olie, swearing that you are a villager is not going to get anyone to move the vote away from you. You need to give us more than that. You have an awful voting record that you even lied about.

Giving me something and I might consider moving my vote to save you, but a paragraph of BS is just not going to do it.

Tell me what you want and I'll give it to you. I'm putting my theory out there, as I have been since Friday.

I have little doubt about mccollins but lynching him may not tell us anything.

If we lynch oliegirl and she is bad: That clears Telle IMHO.
If we lynch oliegirl and she is good: That puts us another day behind
If we lynch Pass and he is good: That tells us oliegirl has fangs
If we lynch Pass and he is bad: That gives us a better feel for oliegirl and CR and less of a good feeling about Telle
If we lynch mccollins and he is bad: Doesn't tell us much but gets a wolf (hoppefully the cunning)
If we lynch mccollins and he is good: Puts us another day behind

The fact that they have a brutal wolf has been in the rules since they were first published.

I can be reasoned with a bit here and be swayed to go for Pass as that will at least tell us something one way or the other. If he is good than we have to go after oliegirl and mccollins next. If he is bad we go after mccollins next and then sort out the rest.

This would not be a vote against you Pass; as I think you are a villager this game but it could help clear some things up (and show me if I am getting a decent read on how people are playing the game).

No, letting him live puts them in better position. If they let him live we sould begin to doubt his scans (and him for that matter) as we would think that the only reason he was alive is that he was fake (or the cultist).

If he was still alive right now we would be doubting his scans big time and if one was countered by either the fake or real seer that would have to come out sooner or later. Once that comes out they now have all major roles revealed and it's easy picking for them to win the game.

Heh...even while reading the post before this one, I was thinking, "This is a bunch of hooey, just vote for who you think is a wolf." Now that I've read this post, I think it even moreso!

Just trying to look at the whole picture. I am all for going after someone who I think is a wolf today but if there is a play that helps us more in the nest day or two I am all for it. We need to make some drastic moves soon or we're through.

It's like decidiing to rest an injured player. You keep him benched and risk loding one game now so that he can recover and help you win multiple games later instead of possibly winning one game now and losing him (and many games) for the season.

dola: and I didn't change my vote at this time, just saying what could maybe convince me to

How did I get connected with Pass????

The idea of saying "I think so and so is a wolf, and maybe the cunning wolf", and then voting for someone else is completely beyond explanation to me. Nothing helps the village more than getting a wolf. Nothing. If you think McC is a wolf and you vote for someone else...that is hurting the village. Especially in a race as close as this one is.

Your crazy theory. First you try to come up with an off the wall theory asying the Telle and Pass are wolves because Lathum got killed. Now you question why you get linked?

Maybe you're not a wolf but the cultist?

All I said was that Lathum's death didn't clear Telle, or Pass for that matter. If you lynch Pass and he is good, it means I was wrong, it doesn't mean I'm a wolf.

And no, I'm not the cultist. I'm not anything. Just a villager.

Votes as of post 1812:

6 - oliegirl - GoldenEagle (1643), Danny (1646), EagleFan (1690), RendeR (1723), Telle (1762), PackerFanatic (1783)
4 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1697), Mrs Schmidty (1752), Chief Rum (1757), SnDvls (1794)
4 - mccollins - claphasma (1713), Schmidty (1756), Passacaglia (1763), oliegirl (1788)

Hey mickey c, planning to vote anytime soon?

No vote yet: mccollins, alan t

Yeah, sometime soon

dola, My first choice is not for you, but self-preservation overrides that.

Why do I have this feeling that Alan is just going to duke it anyways?

I might do that. But if i were to duke it today, I would probably just do it out of spite to remove someone from the game for reasons other than me thinking they are a wolf. So perhaps best for me not to do that today. Who knows, guess we all get to wait and see!

I don't see how self-preservation overrides that.

that would be awesome

True, but I'm wary of late vote switches. Well, I'll make the obvious move:

Vote Oliegirl

Votes as of post 1821:

7 - oliegirl - GoldenEagle (1643), Danny (1646), EagleFan (1690), RendeR (1723), Telle (1762), PackerFanatic (1783), McCollins (1821)
4 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1697), Mrs Schmidty (1752), Chief Rum (1757), SnDvls (1794)
4 - mccollins - claphasma (1713), Schmidty (1756), Passacaglia (1763), oliegirl (1788)

Not yet voted: Alan T

I don't see why that wasn't obvious ten minutes ago.

Unless some major deadlining happens, a vote switch by me wouldn't matter anyway.

I can't get a read on anyone this game...

unvote oliegirl

vote mccollins

I hope this doesn't come back to bite me but I have a sudden bad feeling about mickey c that trumps my oliegirl one. I still think she has fangs or is a fang in the waiting but I'll roll the dice here.

hmm

This is a very, very strange vote change.

