no i'm on board with you there DT, hoops and PF are two of my most suspicious at this point

Actually, NOW it's a tie. It was 5-5-4 and I hadn't voted yet.

Is PB around? If he's not, I'm going to switch back to saldana. I'm not here to do charity and save his ass for him.

Is PB voting?

Yeah, I see that. I am going to give PB a couple more minutes. If he doesn't change his vote--from The Jackal of all people--I'm going to jump back to saldana.

I'm not going to move my vote, I don't feel strongly about either of those choices.

Chief and I had already voted.. as you have noted in the vote count.

you got 2 minutes rummy

PB is not showing as being on.

DT you have me listed with a vote and as not voting.

And no BK vote? I don't like this

Two minutes and we have a tie.

So you'll let a tie with a possible no lynch go? Nice.

Somebody should shift their vote, I don't want a tie.

yeah i didn't change that part of it - who had still to vote

1 minute

Vote count as of post #1789:

6 - Telle - claphamsa (1532), Autumn (1535), saldana (1616), Poli (1633), MartinD (1777), Rum (1798)
6 - PurdueBrad - Latham (1554), PackerFanatic (1661), Abe (1702), DaddyTorgo (1782), Pass (1789), Telle (1797)
1 - PackerFanatic - The Jackal (1637)
3 - saldana - dubb (1684), Lerriuqs (1735), hoopsguy (1753)
1 - The Jackal - PurdueBrad (1766)

Yet to vote: Barkeep

Fine, no one is going to do it?

Thanks Chief.

Well, I was going to vote for PB anyways, so that does the same thing CR.

Anyone else gonna be a "hero"?

It's not the vote I wanted but it's better than a tie.

unvote jackal
vote saldana

unvote PF

vote PB

Just in case of shenanigans.

gotta go

Just got done with bath time last count I saw it was us three so hopefully this is good.

ohhhhh wowwwwwww

Just saw count. Good luck village.

Wish you would have shown up earlier as I would have joined you on that vote.

If you were gonna do it, you shoulda just done it, rather than force me to make a move.

And my choice wasn't PB, it was Telle. I didn't have the option to vote Telle more than I already had. So while my move hangs PB, it's certainly not ebcuase that was my desired choice. Unlike others here, apparently, I was quite concerned a tie would mean a no lynch, with Alan gone. So it was either hang PB, or go no lynch. Not going to choose to go no lynch there.

I meant I was going to vote for PB when I realized it was a tie, I didn't know it was a tie, and you had already voted when I was typing up my post.

CR go check shceduling on FOFC :) I called you out :P

But you moving off Telle put PB in the lead, that's all I meant.

If PB comes up good like I think he may, I assume I'm going to get some flack for voting for him three times, but whatever, I've laid out my reason for each vote and will happily do it again.

Sorry about missing deadline. My parents just got back from a vacation and dinner with them took much longer than it should have. I am typing this on page 36 and don't know the results. I would have voted saldana.

Sorry, PB, you weren't my choice, although clearly I sealed it with my move off of Telle. I would have preferred for saldana go. I don't think you're a wolf, because a wolf doesn't act like you do when caught out (not that you should be proud of that).

Wish you had coem back sooner.

Wish I'd gotten here a few minutes earlier, maybe I would've voted for sal also, but the movie ended when it did.

Yeah, I know, but the way you put it suggested that was what I wanted, rather than the truth, which was that your lack of action to that point forced me to move off of telle to ensure we got a lynch.

You're not alone in that, of course. We had others here to move as well, and PB himself came back way too close to deadline.

wow, so the one who said nothign was the talker, the one who said a ton is the shy one..... does that mean I should be the analyzer?

Well that sucks.

Well, I didn't want to vote for either of them, which is why my vote was on PF all day, and I would've left it but I didn't want a no lynch either. I posted that "I'm not going to move my vote" before I saw that it was a tie.

Didn't mean to suggest something you didn't want.

No shocker there. Sorry, PB.

No, you would be the ace spell checker.

Yeah, but at least I didn't get screamed at about bath time by the post-partum depressed wife. ;) First time in three days.

I'm not surprised that he turned up good. Sigh.

You didn't know it was a tie? Why post anything then at that point? It just looks even worse.

Yeah, no surprise there. Bummer, PB.

Heh...well, you have your priorities straight at least. ;)

Jackal's move and comments were certainly odd.

Okay, I'm taking a cue from Alan and keeping my comments to myself until after the deadline.

