2 of the top tier wealth senators getting sued, the 2 named laywers will not be available to the second wealth tier. Therefore, I do not think anyone sued in that second tier will have an advantage in quality of representation.

I would tend to agree with this analysis. It seems like I'm stupid if I don't bid on a service, but am having a great deal of trouble deciding which one to do giving my somewhat middling/below average wealth.

I have bid on the services of a horse trader.

I'm okay with the lawsuit against me from the perspective that I have nothing to hide. At this time though I am leaning towards not randomly suing anyone myself until I have more information regarding the following things:

a) How are lawsuits won and lost (random.org?)?
b) What are the negative consequences of suing someone and losing?

We aren't going to have any answers to those questions until at least the second day. For all I know I could currently be the 4th wealthiest man in Rome, which would put me in an excellent position to acquire services and aid the Republic. It makes perfect sense for information gathering purposes for the Senators of ordinary wealth to sue the people in power because even if they lose, the village doesn't lose anything.

late check in..... one of the wealthiest in rome

KWhit issued a barrage of lawsuits...could he be trying to clog the court? just a thought

i'll go for the pleasurable women if no one else wants to. spend some of my limited cash there. at least i'll get some good fun out of it

I've placed a bid with the priest.

Geez. Lawsuits. Complicated stuff. Whatever happened back when it was a simple game of werewolf?

What do these guys do?

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses

and of course,
Swaggus Swaggus
Ardentus Enthusiastus

For Roman Senators, we sure are clueless about EVERYTHING everyone else does. Well, I know I am.

Ok, so we sue each other, then what happens? How do they work? How do you win? lose? Etc.?

Bah. I'm suing Barkeep.

NEON CHAOS sues BARKEEP

How do we weed out the baddies?

methinks st. cronin rushed this game out too early. :)

PEREGRINUS sues PATH12

Might as well get the ball rolling with the lawsuits.

Also, I'd like to say that without any information, I'd look at the consuls arresting anyone as very suspicious at this point.

I'm bothered with these last two lawsuits presented without reason.

Would you like to sue them for it? Need a good lawyer? :)

Nope. Just trying to gain information.

As I said earlier, I welcome lawsuits (or seer scans, if they are available). I'm loyal to Rome.

Why's the bother Barkeep? I've announced multiple times that suing everyone is the way to win. We have to find the traitors, and that seems to be the best way.

This brings up the old "lynch to gain information" argument. I would have to believe that the Tarqs have some way to be able to thin the herd. As Romans, the only way we have a chance to catch a Tarq is to throw them off the cliff. We can't do that without them first being arrested. So if the consuls don't issue an arrest warrant, then there is no chance for us to execute a Tarq.

I would expect there are ways to gain information outside of voting records - potentially through lawsuits, probably through the services for hire - but do we want for those results to come in and then go through a two-day process to remove the clearly identified Tarq?

If we don't like the two people they arrest, then we don't have to issue a vote, correct? Going from memory, a majority needs to vote for a candidate for him to splash into the water at the end of the "cycle" (not day or night, going to take some time to get used to that).

From Cronin, post #2:

The lawsuits will be resolved on their merits. I believe the only thing random.org needs to be consulted for is if the Tribune post should become empty.

I will not allow such scare tactics stand in my way of presenting people before the senate for judgement. If the Senate declares there to be not enough proof of treason to throw an arrested senator off of the rock, then that is the voice of the people. I shall not stand dormant in my elected post when the people expect action.



I apologize, but I must have missed where you said this multiple times before I brought up the idea. I apologize for taking credit for your great idea!

In case anyone is missing my tongue in cheek response to the last part of my last post.. this was the day 1 interaction between us. :)

What's the deal Alan T? I wasn't taking credit for anyone's idea, I just stated that I had said before that we should start suing everyone.

And yes, I can see how you'd need to leave out my last post of our interaction, post #39, where I stated:

"With so many people it will take a while, but we could just keep suing everyone until treason is revealed."

