I think it's up to the voters to punish the categorizations rather than the rule. Nobody would have stopped somebody from drafting Nate Robinson as a center.

Esp. if we are permitted to "sell" our list before voting begins. You can make a case for one-hit wonders (when they are technically not) because that would be the only hit most can think of. With Imagine, I wanted that song (it's #1 on many lists) so I stretched love songs to mean ballads as well.

True... though I guess it will be pointed out by the voters that some choices are just horrible and don't fit. And anyway, "God Bless the U.S.A." is probably poorer than a number of one hit wonders left :D.

Right now, I think lordscarlet is slamming this draft up its ass. All he needs is the money shot.

It's like a fuckin;' coronation is coming up.

Except his Classic and Epic picks pale in comparison to some others and his Trendsetter definitely belongs in One-Hit. Just sayin'.

lordscarlet had a hall of fame first half, but his last few picks have been just meh. I still have him in the top group, though.

Re: one-hit wonders.

It's actually a very tough category to define. Most songs that we think of as one-hit wonders weren't there artist's only hit, especially if you look at artists from other countries or genres.

Wiki has a cool article on this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_hit..._of_definition

I think Subby is the only one that hasn't made a questional pick. The rest of us has to go on our strengths.

Lola as a love song is definitely questionable. But I think voters will think of it as the "oh, that's kind of cool" questionable instead of "he's just trying to cheat the system" questionable. It's a fine line but he should be OK.

I'd argue a bit with Madonna being a trendsetter only because I have a tough time thinking of much good music that followed her trend, other than her own. I guess female pop singers being skanks was a trend, and if so then may god bless her.

I'm not a fan of Subby's list, at all, including his first round pick.

Now that is some campaigning! :)


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I knew Epic and Classic would run up a lot of good choices early. I decided to take things that were as strong as I could in shallow categories early. I hope the strategy works, and I think it has so far. I think my Epic and Classic picks are solid, but may not play as well to the voters as some other picks. I'm willing to accept that because I think they are quality picks. There are definitely some good lineups out there and hopefully I can round out my team with a good finish.

But there was a better one before that.

Even if voters generally give me low scores on Imagine, I am hoping some of my other picks will make up for it. A team can still win by hitting nothing but 3-run HRs among strikeouts.

Speaking of Subby, where is he? It's his pick. Doesn't he know he should be online at 2 O'Clock on a Saturday afternoon?

I think the Madonna pick was the biggest stretch yet.

I think Maple Leafs is damn solid (Thriller in round 5 helped), but the cover could have been better. He's definately one of the top lists so far, IMO.

I agree.

Even with his lousy cover? Just sayin'. :) :) :)

It's becoming clear to me in hindsight that taking Johnny Cash as crossover instead of using Hurt as a cover was an enormous strategical error.

Says the guy with "Imagine" as his love song :p.

I do have some picks from Subby but they're a few days old so I'm going to hold off and give him a chance to drop in. No point rushing, especially since I don't have another pick for Lathum at this point.

Uh, this is like the Houston Texans saying that drafting David Carr was a mistake, they should have taken Joey Harrington.

Proof positive that I have done a great job :)

My loins are girded.

Get out your lighters folks. It's Ozzfest time!
Arena Song: Ozzy Osbourne - Mama I'm Coming Home

Sing along with Ozzy now!

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover -
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

No it isn't... especially considering how the lists are going to be judged (by voting). I guess it depends on the relative worths of the crossover and cover songs you have to pick from (and the one you actually do).

Is this going to be a straight up-down vote or will there be scores involved?

You like country. You like it with a rock edge. You like when country guys go a little rock. And you like it when satan gets his ass served in a fiddlin' competition. Here's the best crossover from my youth:

The Charlie Daniels Band - The Devil Went Down to Georgia

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover - The Charlie Daniels Band, The Devil Went Down to Georgia (9-1)
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

Now that's good.

