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I've always thought it was amusing that the same Americans that elected trump and scream about English being the language, and foreigners that never assimilate and don't deserve to be here, are the same ones that don't seem too concerned about the large amount of Orthodox Jews, or the Amish communities we have throughout the US.
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This would be an interesting test for NATO.
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Israel also called for the evacuation of the heaviest populated areas of Tehran. It is also where some of the biggest weapons manufacturing plants are.
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Weird timeline when MTG and Tucker Carlson are your biggest antiwar voices in the country at the moment. Also really funny seeing these guys when they don't get lobbed softballs by Fox News.
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What kind of bizarro world do we live in when I actually like Tucker Carlson, but then anybody sitting across from Ted Cruz is likeable I guess.
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Trump reportedly liked the coverage Israel was getting on Fox News and wanted to jump in and start taking some credit for it, which is where the "we" stuff and his interest in pulling us into the conflict came from. Everyone seems to know it too, since MGT and Tucker have both blamed Fox News for this. |
I still just want to punch both of them in the face.
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I think that's just how MAGA operates. Trump can never make a mistake, it has to be advisors or news networks that cause the problem. Its how people used to talk about royalty. |
It's so fucking hard to praise Tucker, but he's absolutely right that a senator leading the call for war should have studied the country. There was a time that a performance like this would have ended up with the guys at the top gelding Cruz, but those guys are bigger idiots than he is, so...
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That was the dumbest conversation. Also, tucker works for Putin, it's not really a surprise he's on Iran's side on this.
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WSJ and WaPo reporting that Israel is running low on its Arrow interceptor missiles. Iran has a lot of ballistic missiles left but are limited by the launchers, and not all of those have the range to hit Israel.
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Apparently, Iran has their own version of Bagdad Bob ... Tehran Terry.
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So basically this is like a YouTuber boxing match where they talk all kinds of shit, try to punch hard for a round, then lean on each other for the rest of the bout.
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Why are the options spend a couple trillion in another disastrous way in the Middle East or side with Russia? Iran is no threat to any of us and has no tangible impact on our lives. They did not start the war. |
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I remember when Ted Cruz was a screaming-loony right-wing Congressman and now he's a vilified member of the Washington establishment.
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Trump has approved the attack plans, but is holding out hope Iran will fully surrender its nuclear program.
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They don't have a nuclear weapons program so this is kind of pointless.
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“President Donald Trump is getting comfortable with the idea of taking out Iran's Fordo nuclear facility. It would not be just one strike on the facility, it would be several. There is now a movement to get ready for this.” Sent from my SM-S938U using Tapatalk |
It’s great that he’s asking this question …
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I suspect he's mostly concerned about how many days he'll have to stay in Washington for situation room updates instead of golfing if he goes ahead with these actions.
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lol Trump says he'll decide about Iran in two weeks.
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So why hire Hegseth and Tulsi if they're going to be cut out of all decision making and planning?
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Same reason he hires attorneys then doesn't take their advice. He is a raging narcissist who thinks he always knows better than anyone, even the experts (not that Hegseth and Gabbard are) |
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We have Stephen Miller in charge of ICE and the military. Apparently Hegseth is so incompetent he's been cut out of all decision making. Miller has so much control over domestic policy that he overruled Trump on stopping ICE raids on farms and hospitality services. Tulsi is on the outside of everything because she pissed off Trump with her anti-nuclear war post a week or so ago and because she told Trump Iran isn't close to having nukes. Trump has fired 10 people from her office and is reportedly considered shuttering the national security council because he hasn't agreed with their assessments. This administration it seems Trump has no interest in directing domestic policy and has just let Miller do whatever while he focuses on the economy and foreign policy. |
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Dunno about that. Lots of reports of a lot of hardware moving to that region. But agree it’s good. If anything, up to 2 weeks is a good amount of time for Israel to continue pounding Irans offensive/defensive capabilities. And enough time for “give peace a chance”. Lots of Israeli redditors are PO’d but that’s okay. If it was a one and done, for sure destroyed then great. But do think it’s valid for Trump to ask what if it’s not; or if Iran retaliates and kills US citizens or civilians etc. and then we’re force to continue the cycle. |
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I meant that tongue in cheek. Trump is all over the place. It is really hard to tell if he is Sabre rattling to scare Iran into a deal, or if he really wants to bomb them. I think he would prefer not to, and come out with some kind of diplomatic win. That's the best thing you can generally say about him. He wants to seem tough, but he does not want to go to war. My fear is he has painted himself into a corner which will end up forcing his hand.
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Israel painted everyone into a corner by starting whatever this is and not having the weapons needed to accomplish their objectives. If I had a butter knife I wouldn’t go cut down a red wood. If I didn’t have bunker busting bombs I wouldn’t start a war where my objective is to render a bunker inoperable.
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I think he's in a weird spot and just doesn't know how to proceed. Normally you just do what Israel tells you and start a war. Manufacture consent through the press which is easy these days. But his base actually has a contingent that is very anti-war (or maybe just opposed to money being spent outside the country to be more exact).
Now you can argue that the "America First" contingent is smaller, but it's also really vocal. And I think it is filled with a lot of people who were not politically active before Trump. Seeing a lot of influencers, podcast hosts, etc speak out heavily against going to war with Iran. So if that side sticks to their guns, that's a really vocal contingent of mostly young people who you are pissing off. What does help him is the absence of an opposition party. Maybe they are taking into account that those America First people have nowhere else to go. So they'll be mad, but they're kind of stuck. |
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I like giving this a shot. But don't think Bibi wants the chance of something acceptable coming out of it that will give Trump an out for attacking Fordo. I think the odds of Israeli ground action at Fordo has gone up. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c994v4gm9jmt Quote:
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This is a really good thread of what a US attack on the Iranian nuclear facility will look like, and the risks involved.
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She breaks down the strengths and weaknesses of stealth. The B-2's will need still need many support planes to safely get to target, and there will likely be casualties.
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We'll almost certainly hit the target, but we'll probably have some losses as well.
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Man I remember when Kushner brought mid east peace to the world and trump bragged that nobody had even thought of it before.
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Sure hope it’s one and done and Bibi can do the rest but fair chance we’ll be dragged further into this. |
Guess we are at war with Iran now.
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It makes sense that he made very public statements about waiting for a couple of weeks. This fits actions in the past that tried to head-fake moderation then attack.
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Israel wasn’t capable of accomplishing their objectives. We were always going to be involved in this.
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