A Tutor shooter.

Wait, you could play goal???

Give me a call!

Signed,

Don Waddell

Steve Shields resurfaced...

Might as well have been my 86 year old grandmother.

Interesting though, Hartley defended Shields a bit afterwards and that did match my impression that the lack of help from the skaters did leave him in a situation where pretty much any goalie was doomed to fail. Special teams play has got to improve or no goalie is going to stand a chance. And the best way to improve the special teams play right now appears to be avoiding the short-handed situation in the first place.

Kovalchuk took 4 minors last night, but the PP goals came after penalties to: Slater, Exelby, Kozlov, Bench, Savard, and Hossa; point being, there's plenty of blame to go around.

The bench penalty, for too many men on the ice, was particuarly irritating -- it led to the game-tying goal. And the subsequent double minor for roughing/holding that Savard took was a killer. Looking over the scoresheet, it appears to been part of a delayed penalty sequence that led to the tying goal AND set up the Pens go-ahead goal just :31 later.

Well I'm just glad that most of the goals against Atlanta came on the powerplay. That way, Marc Savard finished even last night and didn't sink my fantasy team! WHOOT!

During the too many me power play, the Pens scored during a delayed penalty to Savard. After the goal there was a penalty for roughing on Savard. On that power play the Pens got the go-ahead goal.

Well then, Sachmo's fantasy team should suffer in same way, shape, or form due to Mr. Savard's apparent idiocy that led to this unfortunate chain of events.

He actually would benefit, since PIMs are good in fantasy hockey. Don't know why but they are.

Because hockey is a violent sport, and all of its fans like ice violence.

I have been in one league where they actually hurt you. I guess I could see why they would do it that way (because it's not good being short handed), but I like it when PIMs are a good thing. It's kind of a proxy for "team toughness."

yep, back when I played fantasy hockey, we tried it both ways. It seemed much more "realistic" when PIMs were a good thing.

Hey Sach,

Thanks for the win last night. :)

Well the sky is falling again... the Leafs loose 8-0. But I made a killing in fantasy points because I have Heatley, Spezza, and Redden on my team.

But the more important news... HOCKEY DAY IN CANADA IS IN STEPHENVILLE, NEWFOUNDLAND THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's an 8 hour drive from St. John's... but who cares, I'll be making the drive out their that weekend for sure!!

8 hours?!?!!? I could be South of the Mason-Dixon line in that amount driving... and, well, based on how people around here's accents that's a long freaking way!

sabres finally get their heads out of their asses to beat the Isles

You did me a huge favor...

I was thinking of not reading this thread, and watching the Isles game on DVR... had I watched us fucking blow a 3rd period lead I would have been off the wall after RPI did the same thing tonight.

So, thanks!!!

480 Miles... which is about 750 km with stopping and the like it's around 8 hours. If you look at a map of Newfoundland, while St. John's and Stephenville are on opposite sides of the island it doesn't seem like they are that far apart. But our highway system basiclly follows the coast because of all the small outports and fishing communities.

If there was a highway straight across the interior it would probably cut the drive down by 3 hours or so.

Thrashers blow a 2-0 lead and lose again, this time 3-2 to Tampa Bay.

Game-winner from Modin hits the skate or stick of Havelid & goes in with 12:57 left.
Thrashers pull Shields in the final minute ... and Kovalchuk promptly takes an interference penalty to negate the man-advantage. Less than 4 minutes into the game, Ilya got 2 minutes (and a 4.9 from the Russian judge) for diving.

And, just for those keeping score ... Andy Sutton doesn't make it through the 1st period, courtesy of this sequence
ATL, A. SUTTON, 16:12 - Elbowing
T.B, V. LECAVALIER, 16:12 - Fighting (maj)
ATL, A. SUTTON, 16:12 - Game misconduct
ATL, A. SUTTON, 16:12 - Fighting (maj)

But that score is misleading... if you didn't see the game, the Leafs came very close to getting a late touchdown that would have given them a shot at tying it up on the two-pointer.

And I thought Vinny got the best of him in the short fight, too.

I spent a half hour there, sitting in an Air Canada jet when I was a kid. I was on a flight to Gander with my grandparents. Seemed like a really small town, other than the big runway we landed on.

:)

I saw the game... the score should have been 20-1. There was a point where I thought the Leafs would get a goal, the rest of the game the Leafs just sucked.

The town has roughly 8,000 people right now.

However, and if you saw the HNIC announcement they touched on this briefly, the Pulp & Paper Mill there is being closed. The company that owns it said they were going to close it months ago because of power difficulties, so the government agreed to give them $120 Million to help the situation and to keep those jubs secure. Now the company wants the union to make concessions on it's last CBA. Basiclly the whole thing was a union busting tactic... the union won't budge, and so aprox. half the town are now out of a job.