The last thing I saw was your vote before I asked for an updated count, because I'd just arrived, and you said that moved it out of a tie, so that's when I said I didn't want to move anything - and as I posted that, the vote count came up.

BTW, while I am giving a hard time to The Jackal, there were 8-10 people on around deadline and most of them didn't move either. Not going to walk out names, because I think that's metagaming a little, but I have to acknowledge it is disingenious to focus on The Jackal when others had the ability to change tonight's results as well.

Meh, I should've just not posted at all. I try to move at the deadline because I agree with the no lynch and I'm going to draw flack for it. If y'all want to come after me you're not going to get rid of an important role, but it's time-wasting. My votes suck because PB is good, but I had reasons for each one.

Thanks, I appreciate that. I put myself into the spotlight by saying something, and I'm ready to take flack and questions for my posts.

I guess we know who the multiple personality in our group is.

All right, I am out for a while, probably until really late (past night deadline).

Food for thought over the weekend, I guess.

Funny, very funny.

sorry PB - but hopefully some good vote analysis will come of it, and you'll get to spend some time making the postpartum depressed wife happy!

Sorry PB, your vote to save Ef was jsut to damning for me.

I am wondering if hoops defending him was an attempted way to gain trust?

oh, and I guess you are off my Christmas card list.

its easier to just not do cards :)

Yeah, yeah, I know I'm dead.

I had them straight this time at least. Anyway, a more sincere apology this time. Had I know how rough RL was going to be the last three days, I never would've entered the game and unfortunately RL frustration affected my play here. Lathum, if you couldn't tell, my apology early was mainly directed at you but again, sorry. I purposely didn't mention more about the home and RL problems though because I didn't want that clouding people's votes (the pity no vote). Anyway, thanks for bearing with me.

back on the list!

i cant really say i can argue with the people that switched off to me...i admitted early and do so again that my voting record to this point was terrible...as far as todays vote went, i put mine on telle because i thought i read something in someone elses post that later proved to be me apparently making a leap of faith that i shouldnt have, since the person i was following moved his vote off of her

i was further encouraged to believe i was drawing the right conclusion when Poli did the same thing I did. when everyone was asking "why telle" i didnt answer because I didnt want to draw attention to the hint i thought i saw and out who i thought at that time was the seer.

So this means you won't be planning to vote Telle on Monday? If you hadn't voted Telle today, who would you have voted for?

I wonder if Hoops defending him is because he was pretty damn sure that he had been scanned already?

Saldana, I'm not too distraught that you are still around because on some level I think you would have a little more finesse playing as a wolf than you have shown up to this point. But of the three people who had a chance to be the vote today, I picked you.

I wonder if Hoops realizes we have a cunning and even if PB was scanned he may have been bad which explains his erradic voing.

To clarify my pronouns - I strongly believe that PB was scanned already and that is why I laid off him today.

I think if anyone wants to go back and read my posts that should come through loud and clear.

And, just in case anyone wants to speculate - it is not because I scanned him. My guesses are all predicated on vote/thread analysis.

Dude, PB is dead and his role is revealed. He clearly is not cunning. That train has already left the station.

Cunning does not both scan good and reveal good in death - at least not any cunning wolf role that I've ever seen.

Well, that wasn't very unexpected. But it does settle a large question that might have been looming over us. We can now look at three days of voting record with some clarity. I already had PB as probably blue in my notes but I don't have to worry about the nagging doubts.

That is our cunning wolf role (may or may not be in game).


That is our dead villager that I'm guessing the seer will reveal he scanned whenever he is able to publish his list.

Note - these two roles are not the same!

Danny, when is the night deadline? Saturday AM, Monday AM, or sometime in between?

As of the Day 2 vote, I think we were 15-5, including the Sympathizer as good ('cause I presume they didn't know who was a wolf). On that day we had 9 votes on EagleFan, and 10 on other targets. Other than the possibility of an early wolf on wolf vote that couldn't be changed, I presume all wolf votes were on other targets since it was so down to the wire.

I also presume that unless a wolf was unavailable, they would have switched a vote from the two non-contenders to PB, now that we know for sure he was good. Saldana, Clap and Barkeep all voted close enough to the end that it seems they could have easily saved EF.

