My wife said she's just trying to drum up more votes. This will definitely help her street-cred.

:D

At least she knows how to re-register to vote if she gets convicted of a felony.

True communism is a left-leaning viewpoint -- which in itself isn't a bad thing, since a majority of people who say "communism is bad" is referring to what the Soviet Union had as a government, which wasn't communism, but rather socialism. Two different things, and two radically different styles of government.

:D

Drudge is reporting that the whole incident is on video (that's probably true considering it would be hard for it not to be at the Capital) and that the police are waiting for Congress to adjourn to arrest her (that is a maybe).

And, if I'm not mistaken, Fascism is a right-leaning viewpoint.

For whatever that is worth...

I would argue that the Soviet Union wasn't truely just Socialism either, but as I said earlier in the thread, that's a whole seperate conversation.

You know, I don't really see anyone defending her, just someone asking for proof of the attack. That is not a defense it's simply one of the pillars of critical thinking. It's something I wish more people would do and we wouldn't need sites like snopes but since it's much easier to sling out accusations and then attack anyone who questions those, the world is in the situation it is today.

I couldn't give a rats who's right about who here. I simply couldn't. I do care that nothing I've read has at all addressed the accusations or done anything to enlighten the issue. I only care about that because there seems to be some effort to do just that and those who know even less about the issue are just chirping in their attacks and making the entire thread unreadable.

I don't actually aim that at skydog. He's correct, I am aware of his bias, never gave a squat and looked at his post like I believe he meant it. I don't think Mr Bigglesworth does. Once he questioned it, the others jumping in are just exhibiting why I will continue to believe that human beings are the worst mistake on this planet and secretly await the day that nature wipes us out.

It's one thing not to have the ability, but when you have a brain and a voice, for the sake of humanity, try using the former before engaging the latter if you're being serious at all.

Now, as for McKinney, she's not my rep so I don't care where she falls on the scale. Everything I've read about her has basically been on here and do paint her as a loon but now, considering that no one is backing up any of the allegations just saying "everybody knows she's a loon" I feel that it's probably not so and simply another attempt by the unthinking to seem smart by jumping on the pileup and saying "I'M RIGHT, SEE!!!!"

Anyway, I'm outta here and on my way home. Just wanted to finish this thread before I go and had to interject the argument for proper communication. Hate to pick on Dutch but he's acting the unthinking part here and I know it doesn't fit him normally so here goes.

The whole juvenile master debater crack doesn't hit at the person you're attacking Dutch, it belittles the entire attempt by a person to express their thoughts to others and have a dialog that has any meaning. It basically boils any critical thinking down into a disparaging "why bother with facts and logic, just be a dumbass and agree with me" and that is the sickest, worst concept in my mind. Unfortunately enough people ignore logic like yours and perservere so the species continues to let mindless drones breed like rabbits and think like amoebas and expect the ones they mock to bail their butts out for the sake of the species.

Wow, thanks, I haven't really had a good I hate humans rant in a long time and it really feels good to be able to have one again. :D

This has been fun.

Ummmm...what accusations? That she's a nut? See article on her hitting the policeman today.

Yes it is, again using a correct definition.



Not in the strictest sense, but it certainly wasn't communism. Has anyone actually read The Communist Manifesto?

BTW, are you basically saying you hate all people and wish them destroyed because people wouldn't debate an asinine point in a message board thread the way you want them to? You have a lower threshold of hate than most klansmen.

lol w/ GrantDawg

lol @ anybody taking this thread seriously

You hear the latest about Tom Brady?

Totally agree about the communism thing. I'm guessing you didn't see or forgot because it was days ago that I said the same exact thing ;)... I am probably one of the few people in this thread that has read it ;)... when i get time, i'm starting a thread on this ;)...

I completely missed it. Went back and read the post, and I completely agree with you -- it seems a great number of people misunderstand the meaning of true communism.

Isn't it true that there is a secondary, non-technical meaning of 'communist' which would be something like 'too ideologically liberal to be trusted with authority'?

Not trying to be snooty or funny, it just seems the word is used that way. There was a time when to label somebody 'communist' meant 'anti-american,' but that usage has largely faded away.