That in addition to half the town being flooded last month... and I mean New Orleans flooding, not just water in your basement... it's been a pretty crappy few months for the folks of Stephenville.

Hopefully they'll get a boost in tourism from this, and a bit of fun as well.

PS - Was your grandfather in the US military?

Nope, that was earned.

Stars must lead the league in penalties taken in the last 4 minutes of a game. Sheesh.

Now here's an odd little blurb from the ajc.com game story: Sutton's game misconduct was "for not having his sweater tied down during a fight". I don't know if I've ever heard that one before.

That has been a rule for several years now.

No, he is from Shoal Harbour, which is close to Clarenville, I believe. We were going up to visit family.

Call it the Rob Ray rule.

(But seriously, who doesn't tie their jerseys down now?)

Oh I knew there was some sort of rule about it, I just couldn't recall seeing it come up before.

It usually happens to a handful of guys a year. Even rarer is the automatic game misconduct for three fighting majors in a game. I was at a game in Nashville where, after Jeremy Stevenson had been in two fights, the Oilers goaded him into another one and got him tossed.

I've always been a big fan of the automatic match penalty for fighting with tape on your fingers.

Now that probably only happens once a season these days.

How many 5-hole goals did Eddie give up? I switched it after the first two. A horrific display in goaltending.

He could've used a few defensemen, but those guys didn't feel like playing hockey last night.

Can someone explain to me how Heatley scored four goal last night, the Leafs scored zero... yet his plus\minus was a +3?

He had a power play goal

SI

I still have wood from that Avs comeback win last night. Colorado is 2nd in the league in scoring (HB can tell you who is first). Freaking Carolina is 3rd in the league in scoring, and hasn't even played Atlanta yet :)

any word on Cloutier? he got his bell rung pretty good last night.

To prevent unrealistic stats-whoring, the league passed a rule that goals scored when Belak is on the ice don't count towards +/-.

Wade Belak is still in the league? really?

They don't count towards your +\-?

power play goals don't, short handed goals do.

I could be wrong, but I think you don't get a + for a goal on the powerplay, and you don't get a - for conceding while killing a penalty.

you are correct...and one minute late. :D
empty net goals, btw, count (unless it's on a PP)

Not wrong :)

I'm amazed somebody named 'Canadian' doesn't know this.

I don't believe Joe Canadian is his real name. :cool:

Dude, you really need to come up with some better material...

That wasn't meant as a joke! It just shocked me, that question coming from you.

you'd think a Saint would be nicer to other people...

ok, I'll stop now.

anywho, back to hockey and a fun little thing from Friday night's Sharks Kings game:
midway through the 2nd period, with the game tied 3-3, San Jose scored a goal and Murray pulled Mathieu Garon. While the switch was being made, the reviewed the goal and ultimately ruled (correctly) that it was not a goal (it was kicked in). But it's not like Murray could change his mind at that point, so Garon ultimately got pulled for a goal he didn't allow.

It'd be funnier if he did change his mind.

I agree. I was hoping he would.

Mike Keenan would have.

Stars start out in a 2-0 hole AGAIN!!
Nice win, very exciting and all of that, but it's getting a bit tiring.

Sounds like Carolina's season for the past week. Down 2 goals in just about every game and found a way to win. It's going to catch up to them eventually, but they're on a helluva roll right now.

I have a question for any Kings fans out there (or others that are just 'in the know')... is Labarbera close to becoming the full-time #1? Have there been any rumblings that the platoon with Garon is nearing a conclusion?

The reason that I ask is Fantasy related. My goalie trio is Aebischer, Niitymaki, and Labarbera, with Labarbera on the bench. I only get 7 bench/active swaps for the season, so I have to be very careful with each one. I am very tempted to swap Labarbera in for Niitymaki...

Even if he doesn't earn the job outright (and you have to think he's close with the way he's played compared to Garon), he's going to play more than Niitymanki this year.

I think the Kings still like Garon better...but right noe Labarbera is out playing him.

Pavel Bure officially retires as a player, and is named GM of the Russian Olympic team... one interesting quote from him:

"You won't see grouchy players here anymore. Only those who really want to play for Russia will be called into the team."

That made me smile...

That is too funny.

I'm not a Blackhawks fan but Jiri Fischer is a punk.

What happened? I saw he fought Barnaby.

*damn working late*

He pushed/tripped Barnaby into Legace (he should have gotten a penalty for that, imo), then Legace hurt his knee, then he started punching Barnaby in the back of the head, while he was still down. There is no way he didn't realize he had pushed Barnaby into his goalie; he did it on purpose. Unless there was something else that happened earlier off camera, it was a totally pussy move.

Um yeah, when I think of "punks" in the NHL, I think of Fischer.

(rolleyes and yawn)

Now Barnaby, that's another story.

