Hoops, the problem with going to the opium den is not everyone is seen. I went there and I wasn't seen, nor did I see anyone. There's a better chance of being seen, I think, if we visit a prostitute instead.

Just my opinion.

Much like mr. w couldnt answer the questions hoops wanted answered as it would have revealed my role, i cannot give you details of what i know as it would reveal at least 3 other roles. Im not willing to do that

Right, except dubb has said I'm just a prostitute. The rules state that prostitutes are on the side of good, not masons. Are you suggesting I was converted? Or maybe, as I suggested in 1700, the reason we're playing a similar game at the moment is for other erasons?

Give us your role at least. Telling that would shut me up as if you die that's all we learn anyway and would at least allow me to start to speculate about your reasons for playing the way you have.

Are the remaining bad guys in such a good spot that they would give up night kills? The people with special roles would potentially be announcing themselves by not being in that district, but don't we feel good enough about our understandings of remaining people left in the game that we are going to be picking from a small pool already tomorrow?

If the bad guys forego kills tomorrow with the hope of having more targeted kills on Night 5 then we have bought ourselves a day, which is clearly good for London. My guess is that they won't be able to take Night 4 off without doing long-term damage to their chances of winning the game.

Heck, this plan may help keep you alive an extra day - something you seemed to think was impossible earlier.

I agree with all these points. I think Whitechapel, despite having the opium den, is not a good place for this plan, as that's where Moriarty is most likely to be.

And mr. w(who is actually a confirmed good guy unlike dubb) says my role is on the side of good. The rules state the role i have is good, not a prostitute. Hell, i know of at least 4, count it 4, players alive who know my role.

As for masons, i assumed the masons had normal roles on top of being a mason..so for purposes of being a mason i dont think any role is exempt, including myself under that reasoning

Not during the night phase, im sorry...i can deal with you and your doubts, but i refuse to help the bad guy selection process.

Blade you're suggesting you are either Holmes or Chief of Inspectors as near as I can figure out. Most likely Holmes. I haven't paid too much attention to these sort of clues, but presumably Moriarty has. Now why you have to keep so mum on helping us narrow in on Moriarty, only makes sense if we can't vote to lynch him, which I see no reason to believe. I'm willing to go with the idea that revealing during the night isn't optimal, but would suggest, in case I'm dead, that circumstances would almost certainly dictate a reveal tomorrow.

Ive given you all the info you need, up front or not. Buts its all out there is some form or another, its just a matter of sifting through the fluff to find it. And theres a lot of fluff :p

The fact that Blade is not willing to reveal during the night makes it clear that he's a mason. If he's a mason, then whatever info he might need to reveal won't die with him.

dola

Now we just have to figure out what he's up to, and whose side he's on.

You caught me cronin...how did you ever figure it out? Despite the trust of every major role the good side has/has had, im not on the side of good. GO MASONS!!! WOOHOO!!!

Yes every major role, all one of them.

You are mistaken, but i suppose i should expect thusly from you

What major roles? Ok, Mr. Wednesday. He wasn't a seer, he was a watchman. He could easily have been misled about your role.

If that's the case, let's just find the folks who haven't visited a prostitute yet and lynch them.

I will only go so far during the night...i will not reveal my own, and you ask me to reveal the role of others? Come on cronin...

And now I'm really out. Amateur ballet, here I come!

I will agree it's entirely possible for a player to find out another's role in this game without having any sort of seer ability.

That would be a bad idea if good roles cant visit prostitutes...im stunned at how everyone seems to wish the good roles all exposed and subsequently picked off.

Well, there's only about four or five who haven't yet, right? As you've said, sometimes you've gotta break a few eggs.

Saldana could bid on urchins, yet you assume bad guys can visit prostitutes?

Dude, I'm responding to your assertion that roled players couldn't visit prostitutes. If you don't think that's the case, don't say it is. But either way, don't turn it into an assertion on my part.

GF's not ready yet, so I've got a couple more minutes.

Then i shall end this conversation, have a good day

I think you're right that bad guys can visit us whores.

You too.

Narcizo, I hope that we are providing an amusing read for you.

Ok with that discussion over, let's go back to the first discussion.

hoopsguy: So you thinking we're on for the whore hoarding? If so, what do you think of my comments about Whitehouse?

In case this hasn't been addressed yet, I always take corrections as long as it is before deadline (and have taken several so far in this game). So anyone who thinks better of their original instructions is free to PM with new ones. I always go with the most recent PMs, and only refer to the older ones if I need more information about what that person wants to do that night.

Hope that clears things up.

The question is what is the result, assuming they can, when they do?

I'm assuming we won't learn information about their faction, but the lack of that information is valuable as well.

For example - Path has visited me and Barkeep and neither of us have learned his faction. What happens when he has a 3rd visit and we still have not learned his faction? Do we start making assumptions about him based on this information?