Not sure if I agree with the "too liberal to be trusted ..." definition, but it certainly was used during the McCarthy era to note someone was anti-American. Oddly enough, McCarthy used fascist tactics during that time, so calling someone a communist is somewhat ironic, in a way. Fascism and the "Soviet" form of socialism bear more than a resemblance to one another.

In addition to what WVUFan said, I would actually argue that many of the people in today's American culture that throw around "communist" do mean anti-american...

I agree there are cases where it does mean that; it just seems to me that particular meaning is fading away.

dola

probably because of the end of the cold war

...including Rep. McKinney?

You'll never guess who's birthday is March 29. Sen. Eugene McCarthy, I kid you not.

**cue Twilight Zone music**

Well-played, sir!

More from the AJC on this incident. This could get quite fun.


The Boortz show starts in a few moments. I don't listen to him every day, but I wouldn't miss this one. Definitely a silver lining to still being stuck at home sick. Today oughta be FUNNNNN!!! Listen live at http://www.wsbradio.com if you want. With this kind of material, he should be quite entertaining.

The two hairstyles:

Rep. Cynthia McKinney has altered her hairstyle since her House photo was taken, aides say, perhaps causing the error.

Just turned Boortz on, hoping I didn't miss him talking about this.

Surprisingly, he hasn't said much yet besides a brief mention, and Royal made a joke about wanting to hit someone in traffic with his cell phone, "since that appears to be the weapon of the day." I wonder if they're waiting until 10AM when he goes national through syndication.

Ah. He's about to talk about. Sounds like he's gonna pick on Ol' Billy some, too. Just commented that "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

They just made another quick reference...

You know, as a fan of talk radio, I'm really not a big fan of Boortz.

Ah....it makes sense. He just teased it now, and he'll begin the discussion after the next break, probably so that it bleeds over on to the national portion of the show.

LOL. Did Billy really threaten to STAB a fellow member on the Georgia House floor?

I still question how you couldn't recognize her. She is the only person I've ever seen that her jaw literally unhinges.

Accounts of that incident vary. Billy himself denied the charge, telling reporters at the time (1995 I think it was) that "I don't carry a knife, I carry a gun."

Man, looks like she hit the all you can eat buffet a few times since that photo was taken.

Well, that's part of the discussion on the Boortz show--that she's gained weight and changed her hairstyle. FWIW, she looks a good bit bigger in that photo than she did when I had my encounter with her. (Going to do a thread search to see when that was...)

Wow. December 9th.

Well, that hadn't been posted when I was replying. I still haven't had time to read it as my only internet connection is here at work. From what I saw on television though it appears a case of elected official arrogance and being caught by surprise. Stupid? Sure but a sign of her being a nut? Not so much.

Fact is, there is nothing but anectdotal evidence, presented by people with bias on this thread. Amusing, sure but not really convincing. Not that the thread was set up for that purpose but still.



You got me. Years of trying to come to terms with how people treat each other was predicated on the fact that one day in the future, on a message board, I'd see a thread that so affected me it changed my very past.

Hmm, on second thought, no, that's not it.

My problem with people, which is illustrated in this page is how we generally treat people who make an attempt to think logically. Now, people don't have much ability to change the brains they were born with but everyone has the ability to use what they have more effectively and I believe that's a good thing.

Many don't. Those are the people that are at the root of my disdain. In Athens, when Socrates tried to get the citizenry to think more effectively they killed him. Now, we just ridicule and try to shame people into zombiehood. Why?

Well, it seems to me that there is a vested interest in keeping people stupider than you. It's a matter of control. If you can keep others at a lower footing in using their brains you can keep a level of superiority on them. Again, it's not IQ, it's using what you have. It's how the con artist scams his victims, many of which are "smart". Course they are, but they're not thinking and the con man is. It's a built in bias and to me, anyone who engages in this is knowingly exploiting his fellow man for his own gains.

I happen to despise this and despise it more because it tends to Harrison Bergeron folks in that the level tends to sink rather than rise and it seems to me to be anti progress. I tend to get upset when I see situations like this occur and it's happening on this thread. It seems pretty humiliating to the species in general when it's done so obviously and yet we see the victims revelling in bovinellike bliss while they're being taken advantage of, simply because being challenged is hard and being told you're peachy keen in your ignorance is so damned easy and fulfilling. It's irritating.