My vote was obvious all weekend, but I was hoping with the vote closer the wolves might make a play to save Olie - in fact I almost voted for you in order to make their vote-switching more enticing.

!!! EagleFan?!

Votes as of post 1829:

6 - oliegirl - GoldenEagle (1643), Danny (1646), RendeR (1723), Telle (1762), PackerFanatic (1783), McCollins (1821)
5 - mccollins - claphasma (1713), Schmidty (1756), Passacaglia (1763), oliegirl (1788), EagleFan (1825)
4 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1697), Mrs Schmidty (1752), Chief Rum (1757), SnDvls (1794)

Not yet voted: Alan T

I'm not as convinced that oliegirl is bad as some of you are. Lets see what happens with a tie. Maybe the masons are smarter than me.

Vote mccollins

PF, why would you switch votes?

I guess Alan's vote will help me in my theory as to who the Masons are.

I have to pee so bad..

Guess I was wrong - interesting to see how this will play out.

If I think I know who the masons are, then I believe oliegirl will get lynched.

Deadline?

Votes as of post 1834:

6 - oliegirl - GoldenEagle (1643), Danny (1646), RendeR (1723), Telle (1762), PackerFanatic (1783), McCollins (1821)
6 - mccollins - claphasma (1713), Schmidty (1756), Passacaglia (1763), oliegirl (1788), EagleFan (1825), Alan T (1831)
4 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1697), Mrs Schmidty (1752), Chief Rum (1757), SnDvls (1794)

Gah!

*sigh* I honestly suck at voting. I feel my days are numbered.

And Pass - THAT is why I should have switched.

*sigh* and again we villager hump the proverbial camel.

The wolves must be loving this. I doubt they're even trying hard at this point as we chase ourselves in circles...

FOR THE LOVE!

ya that sucks

Great.. now both seers are gone too.

lol

+1

wow, no run on mikey C (no where near his name) hes clearly a wolf!

You mean the people I've been saying are the Masons for days now? :banghead:

This sucks

hhmm, so who has sundelvis accused? who has he cleared?

You villagers are doing great! Keep it up!

;)

This sticks out like a sore thumb now...

when was this vote?

It does stick out but first thing's first...

vote mccollins

1794, Day 4

I'm not sure what to think. Everyone we have put heat on has turned out villager so far. Very few deadline switches. I'm not sure we've even been close to nabbing a wolf.

Can you explain how that sticks out?

That was my first thought when SnDvls went down.

OI vey...After the last game where the villagers basially ate the wolves alive, we're now seeing Karma in action, we're getting our asses handed to us.

Hrm, perhaps the fact that he was a seer (wether real or fake) and he voted for you? Its not definitive but it ertainly adds to the rather overwhelming suspicion of you the whole game.

We suck. I'll check back later tonight and get a vote in.


Sorry Olie!

We have to assume that SnDvls scanned you and it came out bad - otherwise what other premise would he have to vote for you?

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

My voting has been awful all game, but I might as well keep trucking along.

Awfully quick to vote there. I may vote Mccollins myself, but after all of the false assumptions we've made so far about who is a wolf, I could see the wolves getting itchy and feeling close to a win and trying to pile up on someone.

This is Day 5, right? He's voted three other times, if I'm not mistaken.

And let me get this straight. We still don't know which seer he is, right? We're going off the assumption that one seer scanned me as good, and one scanned me as bad? I can actually see that, since I would guess that the fake seer would scan everyone as good.

Off to read more of SD's posts. You've been a big help, Sunny D! :rolleyes:

If the fake seer scanned you as good, then wouldn't that mean sndvls couldn't be the fake seer?

Who has sndvls vote for on day two and three?

SnDvls suspected you...

Well it's the clearest clue we've gotten so far..

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

EagleFan and saldana, respectively.

Good to see that my wolf team is developing a fan base!!!

If the fake seer scanned everyone as good and one seer (the real seer) scanned you as bad, that would not be very good for you.

But I understand how a simple mis-statement can happen to all of us.

Funny how this came immediately after two votes for me.

Hi Mickey C, LSG, clap, PF, and Danny!

I am guessing sndvls scanned DT or Lathum day one, so I'm not sure his day two vote means anything. His day three vote is obviously fine. Still, the fact he voted Pass today when the primary heat was on two other players doesn't look good for Pass. Still, I'm going to analyze more, so far we have been too quick to jump on people.

That wasn't a mis-statement. I was saying I can see the argument against me. Unless I'm missing something. :confused:

I was actually trying to stick up for you. If you noticed I did not jump on you and am encouraging people to put plenty of thought into their votes on NOT jump on anyone.