Barnaby's definitely a chippy player, I agree. I didn't mean that Fischer was being dirty (although he was), I meant he was being unmanly. He was clearly in the mood to provoke Barnaby, for whatever reason, and in the process, hurt his own goaltender. Then he didn't have the stones to face Barnaby mano a mano.. as soon as Barnaby had his feet, Fischer was looking to hide. It was one of the weakest sequences I can remember from a hockey player.

Dear sterlingice aka "SI",

I know you have a hard time watching hockey out there in Kansas, so I just wanted to give you an update on your Blackhawks. The Detroit Red Wings have beaten the Chicago Blackhawks THREE times (yes, three times) in a row.

The scores were as follows:
5-2
4-2
4-1

The Wings are now 11-1 and have won 9 games in a row. Let me know if you'd like any additional information regarding these games.

Regards,

H_B

Oooh.

SNAP!

Thrashers win 6-4 at Tampa.

Key stat? How about only THREE penalties on Atlanta all night, and all of those in the first 20 minutes.

You weren't watching the same game as me apparantly. The announcers weren't either. I used Tivo to go back a few times, and it was CLEAR that Barnaby jumped backwards PRIOR to being touched by Fischer. It was close, but he would have landed on Manny anyway. I would have punched the shit out of him as well.

Either you don't watch much hockey or you're a fucking drama queen. That kind of crap happens all the time, especially around goalies, regardless of who pushed who.

Fixed it for ya.

It's nice to know I'm loved and thought of even in these dark times. :p

Man, usually we play you guys a lot closer than that. Thankfully I've been spared the tv of these games as all we get out here is the occasional Blues game on FS-Midwest (did see Blues/Hawks earlier this season and there's another coming up in a week or so) and OLN. And what's with the 3 back-to-back-to-back games? I've never seen that before in my life. Then again, this is the new "unbalanced schedule".

Enjoy that President's Trophy and subsequent playoff choke ('sall I got) ;)

SI

Fischer's stick was between Barnaby's legs when he pushed him. It was an intentional trip that got his goalie hurt. I played goalie for my high school, so I know about protecting goalies, and Fischer's tactics were idiotic and ineffective; if I were Legace I'd be furious with him, not Barnaby.

Thanks for the kind words, though.

Looking forward to a good tilt on Thursday. Oilers might be a streaky team, but right now they're on the good side of one of those streaks. We snuck one in against Nashville, hopefully we can get a couple of early ones on Detroit before they wake up.

Another high school goalie chiming in here.

While Fischer was stupid, Barnaby jump backwards. Fischer may've helped but Barnaby was going to land on him, or at least pretty damn close regardless.

You have no proof whatsoever to say that it was intentional. Sticks go between legs all the time, and I know for a fact that it's not always intentional. I watched the play, and they got tangled up as Fischer was trying to remove a guy from the crease who was screening his goalie. If Barnaby hadn't jumped (not that he shouldn't have jumped since he was screening), he would have never tripped over Jiri's stick. My point is that it wasn't Fischer's fault and it wasn't Barnaby's fault. The video evidence proves that fact, imo.

Martin Havlat.

I watched most of the Panthers game against Montreal last night, and Dennis Potvin (one of FL's announcers) repeatedly was making a point of how the refs seem to be making calls just based on someone falling down and not actual penalties, as well as being very inconsistent and not calling dives, and man was he right. Florida came back from 3-1 down to take a 4-3 lead, then Montreal tied in on a PPG with 8 seconds left. So in OT, one of the Canadiens steps on his own stick behind his goal and falls down, and one of the Panthers got nailed for a penalty. Completely bogus. As if a PP in OT isn't bad enough, Montreal's game-winning shot came as a result of one of the defensemen chopping a FL defenseman behind the knee, allowing a cross-ice pass and an open-net goal.

The game was exciting, but to see that kind of crap decide the game was frustrating and took any enjoyment out of it (and not just because Florida lost). I think there were 18 PPs in the game, and probably a quarter of them were as a result of dives or plays falling over themselves, and not real penalties. Potvin suggested that if guys keep getting called for non-existent penalties, they're going to decide they need to get their money's worth for a 2 minute penalty and that guys are going to start getting hurt.

Interesting comments, even moreso since they played out at the end of the game just as he was saying.

That doesn't make any sense to me. What does "getting your money's worth" even mean? You hit someone harder? Rip out the spine with your stick? If everyone is taking bogus calls, they need to complain to the league, but these guys are smarter than this.

Good to see the Thrash win, not the least of which is because it keeps the Canes in first place another day.

well, Denis is correct about the penalties. They are calling some lame shit, and, as a result, dives are becoming a minor epidemic.
but yeah, the 2nd part of that is pretty much bunk. For the most part, players don't inentionally get a penalty, and that would be necessary for his theory to work.

