I don't know. It doesn't seem like it would be as big a deal for the Sith, where the scarlet blade announces their allegiance, as it would among the Jedi, where different colored blades stand for different connections with the Force.

Moreover, because Jedi (and presumably Sith) construct their own lightsabers, the identifying mark is generally the handle, not the blade. That's the master craftsman's mark, if you will.

We don't know that those lightsabers ARE identical, only that the kills have been carried out by Sith wielding dual lightsabers with scarlet blades.

Think about it: there are essentially three options for the Sith when it comes to lightsabers.

a) a single blade
b) dual-wielding
c) a double-saber, à la Darth Maul
d) if you want to look at the extended universe, there have been examples of lightsabers with multiple crystals and a blade of varying length.


Four options. Room for some variation, but not a lot, as far as the blade itself goes. The handles are far more customized, and if we had seen those, we'd have a much better idea of whether it's the same guy or a different killer.

I still believe it's a different Sith, and I don't think the lightsaber similarity is as significant for the Sith as it would have been for the Jedi.

dola,

that should have read four options. I remembered the extend-a-blade from a SW book I read years ago before I submitted that post, and forgot to update the option count.

I'll defer to your knowledge on the topic, as most of what I've read is off the Wikipedia entries since the start of the game.

FWIW, I think that up to this point the vote on KWhit has been a little bit too easy. Also, with today being a Friday there is a decent chance that we won't have as many people hovering around their PCs at the deadline. So if people are having second thoughts on KWhit I would like to have that conversation now rather than later.

Yes, let's do that please.

:)

I am a full-bred Jedi. Unfortunately, I have no role to reveal, just a hatred of all things Sith.

Hatred's a Dark Side emotion, man. Wanna rethink that?

Doh!

How about a strong dislike?

Dola - I've never been good at role-playing in these games. I leave that to Qwik.

Hoops, regarding your convoluted sequence of events. I really don’t even see what you are saying. Not sure what you mean about planting evidence for the fake reveal, etc. I think I have expressed why I feel you are Sith. If I end up being wrong, then I am sorry. This game is not in my hands, It is up to the other Jedi to make their decision. I support them and feel they will get a Sith tonight.

Originally, I had thought we would see something that was of a greater difference with the Sith attack. I thought dual lightsabers would be unique as well. But I just don’t know. I think it should be obvious to us as witnesses to be able to tell different fighting styles as well as a difference in lightsabers from one attack to another. Basically we would know if this was the same guy each night, but we don’t. We have to go with what we have

Gram, going back to your trust lists I obviously don't support me or Taz because that IS my trust list. But I don't have strong feelings about King or Penny either and would be willing to take a chance moving my vote there if people think there is a compelling reason to do so.

As it sits right now, KWhit is going down without some late help from the Sith. The longer there is no movement by them, the more nervous I am about this selection. I realize that to some extent this is a game of "chicken", but I think coming up with some idea of an alternate selection makes sense.

Dola, this comment is not intended only for Gram ... I just used his trust list, combined with my own, to help come up with the list of potential alternates to KWhit.

You also said the way to build a circle of trust would be to lynch you or Taz.

But, the game of chicken or any moves from me ends in about an hour. So, anybody have anything else?

Well, you're not going to see any Sith clamoring to save me. They're probably thrilled to see that another Jedi is likely to go down.

I still think King is a possibility, but I think a Sith would try to have a bit more presence in the thread. I would imagine a Sith would want to be right in the middle as far as post count. If true, Penny might fit the bill.

Do you have new info on KWhit or something that makes you not want to vote him?

FWIW I've been suspicious of King for awhile due to his quiet play amongst other things.

I also realize that I've been flying under people's radars as well, but all I can say is that I'm just a plain jedi. I didn't get any special role.

I think my top vote candidates right now are KWhit and penny, just because - as I said earlier - I keep forgetting they're even in the game. They seem like prime lay-low candidates to me.

Gram, I said the way to test my claims is to lynch me or Taz. But I obviously believe my own circle of trust and think that it should be helpful for the remaining Jedi as well. If we remain splintered like we still are then this game is going to continue just like it has the first seven days.

Penny, no new info at all. Just the fact that four out of seven votes are on him already. Hopefully this is because we have the right guy and the Sith aren't going to have the numbers to save him late. But the other alternative is that we have the wrong guy again and they are laughing.

I'm not ready to move my vote just yet, but wondering if other people have the same sense of unease that is creeping over me about how today has gone to this point.

