I bid on Schmidtyus yesterday and got no result. Did anyone else? If so, did they get the services of Neonus? This should be something we can easily sort out.

Silly goose.

We don't get told about our investigations. We get told about who was thrown off the rock. I came out and said BS was good before Schmidty did, and I didn't know that Schmidty even had that info.

Oh, I didn't realize that. I thought you received the results for both. So that I understand then, the person who hires you and asks to scan someone is the person who receives the result? So the answers we get are dependent on whether the person hiring you is a Tarq or not?

That sucks if that's the case. Unless we clear the people hiring you, then we can't put full trust in the results that we get back.

About the bolded statement (the bolding is mine, BTW):

That is true until the Tarqs get both lawyer positions - which seems to be their MO at the moment (since lawyers seem to be dying at a very fast rate). If they do that, we're screwedus.

This makes me suspect AE because he's still alive (as I believe Narcizo and others have already mentioned).

I'm starting to believe that AE needs to be high on our watch list. Perhaps even arrested tonight.

To the analytical side for the moment. I have no reason to disagree with CR's assessment of the situation. This game I haven't done the independent tracking hoops and CR have, but I don't see any flaws with what they are thinking at this time. Leaving the group of:

Ant - I'm pretty much ambivalent so far on him, not getting much of a vibe.

Autumn - Has really been contributing, even if I don't always agree with the analysis. Being so talkative as a wolf as a first timer would be ultra brave...but possible, we've gotten some good players lately. Regardless, Autumn has really impressed me so far in general, glad to have you onboard :)

BK - The bad coincidences are starting to stack up; however, there have been legitimate reasons up until this point. Still, I find myself getting a little nervous about him...but I'm going to squash that feeling until something else odd happens. But I'm paying attention to him.

path - Has been pretty quiet so far. That is no real indicment in and of itself -- I've been quieter than normal, and the nature of this game still being so large means that it's hard for a lot of players to talk as much as normal. Still, out of this group he'd probably be my #1 choice for lack of better alternatives.

Peregrine - I'm getting a good vibe from him. Seems to have generally been helpful and not gotten involved in any messes.

It's not much, but that's all I've got for now.

Yep, that's the case. Yep, that sucks. I've been moaning about it here and in PMs to Cronin.

Have at it, hoss.

Realistically, about AE...this another one of those dangerous double fake opportunities. We need to watch him carefully, because the #2 lawyer sure does have a bad habit of dying. However, if they were trying to get their people in position as lawyers and haven't been having luck so far...wouldn't it make sense to keep killing the #2 lawyer, then wait for us to kill AE for them? This kind of gets into an odds game -- how likely do we think it was one of the bad guys was cast as this lawyer at the start of the game? However, this is one of the few circumstances we have where there's some more concrete reason to suspect someday, so color me somewhat suspicious.

Yep. There's always the double-fake. But, I've had a bad vibe about AE for a while anyway (primarily due to his 'post a hundred times but say nothing' strategy). I don't know.

Someone asked about this - Mustang, I believe.

Starting to work our way through the services from Day 3, but still have a few blanks:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves (Anxiety)
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood (Peregrine)
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed (Coffee)
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses
Ardentus Enthusiastus (Dodger)
Schmidtyus Schmidtyus

It's either this, or study HVAC system software. You be the judge.

And now that I think of it, I may post a lot because I'm bored, but I take offense to the POST NOTHING bit.

I've reported everything that I've known as soon as I've known it.

See what I mean?


:)

Heh.

Regarding my post count this game. First, it's true I've been a bit quieter than normal. I'm usually slightly above average in post count, and the majority of that comes later in the game. But I tend not to post unless I have something to note, and this has been a tough game to analyze. If that makes me suspicious, so be it, but I do think it's clear that I am paying attention to what's going on at least.

I can definitely sympathize with this -- in this case I think we're pretty much in the same boat. There's not a whole lot separating most of that group you're in, though, right now...

For better or worse, today seems like a pretty quiet day.

I'll give feedback on the arrest nominations so far:
- not looking to arrest an attorney right now. We don't know if they can provide their services from jail and I want to have access to information. If Ardent continues to stay alive over the long haul I may change my stance on this, but that would be after my Consul term is over anyway
- similarly, I'm not looking at path all that hard today. I don't think his posting habits are out of character for him up to this point

We've shed two of our top financial resources already and have a third up for vote today, all under the "inactive" blanket reasoning. Yet the Tarqs have had the financial werewithal to double-kill twice already while we were learning the roles and figuring out how to play nicely together. With that in mind, I'm now flip-flopping from my earlier thoughts on not taking shots at the wealthy to trying to figure out who has benefitted from the wealthy deaths (including, potentially, LSG).