Now, to go beyond this thread, I noticed a troubling trend in politics. The republican party is actually trying to demonize the word "intellectual" and those who try and think. Their reason is simple, they are the party in power and again, as long as they are, it's easier to maintain that power if they keep those who elect them stupid and happy, even if it's akin to Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

The democrats have tried similar "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die" is one of the most heinous qoutes I've ever heard uttered for example. If the leaders want to try and pull this kind of crap, fine but when the sheeple start buying it en mass it's really frustrating. As I wrote before though, they'll mock these people that are "different" but they'll sure as heck run to them for their needs. No point here but just to explain a line I wrote earlier.

So, this is way too long but I believe that your point needed addressing and it is why my buttons were pushed. It isn't the thread subject nor is it the banter in the thread but I see the dangerous slipping into mediocrity and it's actually extremely one sided in this thread, and it's being done by those who should be well aware of what they're doing ( including the mocking of anyone challenging their attacks like I did ) and well, yeah, if this is where the species is heading and wants to head then I see no real reason for them to continue to exist.

This is extremely different from the klan though in that I wouldn't mind all life being erradicated, not pick and choose among people. My position also was derived by legitimate concern for the species. Heck, if I wanted to, I could easily use the tactics above and would be living a much more comfortable life. I feel my position is consistant. I do my best to try and combat this and win a few, lose a few. I don't plan to stop until I'm dead and buried.

But when I see the total futility of the effort it's frustrating and I certainly do hate the species. Not individuals, I've said that many times, but the entire mess of us. I really wonder what it is that makes us worthy of existence beyond the obvious one that I'm part of the species. Sometimes that isn't enough.

Lastly, don't think I sit here working myself into a lather over this. It's just a venting of feelings and that's fairly healthy considering I'm not aiming it at anyone in particular and live the exact opposite of these feelings. I think it's a healthy release thus the thanking everyone and the smileys.

Anyway, that explains that. :)

That's a psuedo-jeffy: nobody here is defending her, per se, I've mentioned a couple times that she very well could be a communist that got plowed by James Baker. I just noted the lack of evidence to the charges, and the vapidness of the argument. Fine by me if that is your thing, but in this case the poster acts all sanctimonious and starts banning people just when a thread has a liberal title. Like someone before mentioned, if this thing was written about Bush it would have its title changed at least, and most likely be closed. Everyone knows it, I was just pointing it out.

As they say, if you call the tune...

This is off topic a little bit but its something I think about every time a see anything about Cynthia Mckinney.

I work as a police officer in Dekalb County and the year that Denise Magette beat McKinney for congress (I think it was 2002), several officers from my watch had to go to the next precent over, to Denise Magette's campaign headquarters off Memorial Drive (aka. Cynthia Mckinney Pkwy...not joking), to help put down a near riot on election day.

What happened was, that on election day Denise Magette had offered 75.00 dollars cash to anyone who would stand on the side of the road, street corners, and such with campaign signs to support her. These folks started early in the morning and did this all day till about 9:00pm. At the end of the day the roughly 200 people who did this came to the campaign headquarters to get paid. The problem started when the office only had enough cash to pay, something like, the first 20 people. Needless to say the rest of the folks were not happy and that is when the police were called.

I remember standing there thinking how dirty that was and hoping that, if that was the way Denise Magette conducted business, that she not win the election.

We had just about calmed down and dispersed the crowd when we got called to leave there and go to south precinct to help them with the exact same thing going on at Cynthia Mckinney's campaign headquarters.

Both Magette and McKinney had placated the crowds by offering IOU's to the people that they couldn't pay. I couldn't help but wonder if those people (especially the folks who worked for McKinney since she lost) ever got paid. After that night I didn't really care for either one of them and wondered if that is the way American politicians operate in general.

But the reason no one tried to argue that she is a communist is because no one actually believes she is an actual commie. It is hyperbole (as I pointed out earlier). And the whole "if it were Bush it would have to be changed" has been addressed too. Prove it. More right-wing nuts have been banned in the history of the board than left-wing nuts. A thread was started just to "prove" that the thread would be locked or the person banned. Neither happened. This crying persecution complex looks no better on you than on Franklinoble.