Okay. Guys, take note of this post. If I'm lynched tonight, you'll find out I'm a Jedi. When you do, remember this post. I do not think a Sith would say this at this point.

I believe Hoops is 100% good now. So if I do go tonight, start working with him as the center of your circle of trust, because there is no way at this point that a Sith would post what he just posted. The Sith are thrilled with the way today's vote is going and aren't going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

I have a bad feeling about KingFC.

Me too. That's where my vote is now.

I also think this vote right now is too easy, but could it be we are getting the brutal Sith so it doesn't even matter to them since it is a 1:1 trade?

Man, I really wish whoever our seer is/was could help us. And I really wish I had some type of role that I could use to help us. Right now I feel useless as I can not pin anyone as a Sith.

Half the time I tell myself Hoops must be a Sith since he is still alive, but then the other half of the time I think he is being setup to look like a Sith.

I do believe that Taz is good because Hoops as a Sith would already know this and could easily gain Taz's trust. Or Hoops role is legit and he did find out Taz's role.

Well, there isn't much for me to say. I have no special role and I am a Jedi. I have no way of proving my innocence other than from a seer scan or death.

And I know my death will only bring us closer to end the game since I am a Jedi.

Man this game is a train wreck.

It's clear to me that the Seer is dead or he would have come forward already. It's also clear to me as I noted above that Hoops is a Jedi. So I think that Taz is okay, too based on Hoops' conversation with Jeeber. I think Hoops is telling the truth about that. I also believe sndvls actually did have his vote moved, so that leads me to believe he's a Jedi too. So a circle of trust is beginning.

Okay, if we follow this thought process. I know I am a Jedi. I want to believe that Gramm is the bodyguard.

Jedi: Hoops. Taz, SnDvls, King, Kwhit, Gramm

Sith: Penny, Sack, Cartman


So here goes nothing.

UNVOTE KWHIT
VOTE SACK

OKay guys. I'm out of here for the night in just a couple of minutes. I urge all of you to rethink voting for me. Looks like my vote is going to stay on King. I was hoping that another suspect would emerge that would take some heat off of me, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

Good luck tonight.

Hmmm.. And the same time I posted my last thought, another contender emerges.

Votes as of Post #1827:

KWhit - Penny (1773), Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
King - KWhit (1776)
Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826)

Not Voted: Taz, Sack

How is KWhit on your "jedi" list? What has he done to earn that compared to what Cartman and I have done to get on your "sith" list?

Well it looks like my vote on King is going to be wasted tonight. So for self-preservation sake, I have to:

Vote SackAttack

I happen to believe it is quite possible for him to be a Sith. I don't have a real high suspicion or trust feeling on him one way or the other, but it beats me going down because I know I'm a Jedi.

I think the Seer may have been Schmidty. He had a gold/yellow blade and I believe he was killed by the Sith poking out his eyes. If that was not Schmidty, whoever got their eyes poked out is probably the seer.

C*ck Sucker Sith! I want to play a Deadwood themed game, so we can go around swearing at each other and it be perfectly normal.

KWhit, if you want to move it make sure to unvote/vote.

How great would it be to get the Chinaman role in a Deadwood game?

Whoops. Thanks Hoops.

Unvote King
Vote Sackattack.

I want to get a trust/distrust list out there just in case I get killed this weekend.

Trusted: Hoops, Gramm, Pennywisesb, Taz

Mostly Trusted: Cartman (4 votes in a row for the same person seems like an awfully strange ploy for a sith), SnDvls

Distrust:
KWhit (playing a different style game than we're used to, not his usual analysis--claims work has been very busy and hence he hasn't had enough time to play)

KingFC (also very quiet, claims to be normal jedi, has me and cartman on his distrust list which leads me to suspect him since I know I'm jedi and I am 90% sure Cartman is jedi with his voting pattern)

Sackattack (very knowledgable about star wars, posts seem to be very fluffy with star wars knowledge but when you get down to it, they haven't really had any advantageous analysis for the jedi)

Awesome and all lynch vote winners, go to Mr Wu's pigs :eek:

"Chinaman is not the correct nomenclature, Dude."

What movie is that from?

I’m out in 15 minutes. Where do you guys want my vote? I don’t want to move it anywhere to start something or everyone will think I am trying to Sith the vote. It is probably worthless where it is (despite my belief otherwise) as no one is going to support taking Hoops. I was hoping we would have a better consensus by now.

Saldana, can I give my vote via proxy to go to the candidate with the highest vote count at the deadline. If a tie, it does not get applied?