So, that is where I'm at right now, although I'm willing to pursue a BK/Tyrith strategy if Narcizo wants to go down that path. I would prefer that we are arresting both or neither, and giving the people hiring the attorneys the luxury to pick between them for a scan tomorrow.

Narcizo, I'll be on here up to the deadline and you won't so if you are willing to post either who you are voting for or alternately a small group that will help me to avoid any funny business like the last few days.

Remember deadline is 9am EDT saturday morning!

Hoops, I'll see what I can do about resolving the PM mess. Although, to be honest, killing me is not going to be a loss besides just hitting generic_villager_01.

THey aren't the ones who get the PM. The person who hired the lawyer receives the PM, and the lawyer's player has no knowledge of it, is how it's been represented to us so far.

So we need to trust the person saying they've hired the lawyer, but not the lawyer.

One of the legionnaires Narcizus said he used on himself.

What makes you think the Tarqs were responsible for the second kills?

Day 4 wise, I purchased the 2nd horseman Billy Oceanus.

The first day we could purchase them, I used my ex-legionaire on myself.

Indeed. CW has claimed the saldana kill as his own.

Some thoughts on some suspects:

Antus Meisterus - very high, but we can't arrest him.
Cofeeus Warlordus - I had him as fairly trustworthy, but his kill of Saldana, though admitted, makes me wonder. Especially if there's the possibility of conversion.
Neonus Chaosus - I have bad vibes on him, but don't know for sure.
Barkeepus - I want to believe his rl story, but there's not a lot more suspects and I wouldn't be surprised if he was a traitor
Mustangus - hard to get a handle on coming in later, but again some bad vibes
Ardentus - the fact that he's living is suspicious, and his posting style worried me early on, but otherwise is playing as trustworthy
Peregrinus - hard to read. His rise is wealth is a bit suspicious considering the amount he's posted.
Abeus Anxietus - Again, a rapid rise to wealth, and a few bad vibes, but hard to read. Seems like we must have a couple traitors out of this wealth level.

I'm not sure who to arrest out of this bunch. The wealthier of them, I suppose, and at least they won't be able to bid while locked up.

.......:mad:

added

Good point by both you and Pass.

I sent a PM when I won the horsey to someone, and I never got a reply back either. Maybe he didn't get it as well?

KWhit, did you get my message?

Narcizo, with this deadline I can be up and around for last minute discussions if you will be visiting FOFC on the weekend.

OK, lets re-examine some assumptions I made based on the Tarqs buying the killer both on Day 1 and Day 3, despite CW saying that he bought it on Day 3 (oops).

Working with the assumption that wealth is calculated by the time you bid on the service (pre-lawsuits at end of day), here is the Day 3 wealth:
Wealthiest: Bullet, ITC, Dodger
2nd Tier: Warlord, Ironhead, LSG, MV/Pass, Schmidty

I still believe that the wolves are incented to make this purchase if at all possible.
- Pass was ahead of Warlord on the wealth scale, since he moved up to the next level at the start of day 4 when Bullet was killed. But Pass has claimed that there were no bids on services by Marc Vaughn (right?)

So that leaves three people at the same level as Warlord on this day, where we don't know who would have had preferred treatment.
- Schmidty is dead, we aren't going to get info from him
- LSG is unlikely to give any info on her bids due to connectivity issues
- Ironhead, what did you end up with on Day 3?

So the bad guys knew on Day 3 that there was a killer out there - it had been used on Day 2 and Ironhead mentioned that service in the thread on Day 3. Can you think of a service that would be more important for them to have than the killer on this day?

By the by, yours truly was SUPPOSED to be off work today, but here I am, posting from work.

Do the math on the day I've had. My posting is gonna be limited today.

Correct. Titus Ludius. Sorry for not being explicit at the time.

A step that would be extremely helpful - can people submit their list of purchase attempts (and indicate success) by day? I'll start:

Day 1 - failed to hire Blakus Fortunatus (horses)
Day 2 - successfully hired Faustus Felix (horses)
Day 3 - sent message to Alan, failed to hire Animus Sentus

Note - I didn't include Day 4 because those are still in play.