Lathum's pick:

Classic -Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix- 3.2
Epic - BaBa O'reilly ( also known as teenage wasteland)- The Who - 2.9
Arena - Iron Man- Black Sabbath- 6.9
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song - At Last- Eda James - 4.9 ( heard at every wedding)
One-Hit Wonder - Four Non Blondes - Whats Going On? - 9.2
Party - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer - George Thorogood - 7.2
Crossover -
Cover - A little help from my friends - Joe Cocker - 8.9
Anti-Establishment -American Idiot-Green Day 5.2

I was just looking around at covers and came across the "Hurt" video. Good stuff. hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO9dbmJ_2zU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eretrocrush%2Ecom%2Fcovers%2F1%2D25%2Ehtml


I don't see that at all. You don't think "Hurt" would be a quality cover song?

I like what Oilers has done so far. I don't see a mistep for him so far.

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors
Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song - 7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe - Barry White
One-Hit Wonder - 8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American) - Lee Greenwood
Party -
Crossover - 6.8 - Lose Yourself - Eminem
Cover - 9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U - Sinead O'Connor
Anti-Establishment - 5.3 - Fortunate Son - Creedence Clearwater Revival

I think "cover song" is far and away the deepest position in the draft.

Butter_of_69's choice

Classic - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - 9.4
Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4
Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4
Trendsetter - Heart of Glass - Blondie - 8.7
Love Song - My Girl - The Temptations, 6.7
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - Celebration - Kool and the Gang, 5.4
Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7
Killing Me Softly - The Fugees - Cover, 7.4
Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7

True.

Perhaps so, but there are plenty of this board who'd make the argument that Cash's "Hurt" is the greatest cover song of all time.

Classic - 8.6 - What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong
Epic - 5.5 - Thriller - Michael Jackson
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song - 6.6 Unchained Melody - The Righteous Brothers
One-Hit Wonder - 9.5 - 99 Luftballons - Nena
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover - 7.5 - Burning Down the House - Tom Jones & The Cardigans
Anti-Establishment -

I've been listening to my Epic pick on youtube. ;)

Nice pick! Didn't stumble on the one-hit, so I think the list just improves in ranking.

well darn it! now igotta find another one hit wonder.

I had it on my short list as well.

Some times I feel like I've got to
Run away I've got to
Get Away!

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder - 9.6--Tainted Love--Soft Cell
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

plus that gives me a chance to have supremes songs on my list twice since it is a medley with Where did my Love go?

A grand slam home run by the deacon. Brilliant pick.

Yeah, plenty of GREAT one hit wonder songs. No reason not to wait until the final few rounds to pick one.

I strongly disagree. It's deep in the sense that there are a ton of songs out there that are covers. But I think a really good pick in this category needs to be:

- a song that everyone likes
- a song that everyone knows is a cover (i.e. they know the original too)
- a song that feels different enough from the original that it's not just a copy

The list of songs like that is pretty short. Proud Mary for sure. Hurt, definitely. Knockin on Heaven's Door, I think so. All Along the Watchtower, yes. A handful of others.

I don't think "I Love Rock and Roll", for example, is a great cover, I think of it as a great song that had orignally been recorded by someone else. There's a difference.

Of course, the voters may have their own ideas...

Strangely, my top picks in 3 categories have not been called.
I get the feeling I would not have scored well if I was playing.

One Hit Wonder- Walking on Sunshine- Katrina and the Waves- 9.7

I am amazed this song is still on the board. I almost didn't pick it because maybe there's something I'm missing that makes it a bad choice. For the 8th pick of the ninth round I select the One-Hit Wonder "Mickey" by Toni Basil.

Classic - 8.3 - "A Change is Gonna Come", Sam Cooke
Epic - 6.3 - "Space Oddity", David Bowie
Arena - 5.8 - "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC/DC
Trendsetter - 2.3 - "Rapper's Delight", The Sugarhill Gang
Love Song - 7.8 - "Unforgettable" - Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole
One-Hit Wonder - 9.8 - "Mickey", Toni Basil
Party - 4.3 - "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party)", Beastie Boys
Crossover - 1.8 - "Walk This Way", Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 3.8 - "Killing in the Name", Rage Against the Machine