I was not aware that any Lannister had fled to Lord Renly. Clegane fled and was tracked down and executed by Stannis. Why did you think anyone had fled to Renly?

Interesting. The game is afoot my lords. House Stark lays the groundwork to welcome Lord Tywin as a bannerman. The precedents are certainly there - the friendship between Lord Tywin and the late Lord Eddard Stark began during the War of the Ninepenny Kings. Indeed, Jamie Lannister was once intended for Lysa Arryn, which would have cemented a tripartite blood-alliance between Riverrun, Winterfell, and Casterly Rock.

It remains to be seen what Lord Tywin will do.

But it is interesting that you say this. Do I detect a crack in the facade of Stark-Dragonstone relations? Do you speak for yourself or your liege, Karstark?

It also remains to be seen if you will answer a direct question rather than spouting history lessons Lord Varys.

I misspoke of course. Baratheon's at Dragonstone and Storm's End, it can be quite confusing when one sorts through as much information as I do. I would not trust a stag with my life were I a lion in these days though. After the death of your late husband, I have no doubt the Stags are disinclined to view any lion favorably, and would cooperate to bring justice for their brother down upon the head of any lion that falls into their hands.

-Lord Varys

[ooc] But i'm a history major by trade, and i love the history of Westeros. Plus I think it's adding cool flavor to the game, and also, at times, it's wrapped around indirect answers. Staying in character ;) [/ooc]

I see your father has a representative here - he could indicate whether he will be sending me a raven prior to his deadline, or if he desires that I spend my raven for the day on him.

-Lord Varys

I'm reluctant to spend my raven for the day to reach out to you right at this moment, Varys. But I would happily reply if a raven found its way to my quarters.

I understand perfectly. I imagine you have a lot on your plate at the moment.

Yes, I doubt that any lord in this land other than Joffrey will execute Tywin, unless they already had Joffrey agreed to bend the knee. If Joffrey had Casterly Rock in his possession he still could not rule the realm, but he could decide the winner by bending to another king. That's too much wealth to be allowed in one boy's grip. Tywin will be held by whoever Tywin turns to. The man may have too many soldiers to be captured. The only question is whether that King will use Tywin to cement an alliance or to lord over the others.

Aaah, but prisoners may only be held for one day, not indefinitely. You do raise an intriguing point about Lord Tywin possessing the might of Casterly Rock and thus potentially being unable to be captured though. Committing the necessary forces to capture Lord Tywin if he flees might also leave claimants weakened on other fronts.

-Lord Varys

Neither. And Both.

I was actually speaking to the notion that the last Lannister bannerman who found himself in Dragonstone is no longer with us. Circumstances are different in each case and I really don't know what any side will do if Tywin flees.

It was a noble attempt to destabilize relations however. S

You can rest assured, Lord Karstark, that there is no secret alliance between Tywin and myself. I've never spoken to the man.

Lord Stark,

That makes much more sense now as corrected. I had thought for a moment that perhaps you were a Lannister!

It's George Martin's fault. He was clearly too occupied with ranting about the Jets to read properly.

Were I in fact GRMM, this would be the post where I use 1,001 words to describe last nights meal.

No one is honorable

[ooc] :lol: [/ooc]

Destabilise relations between whom? There is no need for me to destabilize relations between anyone. The laws of the land will take care of that for me today.

(ooc "by trade?" You go around giving history lectures? :) I majored in History as well. But that was so long ago that its history in itself. )

We now know the extent of our decisions to keep our bannermen from the prior turn. There have been ramifications from that decision, though we still believe we did the honorable thing.

(ooc can I just say that I love using "whom" correctly. It wasn't that long ago I found out how to use it. Can't believe I went around for 30+ years not knowing about it)

Nope, and I'm not sure how quickly that will be changing either.

I suspect that the best move for Joffrey at this point is to bend the knee to someone. The question is whom he feels the best house to do that to is.

It seems King's Landing cannot offer the Lannisters much protection.

It seems someone bothered to raid me?

That makes way more sense.

Is this amount based upon the amount of gold that the bannerman has at the time they flee, or the amount of gold they have at the time they are captured by a potential liege? This seems to be an important point if there is potential for different amounts as time passes.

Captured. I think that's in the (admittedly enormous) rules. ;)

Tywin results coming?

I hope so.

So does I think every freakin' player. :)

The lack of ravens at Casterly Rock led me to believe otherwise.

I didn't expect anything different. If Joffrey is anything like his grandfather, he would know he had to have his grandfather's head. Tywin can live longer, perhaps, in other King's court.

Technically, I believe I'm still his grandfather. Although I'm not sure about my status on his Christmas card list at this point.

I find that to be ... disappointing, father.

(ooc Spoiler for season three/some book or other.

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Heh heh :)

As a reminder for those who might seek to capture me - the title to Casterly Rock holds considerably more value than that of Clegane's Keep. I also have a greater force and greater wealth than Clegane.

If someone wishes to put me to the sword, bring a big army.

If someone wishes to bring me into their fold, it would likely be beneficial to both sides for us to work out an arrangement rather than following the capture/kneel two-step.

Truth be told, so do I. My preference would have been to continue supporting Joffrey. I think he has the opportunity to be a more just and fair ruler than his blackheart reputation would suggest.

However, there is information that you are not privy to that made the departure almost mandated on both sides.

I imagine the Lannister camp will be awfully quiet from now on. Looks as though Jamie will have to be Hand, so there is no cause to talk outside of private council.

If Jamie or Joffrey wish to discuss the situation they can send me a raven today. But in order to get a reply the raven would have to be dispatched quickly. I would not take any precipitous action before seeing the day out though.

Gee. How. Shocking.