We've had one lynch remotely close to nailing a Sith.

It's fine that you don't trust me. I don't know that I trust very many people with the exception of Gramm at this point, and possibly hoops, but I do want to know one thing:

you say my posts haven't had any advantageous analysis for the Jedi.

I refer you back to our kill success rate.

Has ANYBODY'S analysis proven advantageous thus far? If I'm on your distrust list for having Star Wars knowledge but not having drawn out a Sith, then I think everybody in the game belongs there at this point.

Okay, the Celestial.

Gramm,

Put it on Sack. I am a Jedi. I really think we are going to lose if you vote for me.

I'm gonna go Big Lebowski.

Very good Sack. You now move up to my mostly distrusted list.

:p

You *think* we're going to lose if we vote for you. Not confident in your Jedihood?

I'll go you one better: I *know* we're going to lose if you vote for me. Best case scenario, it eliminates our safety buffer for finding the Sith. Worst case, my death triggers their victory condition by evening the odds.

I am Jedi.

Vote as you will.

In the interests of self-preservation: Vote KWhit

Can I jump out of an airlock?

The best thing you got is to parse my statement with "think" versus "know?" Come on, even if we lynch another Jedi tonight there is a chance of us winning which is clearly what I meant. But it will be a slight chance because the numbers are not in our favor at this point.

I do mind. The Dude minds. This will not stand, you know, this aggression will not stand, man.

I need to run. If the votes stay the way they are and I get lynched, this may be my last post in the thread. So I want you guys to remember this post from above when you see that I'm just a Jedi.

Today, 03:59 PM	#1820
KWhit Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA Posts: 4,985	Quote: Originally Posted by hoopsguy Penny, no new info at all. Just the fact that four out of seven votes are on him already. Hopefully this is because we have the right guy and the Sith aren't going to have the numbers to save him late. But the other alternative is that we have the wrong guy again and they are laughing. I'm not ready to move my vote just yet, but wondering if other people have the same sense of unease that is creeping over me about how today has gone to this point. Okay. Guys, take note of this post. If I'm lynched tonight, you'll find out I'm a Jedi. When you do, remember this post. I do not think a Sith would say this at this point. I believe Hoops is 100% good now. So if I do go tonight, start working with him as the center of your circle of trust, because there is no way at this point that a Sith would post what he just posted. The Sith are thrilled with the way today's vote is going and aren't going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

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I’m out the door, my proxy offer stands if Saldana will accept the application of a vote in that manner. Otherwise I will leave it as it stands. Good luck fellow Jedi.

May the force be with you

unvote KWhit

Vote Sackattack


Lets see if this changes anyone's play.

As I said earlier, I think the numbers are either 6-3 us or 5-4 us.

If it's 6-3 us, it's going to be 5-3 after you lynch me. If you get around Gramm's bodyguard ability, the Jedi will be heading into tomorrow with a 4-3 margin and still no Sith kill.

If it's 5-4, the game is going to end when you lynch me.

It's awfully late in the game to be saying "It's okay to lynch a Jedi because we still have the numbers."

That's a Sith attitude. I'm keeping my vote on you. Hopefully others will join me.

I have to go to work. May the Force be with my fellow true Jedi.

The more you keep pushing this idea the more I think you could be a cunning Sith and you are in cahoots with Hoops.

Just let the Death Star shoot us down.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Airport!

See, I have knowledge of movies other than Star Wars.

Working 3-11pm, all. Hopefully I come back to see you guys did the right thing.

With that said, I am keeping my vote on Sack.

It's Airplane.

That's what I meant, but I typed that in a hurry because I'm trying to get the hell out of here. :p

I accept my rebuke.

Updated vote totals as of Post #1858:

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Sack (1845), Penny (1851)

Not voted: Taz

Going into today I definitely distrusted KWhit more than Sack. At this point I think I would go the other way on it but with a 5-2 edge (assuming Gram stays on me) I don't think I need to move my vote.

Also, I'm now on a different candidate than the people that I have the most suspicion of going forward: King and Penny, with Cartman a distant 3rd. If Sack is a Sith they move up my trust list.

The only problem with this theory is if the game ends today with a wrong lynch vote.

what's the vote count? and who hasn't voted yet?

My main concern is with how many Sith are out there? If it is a werewolf ratio then we have around 3 or 4 Sith. That means they can have a block vote of 3 or 4, which with the numbers being so low is very powerful at this point in the game.

hoops you have a vote wrong. I just looked it up Sack didn't vote himself.