Don't mind me, its just my natural cynicism showing. :) I mostly just object to your comments that appear to be trying to stall the senate from finding treacherous members. My arresting someone does not throw anyone off of the rock, so the only bad move on my part would be inaction. Your comment states the exact opposite of my belief.

If some of the veterans are feeling disoriented, well, that was one of my goals in designing this game. :)

I never said that you didn't say it! Just alot of people seem to be making claim to the idea! :) Just my natural distrust of anyone who jumps on one of my ideas immediately. :)

No, what I am saying is that unless it is revealed that the traitors have some way of killing us (which they might, but because of the lack of rules we have no idea) we should proceed along the safest possible course, which is lawsuits. If people start dying then of course we are welcome to consider executing people, but before that, why would we do so without need, when we can discover the enemies through lawsuits?

woot woot

Figured I would publish some info on the Tarquinians I found at Wikipedia. A little lesson in ancient Roman history ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Tarquinius_Superbus

Just my opinion, st. cronin, but I feel like you should have provided more information if that is the case. Right now we have so little information that I can't help but feel the rules are broken, especially in the case of the mysterious services that no one knows anything about.

You can disorient people plenty and still have a full ruleset, IMO.

Patience grasshopper.

Umm... I think KWhit got there before you with the ball rolling. :p

The suing thing seems like the way to go, but we're now going to have to sit and wait to see how many cases are tried a day and what exactly happens with these things. I'd be surprised if it's a super effective way of finding the wolfies but we might get lucky and for want of any better information then it's the right way to go.

I've only got limited computer/interynet access until tomorrow morning (my time - ie middle of the night for you lot). I haven't really had time to read everything through carefully and, looking at the clock, I'm not really going to have time to do so.

As stated before I will be looking to vote for people who don't seem to be contributing much for the first three days or so, irrespective of who looks guilty. In big games like this it seems that the safest course for the wolfies is to avoid the spotlight and let the villagers who actually say something build up a case against each other based on that. So if you want to avoid my super-powerful 4% of the vote (or whatever it is) then say lots.

PS. Is this Marc "Sports Interactive" Vaughan Passa is filling in for? Scratch what I said then, I know who I'm voting for. He's, almost literally, forced me to lose months of valuable time playing C/FM.

I'm staying out of this lawsuit mess. Honestly, I doubt that we're going to be allowed to game the game quite this easily. Feel free to sue me; it will be no loss, as I am the vanilla's vanilla. However, for now I'm going to let everyone else have it at while I try to slowly figure out what the heck is going on.

The wolfs must be very embarrassed to have their cause linked to someone called Tarquin. :D Not exactly the coolest villain name out there.

This is a better way of saying about what I'm thinking right now.

Cronin, are these lawsuits retractable?

If they aren't, we might not want to generate a giant backlog in case we have a better reason to file lawsuits later...also, there are negative consequences involved to losing lawsuits, so I wouldn't want all the good guys to go too lawsuit crazy, because it will either show who is okay with backlash or, if we keep generating lawsuits, who feels they are too valuable to risk the backlash.

Unless someone actually hires the lawyers though, they won't get their representation. I would certainly like to hear it if anyone is planning on hiring a lawyer to defend themselves. I'm not.

Feel free to sue me back Barkeep. It was just a stab in the dark.

Awesome. Clearly mine will be seen first.

A suit can be withdrawn any time before it goes to the courts. To explain how this works, I will give an example:

player A sues player B on day 1

day 1 deadline, the courts announce they will hear player A's suit against player B on day 2

At that point, you may no longer withdraw the suit.

Can you fail to show up for your court appearance?

Are bench warrants issued?

Can I sue for more rules?

no, no, and no

:p

Can I increase my rates?

I object!

I still plan on finding someone to arrest, and allow the senate be the voice on whether or not someone is suspicious or not. If you find that suspicious, then thats fine with me. Maybe you will be lucky and be the one arrested and actually have a reason to find it suspicious if you are actually innocent :)

How about the NPCs? Can I sue them? :)

YOU'RE out of order!