The NHL needs to start shaming these divers. Imagine if in the NFL, there were WRs who would hit the turf on every play to try to draw an interference penalty. Sure, you have guys who always look for a flag, but they don't roll around on the ground to try to get one. They'd be laughed out of the league. Why should a hockey player be any different?

The league used to publish a "divers" list for the refs.Maybe they need to do that again.

I'm not sure a list like that could ever be completey, fair, objective and correct.

I'd be all for that. Of course, every single player ever named on the list acted shocked and offended that anyone would accuse them of diving, so it was scrapped.

Something that would help: tell the refs to stop giving two penalties when they see a dive. I understand that it's possible to have a hook/trip and a dive on the same play, but why not make the dive negate the foul? The way it is now you don't really risk anything by diving -- you may lose a powerplay, but you'll just wind up four-on-four. I'd like to see teams have to kill a penalty because someone decided to try to embarass the ref by cartwheeling down the ice.

I still don't think the refs can be sure if something is a blatant dive 100% of the time, and for that reason making those calls are very tough. That fact also makes any compiled list fallible, imo.

Why not make the penalty for diving a major? That way, even if there was a hook/trip on the play, it's 4-on-4 for 2 minutes followed by a 3 minute powerplay for the other team?

I also think that refs should be extra vigilant about diving, and call anything even borderline. A player should be fighting to stay on his feet 100% of the time, and if doing so it would be EXTREMELY rare to ever have a fall be seen as anything other than legitimate.

I've long been puzzled by how you can call a dive and an offsetting penalty. If the player was in fact tripped, how can he be called for diving?

I've been saying this since they took up the crackdown on diving, I can't understand the point of a crackdown if there really is no penalty for the bad act. As it stands now, there very rarely is a PP for the opposing team. Diving is worthy of a major penalty in my eyes, and hopefully next year they make this so.

I still think that 50% of the time diving is called (or used to be), there's no way to prove that the guy was really diving. I don't trust ref's and linesmen's judgement enough to give them free reign to make such debatable (some of the time) calls.

I don't think the stats are 50\50... I think that there are times diving is called when the player didn't dive, but generally, at least now, the refs do a good job at it. Diving is like any other call, it can be debated but we leave the judgement up to the officials on the ice. If we don't, how do we stop it?

In theory the guy could be tripped, but then embellish it on the way down. That makes sense from time-to-time, but you can't tell me it happens every single time (the way the refs seem to call it).

There will be a few guys who get called unfairly, and you would see a lot of calls based on reputation. But like anything else, the refs can be trained to spot dives. It's really not that hard -- just watch the hands. The natural reaction to being knocked down unexpectedly is to try to break your fall. But when you want to embellish it, the instinct is to throw your hands up as you go down. So if the hands go up, it's usually a dive.

I think more PP's simply isn't the solution to ANY problems at this point. The NHL has enough issues with refs being inconsistent and calling 20 penalties in a game -- giving them reason to call more isn't the best answer, at this time, I don't think.

Man, the kings OWN the Stars this year!

I think fan overreaction to too many penalties is what causes the game to continually slide back to crap within weeks of every "crackdown". I find it eternally frustrating that media and fans alike spend the entire off-season bemoaning the terrible state of the game, then 3 weeks into the season start whining about all of the penalties.

What people need to understand is that there has to be a transition period, and it's not overnight. A coach who is losing games because his team is in the box 12 times a night will not tolerate it over the length of a season. Unfortunately, it never comes to that because crackdowns are abolished by December.

I'd love it if they called obstruction. But some of the non-veteran referees were getting out of control. They would call the most bogus slashing, or interference penalties in the zones. With some of these guys hitting simply isn't a factor.

So, I'd rather have a slightly slowed down game with most things called in the neutral zone but a little slower offensive zone play, than everything called and the parade to the penalty box that some referees seem to set up.

BTW, I was saying the EXACT same thing as you in the past. But the fact is, the referees can't handle things if they aren't given a specific directive, so I think what is called and not called needs to be more clear, and that means making more things allowable.

Also, a sign that things are a little out of control IMO:

In the past, even early on the crackdowns, I could pretty much always see exactly what it was that was called. Now (and this was magnified in the Isles/Philly game I went to), it seems like around 30-50% of penalties I have NO clue what they were for until they show the replay. Some refs seem to be out there just looking for anything to call.

Ya know....i'm gonna get skewered for saying this...but....does'nt the game just seem too much like pond hockey now...there is no animosity in the games,no toughness...i'm not talking about fighting,but i'd like to see a little more roughness.

Naw, I'm not gonna skewer you. It's a matter of taste, as in the case of women. I like Scarlett Johansson. You like Bea Arthur. No biggie. ;)

LOL:D