Penny you still like you list of sith?

I believe you had Sack, Kwhit & King...correct?

That means that as it stands now they are voting out one of there own.

Sack voted KWhit out of self preservation

That kind of scares me that Sack, Penny and Cartman and Kwhit all voted with me.

Meanwhile Hoops and Sun still have votes on KWhit.

When KWhit was in the lead the votes were spread around more.

Very odd and very Sith-like for the vote to get down to a 1v1 showdown.

UNVOTE SACK
VOTE KWHIT

Oops, have Sack's vote on himself, which is not the case.

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

Not voted: Taz

4-3, much different scenario. Taz, what are your thoughts on these two? Chances are good that if one is a Sith, and we leave it close, that they will try to influence it at the end.

so with gram "out of the picture" with his vote

Taz becomes the tie vote now or the lynch vote....as it stands now.

Thanks for the catch, all. Internet access here has been a little funky all day, been trying to post the updated list for the last 5-10 minutes.

Updated as of Post #1870 (sorry for confusion):

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

Not voted: Taz

I don't get why gram would stay on hoops. I think he proved himself through his actions to be pretty trusted, if this comes back to bite us I'm not going to be happy about it.

Ugh, my vote switch was due to Hoops post that the vote count was 5-2.

UNVOTE KWHIT

Damn it!

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845), King (1866)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

No votes: Taz

Fixed it. At this point I'm still sticking with it for the most part. I think KWhit's actions today seem pretty Jedi-ish with trying to leave us with important information in the event he died. So, I guess for now my main suspicions fall on KingFC and Sackattack.

King was the first to vote Sack though, but at the time I'm not sure he knew enough people would jump on the vote to actually lynch Sack. Maybe it was a cover. Maybe I'm just really confused. :(

hoops - my vote post was after yours FYI the 1600's were a day ago. hold on a sec I'll tell you what #

And with the unvote, tied 3-3 as of post #1873.

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

No votes: Taz, King

SnDvls, 1804? Will double-check it as well ...

Does anyone else want to take over posting these totals? I'm clearly retarded at this point.

found it 1792

King, what the hell are you doing? This is very suspicious of you. Especially if Sack turns out to be Sith and you ended up taking your vote off of him.

Penny, I'll take some of the heat for King's vote movement if it was based on my crappy numbers.

SnDvls, confirmed 1792.

As of Post #1879:

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1792), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

No votes: Taz, King

The vote count prior to my initial switch to Sack was very spread out. After my change the vote according to Hoops post (I should have tracked it myself) had swung way over to Sack.

A 5-2 vote this late screamed "block vote" for the Sith and that is why I changed back to KWhit. When I saw Saldana's post with the correct number I unvoted and that is where I'm sitting right now.

Well, I just found it weird that 2 of the people that I think are Jedi (SnDvls and Hoops) are voting for KWhit while Sack had 4 votes from unknowns.

At this point, no one has challenged Gramm's reveal. I would then have take Gramm for a Jedi, which sucks since he is voting for someone who I also consider a Jedi.

Sack had 4 unknowns voting for him (before King's unvote) and KWhit having 1 unknown voting. If Sack is a Jedi, then there are 3 that I believe to be Jedi voting for KWhit. If Sack is a Sith then he is voting for KWhit the Jedi (or they could both be Sith).

If Sack is a Jedi then there has to be a Sith voting for him (all the other votes besides Sack's vote I consider are from Jedi).

And wasn't it you that suspected KWhit of being a Sith?

So either way we should get a Sith according to you.

That makes sense. I just want to point out that:

Does that mean you think Sack is now a jedi and KWhit is now a sith? I want to hear your answer to this because its going to have an effect on my feelings towards your role in this game.

As I stated earlier:


You moving your vote off of Sack is suspicious to me because I feel he's sith and like I said above I think KWhit has been pretty jedi-like in his actions today in defending himself. So, to me, you are moving your vote off of a sith and onto a jedi. Thats just my opinion though because I'm not SURE on either of them.

The post you quoted was following KWhit's post #1825. He basically came out and said Hoops,Taz and SnDvls are clear and wanted to build a circle of trust.

I then added that I am a Jedi and Gramm is likely the bodyguard.

That is 5 Jedi right there.

Now KWhit is either a Jedi or a Sith using his knowledge of who has good and evil to his advantage by building trust by calling a Jedi a Jedi this late in the game.

So I put him in my Jedi list and moved my vote to Sack. I think right now I almost want to move my vote to you since I think I am more sure of you being a Sith.