Regardless of the result, we gain a data point to evaluate. And, unlike the opium den, the information is passed to another person (the prostitute) to interpret rather than allowing a person to present their own story.

Barkeep, I'm not sure I understand the basis for Moriarity being in Whitechapel. Second, I am not sure we are looking to avoid him - ideally we are looking to have a lot of people in the region to stack the risk/reward ratio against him. I think that is equally likely in any district.

I'm fine with wherever we want to gather (assuming we decide to go that route) but don't necessarily understand the concern about Whitechapel.

I love giving lurkers shout-outs especially on a fun day such as this.

We know from the rules descriptions that Whitehouse is Moriarty's base and well I would guess that perhaps he has extra abilities in that district that he might not have in others. That was my thinking. I'd rather stay away from known evil.

Path is the one telling us to focus only on those who have yet to visit prostitutes, even if it costs all the roles we have left...

OK, I'll play along - pick the district. But lets nail this down early enough so people can choose whether or not to follow us there ...

By the same token, might that not make it more likely for somebody to id him?

Sounds like we're gonna have a MAJOR orgie ;)

/ooc

I'm doing a major backup on my files... I'm really surprised my computer hasn't gone kaputz... it's been making funky noises now for weeks.

Dang, don't everyone leave at once... jeez. I feel like I just killed a pretty rockin' party :(

Maybe I'm being selfish here, but I don't want to die, though I do see your point.

I have tons of drivers to download, so I'll be on for a few more minutes and then I probably won't be on 'til tomorrow. If I'm really lucky, I'll be on later tonight. But Daddy, it seems like you and I right now.

I trust Blade. Right now, I think he should be the only one we should trust at this point. He's helped nab Lathum and saldana (for some reason, since they're friends in real life, I would've never have guessed they would both be baddies). Actions speak louder than words.

OK, so are we just going to move to separate districts if we are adopting a "trust Blade" strategy? If we do that, we can provide maximum coverage by coordinating our zones - one person post a district and then the next prostitute follows with a different district. This should accomplish our goal of potentially clearing people while also allowing the roled players to feel like they can freely move between districts as needed, right? It also may provide more incentive for the bad guys to strike (and potentially be observed/blocked/whatever) if we are more distributed, for better or worse.

I'll go ahead and head to Whitechapel as indicated earlier. If someone wants to look me up, that is where you can find me.

Well then I'll stay with my original order to go to Commercial.

DOLA -- Though I do feel this to be the inferior strategy.

Alright, well I have downloaded all my drivers and now Antmeister had the fun job of fixing the mess I made.

Since everyone seems to be going their own direction, I'll leave my PM as is. Hopefully someone else can vouch for me.

Gluck all.

im sorry if some of you dont like how i played the game but i played it how i thought was best...if im to die tonight, i hope you know ive done my best to help my side

and dont take my side to be masons, its just what i used for the side of good

:rolleyes:

You are so full of crap sometimes.

I cant lie about the facts, you said it yourself:

Wanna play the quote game? OK, here's where this whole thing started:


My response:


If you actually had a way to detect sarcasm, that's what you would see here. I found your initial comment to be kind of comical for a smart player as yourself and responded tongue in cheek. You decided to take it seriously and turn your initial comment into an accusation against me now.

You want to try and make me your next target??? Someone who's had confirmation and alibis for nights of kills??? Fine, then you're nowhere as good a player as I thought.

I didnt say you were my next target, but you are not confimed in any way nor do you have alibis. You have gone to hookers, but no one can confirm you went straight home. You also have not been cleared by any of those prostitutes as good despite going far more times then some that have.

If you think your somehow deserving of trust at the current time, your a much worse player then i thoughts as well path...but i dont want to fight right now if i am to die

Deadline in @ 15 minutes?

Yep, and I can't wait for this deadline. The last few hours of today have not been all that interesting. If there is not a conversion capability in the game then I think we are getting close to the win.

I lost my temper at you and for that I apologize. You know that I've often defended you, but damn, sometimes you just push my buttons. Let's drop that.

But I will say that bullet was told by barkeep that I am good, and that bullet has been vouched for by Barkeep, so that's as solid as anyone else's confirmations around here.

Has anything happened to make you think there is a conversion?

I have always liked you, and im sorry for letting it get to me at all either.

I dont remember that, so if you can quote that i would appreciate it. I was going off hoops saying you had yet to be cleared

Path, I would like to see that quote as well as I don't recall it. I think we can account for your information better than most of the villagers in this game but I didn't think we had gotten a "Path is good" clarification yet. I know I didn't and I didn't think BK had either. If BK didn't, then he couldn't have passed that on to Bullet, correct?

On my way out for the evening so I can't do it now, but I'll try and find it tomorrow. I saw it while I was compiling that list I did last night.

Tonight will be very interesting i think, or at least i hope.