Most surprising purchase for me so far is that Narcizo got a bodyguard on Day 3.

Also, we have both attorneys outstanding on Day 2 - was there something revealed prior to the end of that day that would have spooked the Tarqs into wanting to hire Ardent/Swaggs? Especially if they were killing Swaggs at the end of that day?

NO. I DID NOT RECEIVE IT. NO MESSAGE FROM YOU OR ST.CRONIN.

And my inbox has been clear all week.

:(

havn't really had a chance to check in yet today. been computer-less

Sure, why not:

Day One - Won Blakus Fortunatus
Day Two - Sent message to KWhit - he never responded. Failed to get Macro Gothicus
Day Three - Bid on the sex slave owner Durus Pimpus, won them
Day Four - Sent Sex Slaves to someone, failed to get the top Legionnaire


I've been pretty open about this stuff the entire game, too.

Seriously?

Well, then, folks, we have a problem. Maybe some game mechanic is preventing the horses from always reaching their target (interception by Tarqs?)

I doubt we have TWO Tarqs that wer targets of horses and BOTH chose to lie about it. There's no real reason for a non-Tarq to lie.

Maybe the GM messed up?

Seriously.

OK, lets ask the question as directly as possible:

Cronin, have there been any moderator issues that has impacted the delivery of the horse messages this game?

I just want to know how heavily to weigh this when evaluating people.

no

Very interesting.

OK, next question - not sure if this one will be answered:

Are bids for services processed processed before or after lawsuits are completed?

before

Dola (see if I can sneak it in) - nice redundant use of processed, Hoopus Guyus :(

can we vote for the 2 people who didn't answer horse messages then please?

please please?

who were they?

One interesting tidbit, the day I hired AE (the best lawyer around) I lost my suit against Imthecrew who was in jail... I didn't get that at ll.

Well.... I was one of them. And I didn't answer it because I didn't get it.

And if you don't believe that and think I'm a Tarq, answer this: If I were a Tarq, why would I not answer a message just to try to screw with the sender's mind or to get him to trust me? Or to try to sway his vote or bid somewhere where I wanted it?

It would be too good of an opportunity to pass up.

Gah! Being consul sucks. I thought it would be all about the glamour and the hot chicks but I also thought I'd have a better idea who to arrest. I like Chief Rum's theory but I really think there's a substantial body of evidence to suggest there's a rich wolf at work here. It's a bit on the sucky side that the two people I'm the most suspicious of are both lawyers. I find myself repeating what the two previous consuls said. I wish there was more opinion being expressed. Without many numbers I could well be mainly listening to wolves at the moment.I have to decide now and hope that I can change the arrest tomorrow if necessary.

Our former consuls KWhit and Barkeep, per Anxiety and Tyrith.

Both have claimed they did not receive messages to answer.

Narcizo, here is the first question that I think we have to deal with - do we look at the horse messages or treat it as an item to be figured out later? This was easier to evaluate when there was only one of them ...

I'm out for a while. Not sure if I'll be back online tonight or not, so I'll go ahead and cast a vote, in case I don't make it back before tomorrow morning.

VOTE THROW LSGus OFF THE CLIFF

Anxiety, hasn't the person already been blocked by the sex slaves you sent and the end of yesterday? If so, who was it?

sent *at* the end of yesterday (Day 4)

No he wasn't someone I distrusted. I believe at the time I sent my PM to cronin, he had the most votes for counsel and I wanted to find out the allegiance of someone in power.

I say this horse business can be sorted out later.

OK at the moment I'm leaning heavily towards arresting Neon. He's the one who had struck me as being the most wolfish at the moment. I really don't like it but a reason to do this is to try and force whoever controls AE to scan Neon today. This will give us a clear idea of whether we should vote to execute or not tomorrow without risking another innocent death by execution. Has anyone got an objection to this at the moment before I send the order. (which I think I will be able to change tomorrow but can't guarantee - I'm running out of time here).

dola,

so it was either you or him.

Good point to consider. st. cronin left things as they were, saying it was the fair play. Well, the data entry mistake affected the hiring of a killer and a bodyguard. Pass's unintentional hire of a BG deprived someone else of a BG, and allowed someone else to hire the killer.

Whoever hired the killer is on the same side as Passacaglia.