I doubt it.

In most places they would have needed to pay up front ;)

You still aren't getting it. I know it's just name calling (or 'hyperbole' if you want to use an intelligent sounding word for it). My point is that these kind of threads are more worthless than some legitimate discussions that get pushed aside for political reasons, left or right. I'm not the great liberal defender that you would like me to be. I have said the same things regarding the capsicum incident and Bubba Wheels posts.

Didnt i(a convervative) just get blasted for saying a comment ms. clinton said was stupid, and not even her being stupid? Liberals need to get off their imaginary cross of persecution and realize its quite fair...

dola, and the discussion of worthless threads should never enter FOFC again...ive seen like 1 worthwhile thread this MONTH....

In your opinion, these threads are worthless without some sort of discussion. In my opinion, threads like these can be fun without all the "holier-than-thou" rhetoric.

link please, cause I missed it

Your 100 dollar bill thread.

...or, perhaps it is a little play on her nickname. ;)

Potential good news in the AJC this morning:

Gee, that last section is a shocker. I can't believe ol' Cynthia played the race card.

I wanna run for Congress, anyone want to vote for me?

Good Lord. That last story is an example of why she is such a joke. If a white but unknown congressman came through the Capital with camera crews, does she really believe he wouldn't be stopped? I can guarentee that if I came through the halls of the Capital with a camera crew I would be stopped. There is no doubt in my mind that racism still exists, and it exists in many that wear badges, but her little persecution thing because she believes she is above everybody else is ridiculous.

Are you running against Cynnnnthia?

Anyone else a little disturbed that members of Congress don't have to go through security like everyone else. Do they think they're better than the rest of us?

Oh wait...

Got this from a source in the Capitol police, and I see Jonah Goldberg on the Corner's hearing the same thing. Apparently the higher ups in the Capitol Police are encouraging the officer who was struck to NOT file charges, while the rank and file officers are encouraging the officer TO file charges.

Higher ups usually win in cases like this, but I'm guessing there are going to be lots of disgruntled cops on the Hill as a result.

She had a news conference scheduled for 11am today. It hasn't happened yet.

I kinda figured that was the situation, given the mixed signals about whether there were charges & then the statement of support from the union rep, it seemed likely to me that it would go down about this way.

I don't have any problem with that. I'm pretty sure that at some point in the process all Congressmen get some sort of security screening by, I don't know, the FBI or the Secret Service or somebody.

I could be wrong, but I've always had that impression.

I bet she skips out of DC before the cops can detain her. Then shows up in some big rally in GA talking about how they were trying to lynch her, or something to that effect.

This appears to be the reason why:

hxxp://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article_wxia.aspx?storyid=78068


I got a laugh out of the above bolded and italicized part.

I guess they had a premonition.

Gah. apparently the press conference will be at 5:30... and Danny Glover will be by her side.

Yeah, this is fucking absurd. I understand the frustration at some level of apparently being scrutinized more than you feel you deserve because of race (it was real fun as a brown guy with a beard travelling one month after 9/11, what with the "three" random searches. :D ), but hitting a policeman because of this ? That's horseshit. There seems to be a lot of pressure on the ffficer not to press charges.

He was going to be there at 11, but couldn't find a cab.

I heard he was stuck on a toilet.

At this point, I say not only charge her, but charge her with the felony, just on general principle.

I thought he was getting too old for this activist shit.

:D

The race card is now in FULL effect. Oh, and, based on this picture, I would not have recognized her at all. The "Cutest Little Communist In Congress" is no longer cute... (from USA Today's web site)

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My god. This woman is a train wreck. Calling her a communist is an insult to all communists.

The phrase "barking lunatic" comes to mind at the moment...

An apt phrase indeed.

I think I'll just leave it to you to explain why the REAL fun hasn't even started yet.

Who do you think her daddy is going to blame?

Although his current target seems to be "the Gay leadership"
http://sovo.com/2006/3-24/news/localnews/
but my money says he goes back to his former favorite target before this one is over.

Fascinating link, SkyDog.