Jedi: Hoops, Taz, SnDvls, King, Gramm

50/50: KWhit, Sack

Sith: Penny, Cartman

VOTE PENNY

I think my numerous moves today have allowed us to gain some knowledge on who is likely Sith and who is not. I want to see if this creates any waves with roughly 3 hours to go before the deadline.

Well, if thats the way you feel move it to me. You'd just be voting to take out another jedi, but with your play today I'm sure thats exactly what you'd want to do.

Votes as of Post #1888:

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1792), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)
King - Penny (1887)

No votes: Taz

So as of right now it looks like it is coming down to Taz and preventing the Sith from moving anything.

Taz, if you are inclined to go Sack then I'll follow you over there to try and prevent late changes. If you are inclined to go KWhit then we could still be vulnerable to someone being compelled at the end.

Hoops fires the first shot at KWhit which was then equaled by Cartman voting Sack. SnDvls makes it 2-1 KWhit and that was followed by two votes for Sack (King and KWhit). Sack votes for KWhit which is then responded to by Penny's vote for Sack.

It looks like when the people I consider Jedi starting moving towards KWhit there was a response towards SackAttack.

VOTE KWhit

Somebody has to be a Sith.

Hoops - Jedi
Taz - Jedi
SnDvls - Jedi (vote moved)
Gramm - bodyguard
King - Jedi
KWhit - 50/50
Sack - 50/50
Penny - Sith
Cartman - Sith


You say you are a Jedi and that you feel cartman is a Jedi. Tell me who on my list would you move to replace you and cartman as Jedi? Do you think Hoops is Sith? Sndvls? Do you believe Gramm's bodyguard reveal?

UNVOTE PENNY
VOTE KWHIT

Good analysis Taz and I think we might pull this one out afterall.

Also, I think there is a good chance that KWhit will turn up as the cunning Sith.

Here is how the voting has gone so far.

Kingfc2 votes KWhit (1748)
TazFTW votes Gramm (1761)
Gramm votes Hoops (1766)
Pennywise votes KWhit (1773)
KWhit votes Kingfc22 (1776)
Hoops votes KWhit (1778)
Cartman votes SackAttack (1780)
SackAttack votes Gramm (1781)
SackAttack unvotes Gramm (1786)
SnDvls votes KWhit (1792)
TazFTW Unvotes Gramm (1804)
Kingfc22 unvotes KWhit (1826)
Kingfc22 votes SackAttack (1826)
KWhit unvotes kingfc22 (1835)
KWhit votes SackAttack (1835)
SackAttack votes KWhit (1845)
Pennywise unvotes KWhit (1851)
Pennywise votes SackAttack (1851)
Kingfc22 unvotes SackAttack (1866)
Kingfc22 votes KWhit (1866)
Kingfc22 unvotes KWhit (1872)
Kingfc22 votes Pennywise (1887)
TazFTW votes KWhit (1890)
Kingfc22 unvotes Pennywise (1892)
Kingfc22 votes KWhit (1892)

I, for one, think there are only two sith. A master and an apprentice, so 2 out of Sack, KWhit and you are sith in my mind. I'm not completely sold on Cartman as Jedi, but his voting record of 4 votes in a row for the same player makes me think he's a jedi and playing like a newbie.

Whoever is lynched tonight, out of Sack and KWhit, will give us a ton of information for tomorrow which is exciting. I just hope whoever ends up lynched is a sith so we don't have to go into complete panic mode during the next day cycle.

Vote count progression:

KWHIT 1
KWHIT 1 GRAMM 1
KWHIT 1 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1
KWHIT 2 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1
KWHIT 2 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 2 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 2
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 2
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 4
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3 Pennywise 1
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3 Pennywise 1
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3 Pennywise 0
KWHIT 5 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3 Pennywise 0

Stuck at work late at this point, but I have it 5-3-1 with KWhit leading Sack.

Will hit the road in a few minutes, be home with maybe an hour to go before deadline.

Sounds like votes are not moving from Gram, Sack, and KWhit barring a compelled vote, since they are out for the duration.

Unvote SackAttack

VOTW KWhit

I was in no way targeting SackAttack with my opening vote. I wanted to get a vote out there, but I wasn't a certain then as I am now about KWhit. The first vote was more of a placeholder than anything else.

Now it's 6-2-1, so there will have to be a lot of Sith movement to put the heat back on SackAttack.

duh, that should be VOTE in the post above, not VOTW. Keys are too close together.