Think about it. Would anyone tihnk it fair if Pass was a good guy, a mistake was made and the killer went to a bad guy? Or the other way around. If Pass was a Tarq, and the killer fell to a Republic senator, would that be fair?

I'm sure st. cronin didn't intend for that revelation to say anything about people's allegiances, but we may put it to use.

If a loyal Senator dies tomorrow by sword, Pass will will likely be a baddie.

My assumption on the BG point is that either no one else bid on the BG Pass won, or the person was on the sasme side as Pass in that one, too.

If you want to arrest me, just go ahead and do it, Narc. Scan me, do whatever. It'll all be for naught, because the Senate will lose one more senator loyal to the Republic.

I was sent sex slaves. Don't know who blocked me, don't care. Don't even reveal yourself, if you think you're compromising your wealth/position.

I've already got several impressions on who's probably a Tarq, but then again, I have a twisted sense of logic.

Narzico,

Neonus seems a fine choice to arrest. With a lawyer scan we can actually make an educated vote tomorrow.

Or would someone like me to send in a conditional re-arrest for LSG/whoever, (which is a possibility). If freed she will be rearrested. If not whoever else I pick will be arrested.

We are sure that AE can't fake the lawyer scan right?

I kept a better record of who everybody else got for services than I did me.

Day 3 I bid and lost on the sex slaves
Day 2 I bid and lost on the political philosopher
Day 1 I bid and lost on the horses, I think the second one listed

I am 99% sure of that Narzico, yes.

Who thinks I'm a Tarq, honestly?

I have voted to free Lonestarus Girlus. I think she is merely inactive, and hope we'll see her or a replacement soon.

I've given my list of suspects. I will try and check in again to see if I can help the consuls decide who to arrest. I agree that this horse issue is strange and suspect. I don't suspect Kayus Whitus, but either of the other three could be suspect.

I will submit my bid and hope for the best in the morning.

Sod it. I'm getting filty looks from my wife. I'm sending in the order now.

Please can everyone state a preference for an arrest today. Hoops I'd prefer somebody in the upper regions of the wealth bracket for an arrest. Neon is dirt poor and getting poorer. Obviously it's your call.

Vote Execute LoneStarGirl

I definitely think there's a rich wolf in the game. LSG hasn't been active but the wolves may be gearing their kills in the belief that she will come back or there will be a replacement.

BTW, vote FREE LoneStarGirl.

Thank goodness the day won't end til tomorrow I have a lot of catching up to do.

Apparently the person who hires him can though.

Lots to comment on.

First, we need to devise a plan for Antmeister. We can't handle him through regular means. He absolutely needs to be killed because of the fact we can't arrest him and he can stop an execution. I think he needs to be our highest priority for a scan.

If he turns up bad, we need to hire the warlord the next day, and kill him. In an odd way, what I have just suggested is technically treason, lol.

The second scan we need is ardent. Let's clear him once and for all. We should also protect him with a bodyguard to put him to good use after discovering his allegiance.

I don't think we should be arresting lawyers. Not only do they have useful abilities, but we have better targets to go after, IMO. Neither current lawyer is on my original list of suspects for the Day One sword killer.

VOTE FREE LSG

Obviously, LSG had some issues this week. Although I am disappointed we're only finding out now, I can no longer assume her UTR-ness is related to wolfish behavior. If she were poor, it would still be an easy call to just toss her. But she is in a position of wealth and could soon be replaced by an active player. I recommend we free her, because we could get another valuable tool in hiring services. My gut says she is a loyalist for the same reason as MV--a wolf would have been replaced sooner.

I'm still working through the meaning of the horse owner issues. Have we actually had a horse message successfully delivered and responded to?

I would like to see a daily lawyer hire list and then who the lawyers were sent to investigate and what results. Even going through other people and having to determine their allegiance, this is useful information.

My hiring service history:

Day One: Failed to hire Lexus Postus (horse owner)
Day Two: Failed to hire Lexus Postus again (he wasn't available, I made an error)
Day Three: Failed to hire sex slaves
Day Four: I was posting from a Kinko's and on the run; I forgot to send a purchase order after posting in the thread before work.

I'm still debating my arrest recommendations.

Whoops, bad word substitution here. I meant to say [b]He absolutely needs to be scanned because of the fact we can't arrest him...

He only needs to be killed if he turns up bad.

