Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 1878880)

Saying that black people are voting for Obama solely because he's black

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1878876)

Didn't say there was anything "wrong" with it or whatever. Just saying that a claim that there isn't a significant role played by Obama's race with black voters is so laughable that it boggles the mind.

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1878873)

and I guess thats my question.

Is there a signifigantly higher number of blacks voting Obama for no other reason then the color of his skin? Blacks who ordinarily wouldn't have voted at all.

And if that is the case, do people find that disturbing.

Originally Posted by Another klinglerware post

Well, to test this theory quickly with the fewest confounds, we should look at the exit poll data in races where a black republican ran against a white democrat (since historically, black voters tend to vote overwhelmingly democratic--looking at the elections of black democrats would introduce correlation between that candidate being black and that candidate being a democrat). We would compare how the black vote split in that race vs a control race (ideally, another statewide race same state, same year).

Unfortunately, there aren't a lot examples of black republicans running for major statewide office (e.g., US Senate or State Governor). But one recent example is Maryland Senate 2006, Cardin vs Steele).

First the black voting percentages for the "control" group, the Maryland Governor's race of the same year:

Black Voters Supporting the White Democrat: 84%
Black Voters Supporting the White Republican: 15%

Now for the "test" race, the Maryland Senate Race:

Black Voters Supporting the White Democrat: 74%
Black Voters Supporting the Black Republican: 25%


So, it does seem likely that the Black Republican in that race (Steele) got a significant boost from black voters who did not vote for the white republican in the other statewide race that year. However, even in the Steele-Cardin race, black voters still voted for the democrat with a 3-1 margin. So, the more significant conclusion we can draw here is that black voters will for the most part still vote on party loyalty and issues over "racial loyalty".

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1878877)

Hadn't heard that one before.

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1878882)

I'll bite.

No more disturbing than say, the legions of whites who'll vote for McCain because he represents all that is great and decent about this country. (read: he's white)

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1878862)

Gee, didn't know this was going to be one of my biggest controversial comments of the day. I personally am fairly moderate and it is pretty tough finding a station that has no slant ever. Most of the stations in my mind lean left (as I feel msnbc does somewhat).. but it annoys me far less than CNN or FOX both of which seem to have horrible slants to them. Even though msnbc seems to lean left in my mind, they still have had quite a large amount of positive McCain coverage and comments all day today..

I haven't found a station that is more moderate to my liking yet.. (and no Fox is not it.. they are just as bad as CNN but in the opposite direction)

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1878894)

I resent the "I'll bite" comment.

I think I was clear I was curious about peoples opinions. I'm not looking to bait anyone into any kind of argument.

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69 (Post 1878887)

Any ideas about when early voting ballots will be counted? Have they already been counted in most states, and that data will be available after poll closing? Or will they be counted last, or in concert with the other results in most areas? Just wondering how soon we will know exactly how early voting went in those states that have it.

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1878200)

Obviously we must encounter different liberals.

I run into more here (Georgia, not FOFC) who couldn't spell "drill" nor find Alaska on the map.

Case in point was the charming lady in line with my wife & I that we patiently helped understand how "all this voting stuff" worked; i.e.
"No, you're not required to vote for every office if you don't want to",
"Yes, you're allowed to vote only for President",
"This? It's called a sample ballot, it just shows you what you're going to see when you get inside"

And no, I didn't make any of those up.

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 1878884)

Never underestimate the stupidity of an average voter.

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 1878896)

Keep to yourself next time....Stupid Mets fan ;)

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1878877)

:confused:

Hadn't heard that one before. Would that make FOX = Fascists on Xtascy?

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 1878895)

My wife takes a different approach. She watches Fox to get the right leaning slant and MSNBC to get the left leaning slant so she can see things from both polarized viewpoints (she doesn't care for CNN).

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 1878895)

My wife takes a different approach. She watches Fox to get the right leaning slant and MSNBC to get the left leaning slant so she can see things from both polarized viewpoints (she doesn't care for CNN).

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1878894)

I resent the "I'll bite" comment.

I think I was clear I was curious about peoples opinions. I'm not looking to bait anyone into any kind of argument.

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1878905)

the above was sarcasim

Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 1878911)

Come on! Everyone knows that Werewolves are all about biting!

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1878903)

lol, your probably correct.

I hope DC forgives me for sticking my nose where he thinks it doesn't belong.

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1878883)

Yeah.. I really am scratching my head reading replies from people to my comments. I really have a difficult time trying to understand when people are saying things they actually believe and when they just have an agenda they are pushing.