Oh, it's obvious who the real culprit in this is.

Jews. J-E-W-S.

Riggggggggghhhhttt :rolleyes:

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Hold on a second. What comments make her a 'barking lunatic'? The worst I have seen is that she is insinuating that because she is black she gets harassed more than normal. It's my understanding that there aren't a lot of black, female members of Congress. So seeing a black female trying to skirt security might look a little suspicious at first. And let's face it, judging by her picture, she doesn't look like the typical member of Congress. I don't know if I would call her a 'ghetto slut' like Boortz and SkyDog want to do, but I can see how it may have been due to her race. We all have our prejudices. I haven't read everything in the story though, so I could be wrong.

Still though, that's not to say that she was right in striking the officer. Does a story say where she hit him? Like, was it a slap across the arm when he grabbed her, or a punch in the face?

Yes, if you change your prior link to a text search and not an image search you get more results. I suppose it's my fault that you screwed up the link, though :rolleyes:

Yeah, i got nothing off of that link earlier.

I didn't screw up the link. The image search gets a result, too.

Why are you linking to a google image search?

I wonder ... am I the only person who gets the disturbing visual of Billy in a cheerleader costume when that quote comes up?

{shivers}

It's a safe image, from a safe news/commentary magazine (albeit a very liberal one). What's the problem?

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STOP IT!!! STOP!!!



{Shudders}

Like others have said, there is nothing there. What is the GIS bringing up for you?

I must be accessing google through http://www.google.cn/, because I am getting no results from that link, or even when I type it in myself.

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Heh. That's straight-up weird. Could it be possible that I'm getting the Creative Loafing image because I'm in metro Atlanta? No idea... Checking on other computer now...

Yeah....it came up on my other machine...checking the Treo now...

Hmmm, I wonder if this is one of those Google "features" that is based on location?

Well, it comes up on my Treo, too, but I just realized that isn't a good test. I use Cingular, and their headquarters is about 8 miles from me. :p

Wouldn't seeing anybody trying to skirt security look suspicious or am I misunderstanding you that you are under the impression that white people can skirt security with no suspicion?

The Capital walls are white, so apparently we blend in better.

heybrad.

I guess what I said can be taken that way, but what I mean is that if you see an old white man trying to get in congress and a younger looking black female that SkyDog pointed out looks like a 'ghetto slut' (not the terminology I would use), many people would naturally be more suspicious of the latter, if only because the former fits the stereotype of a congressman more than the latter. That type of stereotyping has been backed up in countless research studies. I'm not saying that the policeman did act differently for her, I'm just saying that it wouldn't be unheard of for that to be the case. Of course, it's probably impossible to prove either way unless you really knew the guy. In any case, it wouldn't of been appropriate for her to punch the guy, if it was a punch that was thrown.

Are you white, Mr. Bigglesworth? If you are, then lets do an experiment. Go to Washington wearing your best suit and then try to walk through the security barriers. Go ahead. As a matter of fact, just to make it interesting, make sure to carry a gun with you. And a card saying you want to kill the President.

My guess is the police stop anyone they do not recognize when they try to skirt security whether they are young or old, male or female, black, white, blue or green. I do not deny in any way racism exist, but this was not racism. This is a highly inflated ego and very small grasp on reality.

And for the record, my google search comes up exactly like Skydog's. It must be a regional thing.

You go from making a guess in your first statement to being absolutely sure what happened in your last statements. Which is it?

Strawman? I wasn't making an arguement, I was suggesting an experiment. Now you do your part and see what happens.

You are saying that my argument is that because she is black she got stopped by security, while a white person could walk right through. That's obviously not my argument, which makes your attack a strawman.

I'm saying that because she is a black female, that security MAY have thought she was more of a threat and was handled with more caution and rougher than would be the case for an old white man. I do not know if that is the case, but it is not un-heard of. Like you admit, racism is alive everywhere.

Regardless of all of this, it is no excuse to strike a law enforcement official. Period. End of story.

I agree, but I'm still not sure what the 'strike' was or if she even knew it was a police officer.

I was just pointing out that you can't say she is a 'barking loon' or whatever for saying her race was a factor, she may be wrong or right.