It seems then that chances are that most of the 4 wolves that could vote were on PB. Out of the 7 votes on him, Abe is the only one that I feel sure isn't a wolf vote. Telle and Jackal also voted PB on Day 1. Chief Rum made a pretty obvious late day push to get people off of EF, though he did vote Ef on Day 1. Lathum made his notorious strange early day vote on PB which is hard to read.

I think we'll find most of our four remaining wolves among:

Lathum
Hoopsguy
Telle
Jackal
Lerriuqs
Chief Rum

What I would love to see most tomorrow is a run off between two to three of these candidates.

Day 1 activity for possible wolves

Lathum voted Poli, Abe then EF, putting EF ahead 3-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

Hoopsguy introduces EF as candidate early in the day then stays there

Telle voted Abe, then after some pressure from me votes PB, pushing PB ahead of EF (though behind NTN) 5-4-3-2-1-1-1

Jackal voted PB early on to give him one vote then stayed there

Lerriuqs voted Pass very early and stayed there

Chief Rum voted EF late to tie him with NTN, behind PB 5-4-4-2-1-1-1-1

Nothing super clearcut here, but we have three who voted EF, one who introduced him, one who put him ahead early and one who kept him near the running late.

That returns me to concentrating on Telle, Jackal and Lerriuqs out of this group.

did saldana really vote saldana?

Autumn, I think this is a pretty good approach and I accept being on the short list (not that I get to change it or anything).

From what we've seen so far, both Telle and Jackal are willing to take an active role in the thread. I'm hoping that Lerriuqs will take a similar approach going forward.

All right, that was meant to be Chief Rum.

I'd like to look at the context of Chief Rum's day 1 vote more closely to see whether it was as villagish as it looks at first glance. Because he came out day 2 and did his best to save EF. Here on day 3 he could have easily put Telle on the chopping block instead of PB. I think unless that day 1 vote looks impeccable he's a very strong wolf candidate as well.

I was saying that a seer scan doesn't necessaraly clear someone.

notice I put MAY have been, past tense because he is dead. My point is that you are saying you didn't want to vote PB because you assumed he had been scanned. I'm just not sure I but it.

Your trying to twist my words now.

I don't belong on that list.

No way a wolf votes for EF day 1 when I did.

I think we've all played this game long enough to know there are no absolutes these days.

I'm sorry Chief, I was really confused when I made my last comment. I had already logged off when I realized it - you were of course trying to vote for Telle and didn't want to vote PB. My mistake.

The list was of people who voted for PB on day 2, so obviously you do belong on it.

I specifically did not include you in my "more suspect" list because of your day 1 vote. What are you so upset about?

When will night deadline be? I will be gone almost the rest of the weekend so it would be good to know when I can and must vote next.

I was under the impression it was tonight at 1 am. I may be wrong though. I know Danny said there will be no weekend play so I assume the next deadline would be Monday at 8.

Nevermind. Looks like night deadline is Sunday at 10 per Danny's writeup post.

Ah, thanks for catching that. Well, probably going to be a pretty slow weekend then.

Definitely. I'll be gone perhaps until after night deadline. I hope my list from before makes for some good talk. I'll definitely be targeting from among those.

I may be on in the morning before I head out.

Gonna be a major slow weekend, damn. I'm definitely a proponent of finishing nights up on Fridays and letting there be a day phase until the next deadline on Monday. Not a critique aimed at Danny personally, just saying.

so hoops - did you ever answer my question about PF? I'm sorry if I missed it, but now that there's not going to be ultra-activity I'll be able to see it for sure.

It's in the results posts. It's due Sunday at 10pm eastern

My trust on him is based on the quality of his Day 2 vote. I think it was a significant vote, especially now in the light that PB was good (no wolf/wolf).

The fact that you voted for PF yesterday is one of the reasons that I initially voted you; I thought it was the worst vote I saw yesterday from people that I already had as suspects.

Can you explain to me why you distrust PF more than just about anyone in the game (based on your Day 3 vote) at this point, given his Day 2 vote - the fact it was on a wolf, the timing of it, and the final point that it stands out even more for someone with so few posts overall?

no pass, i do not plan on voting telle on monday.

it is a little unfair to ask me who i would have voted for today, since i would really have had no choice but to vote PB in self preservation, and since we already know he was a villager, you are basically forcing me to say "i would have voted for a good guy"

I definitely wasn't trying to do that -- just trying to get an angle on who you suspected if not for the seer angle. I'd probably ask a similar question if you had voted PB -- who would you have voted for if you didn't have to vote in self-preservation?