You asked for opinions and I gave mine.. so far I've had MSNBC on for several hours today and haven't been driven to change it because of it driving me crazy. For the most part all day, it has been fairly equal point and counter point with both sides fairly well represented.

Maybe some of MSNBC's political commentators that give their opinions on issues are far left, but they haven't been on much at all today and it has mostly been various members of Democrat or Republican sides giving talking points as well as news coverage.

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1878920)

It was the way it was phrased that made me think it was aimed as a thiny veiled race bait.

Originally Posted by MIJB#19 (Post 1878867)

Sounds plausible, guys. Nothing shocking compared to what 'America correspondents' usually claim.

Any ideas when first reasonable results/predictions can be expected?

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1878937)

get over yourself then. Originaly I was being sarcastic but now I am offended ( as offended as one can be on an internet message board). Go through my 17K posts and find me one that even shows a borderline hint of racisim.

That the kind of shit that pisses me off ( as pissed off as you can get on an internet message board). Excuse me for being a white person wanting to have an adult discussion about a black persons motivations.

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1878937)

Go through my 17K posts and find me one that even shows a borderline hint of racisim.

Originally Posted by timmynausea (Post 1878949)

(Insert joke about the disturbing number of times the word "lynch" appears in Lathum's 17,000 posts.)

Originally Posted by timmynausea (Post 1878932)

I'd be shocked if Palin was a real contender.

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 1878794)

Brown Goes Down? I heard about that one on the New York Times website. It has to be good.

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs (Post 1878965)

Or so the liberal media elites would have you believe.

(p.s. And the times had it as "Goes Down Brown")

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1878862)

Gee, didn't know this was going to be one of my biggest controversial comments of the day. I personally am fairly moderate and it is pretty tough finding a station that has no slant ever. Most of the stations in my mind lean left (as I feel msnbc does somewhat).. but it annoys me far less than CNN or FOX both of which seem to have horrible slants to them. Even though msnbc seems to lean left in my mind, they still have had quite a large amount of positive McCain coverage and comments all day today..

I haven't found a station that is more moderate to my liking yet.. (and no Fox is not it.. they are just as bad as CNN but in the opposite direction)

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1878873)

and I guess thats my question.

Is there a signifigantly higher number of blacks voting Obama for no other reason then the color of his skin? Blacks who ordinarily wouldn't have voted at all.

And if that is the case, do people find that disturbing.

Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo (Post 1878967)

Those numbers don't look good for Saxby. He'll do well to avoid a runoff.

Originally Posted by Klinglerware (Post 1878890)

To rehash a post I made on this topic...

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 1878930)

Tucker Carlson with an interesting article on how Romney has set up the ground work for a run in 2012:

Romney's Game Plan - The Daily Beast

Seems like he thinks that right now it's going to be Romney vs. Palin as the big matchup in the primaries. But there is always someone you don't expect.

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 1878979)

You make an interesting point, but it is worth noting that Steele was actively campaigning for the African-American vote, certainly moreso than his Republican counterpart.

There were two other races that year that featured similar racial breakdowns, but the difference in black support was much smaller...

Ohio

Blackwell - 20% Black
DeWine - 15% Black

Pennsylvania

Swann - 13% Black
Santorum - 10% Black

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 1878973)

What really gets the right ticked at MSNBC is that they have Olbermann "as their face" who is most decidedly left and delights in taking pot shots at the right. And now they have Rachel Maddow on after him in primetime, and her show is basically a female version of his.

The station got in hot water for letting Olbermann on some of the news coverage and he started editorializing so they got rid of him and Chris Matthews, calling them too opinionated for news broadcasts.

SI

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 1878998)

Keith Olberman? That's the guy that was fired from ESPN right? He bashes Republicans now? Haha! What a loser!

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 1879005)

I think it's the trifecta of

1. Democrat
2. Black
3. Electable

If one of those is missing, you don't see this larger black turnout.

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 1879000)

As well as a host on NBC's sunday night football show, but who's counting.

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1878976)

Was there anyone still expecting him to avoid a runoff? I thought that had been the foregone conclusion for at least 2-3 weeks.

For him though, as discussed earlier, a runoff is almost as good as a win.
Thing is, he's got to at least get enough turnout to get the runoff & that's at least looking iffy right now. It may come down to turnout in the rural counties & I don't know if there are enough votes there to make up for a (hypothetical) downturn in metro GOP areas.