Day 1

10 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphamsa (946), SnDvls (659), Mrs. Schmidty (676), saldana (691), oliegirl (707), GoldenEagle (725)
7 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Telle (650), Passacaglia (745)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362)
1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394)
1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594)
1 - Alan T - Alan T (778)


Day 2


7 - Barkeep49 - Lathum (1052), PackerFanatic (1068), oliegirl (1072), mccollins (1079), Telle (1080), Mrs. Schmidty (1118), Passacaglia (1215)
4 - Chief Rum - LoneStarGirl (939), RendeR (1038), saldana (1175), GoldenEagle (1210)
3 - EagleFan - Chief Rum (1000), SnDvls (1065), claphamsa (1084)
3 - Lathum - Danny (1015), Barkeep49 (1040), DaddyTorgo (1089)
1 - oliegirl - EagleFan (943)
1 - saldana - Alan T (1044)

no vote: Schmidty


Day 3

11 - saldana - claphamsa (1291), Mrs. Schmidty (1358), mccollins (1408), PackerFanatic (1417), Telle (1485), SnDvls (1506), RendeR (1526), oliegirl (1586), Passacaglia (1610), Schmidty (1615), Alan T (1621)
3 - Telle - GoldenEagle (1273), Chief Rum (1383), saldana (1591)
2 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1389), Lathum (1424)
2 - oliegirl - Danny (1282), EagleFan (1311)


Day 4


6 Oliegirl: GoldenEagle (1643), Danny (1646), Render (1723), Telle (1762), PackerFanatic (1783), mccollins (1821)
6 McCollins: Claphamsa (1713), Schmidty (1756), Passacaglia (1763), oliegirl (1788), EagleFan (1825), Alan T (1831)
4 Passacaglia: LoneStarGirl (1697), Mrs. Schmidty (1752), Chief Rum (1757), SnDvls (1794)

Actually, you jumped on EF for voting for mccollins (post 1866), then talked about how it doesn't look good for me (1877). Can you show me where it was that you were sticking up for me?

im just goonna go ahead and say its not mickey C its scott!

sorry this is bothering me!

Telle, out of the votes on me, you're the least likely in my mind to be a wolf. We've been in the same boat a little, lumped together by being scanned by Lathum. You'll notice that I took my vote off you as soon as I was sure you were a Mason. You'll also note that Sunny D voted for you earlier in the day, but switched the vote to me -- so I don't think that you can use his vote as evidence that I'm a wolf since, after all, he could just as easily left it on you (I think I'm talking about Day 3 here, not Day 4, but I'm not sure -- let me know if you want more info on this).

Because my analysis stands for you and Mccollins. I happened to quote the first vote, but that comment applies to all these early votes. Sorry, if I wasn't clear on that.

And it doesn't look great for you, but I'm encouraging people to put thought into their vote and to be suspicious of all these early votes as if one thing has been made clear in this game, we can very easily be wrong.

Same here, but Pass is the only one that calls me that so I've left him alone about it :)

First of all, it's not true to say the "primary" heat was on the other two, and not me. Secondly, I don't think it even matters.

Your post was made the exact same minute as the two votes that came through on me. I'm 99.99% sure that when you started your post, there were no votes on me. We need a "caught red-handed" emoticon!

In regard to sndvls it was primarily on two other players. If he switched his vote, he would have been able to lynch who he wanted. Still, he stuck with you. That means something, but there are still scenarios in which you could be good. That's why I want to see more analysis and discussion. I have believed you were good throughout this game, but obviously without much to go on, a seer vote doesn't look good. That's all I am saying.

There weren't any votes on you when I started typing my post. I quoted the first vote made. And as I said, my statement was made for all people who started jumping out to early votes. Whether it be on you, Mccollins or someone else.

I don't see any evidence that he was around in the last few minutes to switch his vote. He could have been, but I wasn't looking. Point is, when he made the vote, I was definitely a lynching possibility -- if one or two other votes had turned out differently, I could have been lynched.

Hate to say I told you so, but

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

:rant:

olierage

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliegirl (Post 1765507) :rant:

OLIERAGE

But there were no votes on anyone else. So the only votes like this that actually existed were on mccollins. You know how you said you happened to quote the first vote? You come off as implying that there were other votes you could have chosen, when in fact, there weren't.

LOL

Nah, Olierage was Friday...and then this morning going back and forth with EF. This is just frustration.

I probably should have made my point without quoting any vote, but my point stands, even more so now that you had those three quick votes on you.

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lol, I needed that after another awful day for the village

Yeah, it might have helped you out a bit if you had done that. I don't disagree with your point -- thinking things through always helps (that was your point, right?). Luckily, people can unvote -- and people who say they were sticking up for Passacaglia might just end up voting for him, once they've "thought it through" -- it'll be interesting to see what happens!

Yeah, that's my point.

And you're right, I might very well vote for you, but there's other individuals I want to look at as well.