This seems like overthinking it. My impression is that since a PM was sent out to whoever hired the killer already (without my bid), he just didn't want to send another PM to that person saying they didn't get it after all. I don't think he thought that it was okay, as long as the same "side" got the killer. Anyway, like Mustang and I were saying, the person who hired the killer (if any) is likely someone who wasn't around when I came back right before the deadline.

Again, I have to take some great offense to this. If the killer was hired, it doesn't make much sense to accuse the one person we *know* didn't hire him.

Maybe, but I think then st. cronin would say he kept it the way he did for simplicity's sake and simply apologize for the error. Instead, he mentioned fair play as being the primary reason to keep it. I am thinking of scenarios where it would not be fair. And a key service going from one side to another due to an error is inhernetly unfair (in fact, blatantly so).

Plus, not sure what the issue would be to sending PMs to correct it. It's not like that person would know anything more than would become obvious in the next day anyway. Unless you value that everyone between that person and you did not bid for that service.

As for who else would have bid for it, I could see someone bidding before you came on, and I could also see someone bidding as a backup plan because it's a critical service.

In that respect, actually I would like to see that person say they won the services of the warlord. If it is a loyal Senator, we will then know. I don't want that person to say who they';re sending him after, but knowing a loyal Senator has him would clear things upa lot.

And if no one says anything, well, we know we have a problem, don't we? (and you might then have a problem, going on my theory)

Day 1 - did not bid
Day 2 - bid on Balbus Senna and failed
Day 3 - won Animus Sentus

I'm not accusing you of hiring him. I am saying there is a logical conclusion here to suggest you are on the same side as whoever won the services to the sword killer last night. So we will see who dies today, if anyone. If it is a loyal Senator and no one ponies up like Warlord to say they made a kill error, then we have to assume the Tarqs won him. Ergo, based on what st. cronin suggested, you might then be on the same side (a Tarq).

I'm not saying it's foolproof or that I have some big case against you. I'm just connecting points A, B and C.

Why aren't we saying what we bid on for Day Four, particularly if we failed. If we won the services, I don't see an issue announcing that either, so long as we don't say how we'll use them.

For instance, if I had won a BG today, I would freely announe that. I wouldn't say who I chose to protect, but the service ownership is not saomething I would hide. I have said what happened with me on Day Four. How come no one else is saying who they hired (or failed to hire) on Day Four?

I had to reference the names from my PMs to make sure I had them right. If you aren't turning over your SentItems on a daily basis they should still be there.

This made me laugh, so basicaly the PM should say, "I hire Ardent to investigate himself"? Heh, that's kind of funny I wonder if that can be done.

I didn't ask for that because I didn't want them becoming targets for a "block" or a killing to prevent the services still in play from being executed.

Very good point. Should have thought of that.

dola, well, unless we gets omeone to announce they won the sex slaves. That way, if someone is blocked, we know who did it.

Ha ha, especially if he is bad and roots himself out :)

I was actually figuring Neon would be hired to check out ardent, while ardent would check out Antmeister.

Here are my bids:

Day 1 - Animus Sentus - did not get him
Day 2 - Bonus Oceanus - did not get him
Day 3 - Durus Pimpus - did not get him

Haha, he should chickity check himself before he wrecks himself ;)

I have won all my bids:

Day 1: Hired Ardent (was second best lawyer at the time) and had him scan AlanT who came out good (or no evidence of wrongdoing).

Day 2: Hired sex slaves and sent them to Ironhead. I was told I wouldn't know of any wrongdoing but any actions would have been blocked.

Day 3: Hired Ardent and had him check Autumn and there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

That should read I wouldn't have known if any action was planned, it would only be blocked.

I was wondering about that. Thanks for clarifying.

I've said twice already that I tried to hire Schmidty day 4. My other bids have been:

Day 1: Bid on the priest, didn't get it.
Day 2: Bid on Maximus, got him, had him protect Barkeep.
Day 3: Bid on the priest again, didn't get it.
Day 4: Schmidty, failed again.

Well since LSG has been having connection problems, I'm not sure she's been involved in the game at all. Do we have any reason to think she's been putting in orders if she can't post? With that in mind, she might be guilty, but we have better targets (I hope.)

vote free LoneStarGirl

Hired the legionaire. Protected myself.
Tried to hire the sex slave.
Tried to hire the sex slave.
Hired the horseman. Sent it(the message) to Hoops. I hadn't revealed this before.

Bolded so that maybe hoops can verify if he received the message or not.