Just drew a conclusion from my PMs that I would like to share with the other ladies of the night once results come up.

Heck, it is probably worth mentioning now in the event that I end up dead (slim possibility, but hey).

If you see someone in your PMs, but they are not a prostitute or a john, then that person almost certainly has a special role.

Based on my understanding of the players/roles this has been 100% true so far.

Was definitely not expecting THAT result.

The lack of kills on Night 2 is about the only thing that I can think of arguing for it.

Well, it either means the roles left can only kill on certain nights and tonight was not one of them, there was a conversion, or the killer went to earn trust from someone somewhere

Blade, congrats on your extended lifetime.

To be fair, you would have been a night 2 kill if we hadnt gotten lathum and the lynch, so you can count NTN, his victim then, as a night 2 kill. Not saying its not possible, but lathum def. was out to kill that night

While im glad i didnt die, the fact the bad guys went under the radar last night was not what i wanted...ive stated we have a better chance if they are out killing to be seen, and that didnt happen last night.

Im glad were all here today, but not pleased if you understand the difference.

Blade, I'm actually more interested in why Lathum didn't kill me on Night 1, as Raiders alluded earlier that I was his target that night. When he shows up I would like to hear him expand on that topic.

My assumption of lathums role was first he had to find a prostitute one night then kill the next...thats a best guess though

That was what I thought as well. Although it also crossed my mind that he would have went to hook up with a prostitute just like the rest of us can attempt to and if he finds one at that point he would kill them. Although the fact he didn't kill on night 1 makes me thing you are correct blade.

Cronin, earlier in the game you asked why I was playing the way that I was. Basically, I thought that I could start the bodyguard vs killer role going early by strongly hinting at having the ability to gather information. I also think I gave off enough of a hooker vibe to draw Jack's attention. What I hoped to see was that the other prostitutes stayed way out of site, letting me serve as a lightning rod for prostitute speculation/conversation. Barkeep played along with it, voting for me even though he had seen me and knew I was a prostitute.

That plan went out the window on Day 2 when Blade came out gunning for Barkeep as a killer. I think SnDvls showed his hand pretty clearly that day defending Barkeep. And I revealed that Barkeep (but not SnDvls) was a prostitute.

Anyways, I don't know if it was the right way to play my role or reveal my information, but that is why I was playing in that fashion. I said I would save it for post-game conversation, but we are far enough along at this point that there is no real harm in talking about this.

I'm guessing that Lathum went looking for prostitutes like the rest of the johns do, but when paired with one he killed them. But that would be easier to test if I looked up where everyone was at on that evening ... not sure that it really matters at this point.

What struck me is that RA seemed confident that Lathum was specifically gunning for me on Night 1.

On second thought, I don't think he was gunning for you. He passed through your area wasn't interested in you and left.

Just throwing it out there, but maybe the WW didn't kill because he was in jail...which brings me back to Izulde.

so we have to decide weather to hang LSG or not now

Can anybody clear LSG?

I don't think anyone has ever vouched for LSG.

I'm LOL right now at how stupid I am.

Well, nows the time to clear her, if anybody can.

lynch LoneStarGirl

I'm all for a two for one special today as well:

LYNCH LONESTAR GIRL
LYNCH IZULDE

Coincidence that there was a kill Night 1 by the WW, but not when Izulde was in jail?

So Blade I'm all ears.

Oh and about path:

I do believe I DID tell bullet that path was a commoner, or at least that's what bullet did say somewhere along the line. I'm not sure how I did that considering it was not the info I recieved.

And last night when izulde was not in jail and there were no kills? While i think im for the LSG lynch, becuase she seems uncleared by anyone to me, i dont get your argument for izulde. I cant clear him, but...

i dont see how he can be the WW if he started off a prostitute.

Schmidty was our urchin, and that avenue of information gaining is now closed to us...it said for the time being, so who knows about later in the game, but for now no more bribes

I'm actually interested to hear Izulde's version of events last night, and not because he's on the block.

Well, I can't even get laid when I announce where I'm heading for action.

Blade, can you share your findings?

We're going on supposition that he is indeed a prostitute. I think DD is still the only one who has stated that. It would be nice ot have further confirmation. Especially as Izulde did not take part, despite being in the thread, in our concentrate versus disperse discussion this afternoon.

We're going on supposition that he is indeed a prostitute. I think DD is still the only one who has stated that. It would be nice ot have further confirmation. Especially as Izulde did not take part, despite being in the thread, in our concentrate versus disperse discussion this afternoon.

To clarify, I did go to Whitechapel and saw Izulde selling herself. I also saw Blade there in a conversation. And I saw Izulde get a john, which I totally don't understand because Izulde is fat and I've been told is pretty lazy to boot.

Id prefer to wait until a few other players comment

Ok, without giving up too much, how does this observation square with your earlier conclusion?

And remember, I'm also curious in Izulde's version of events.

I had two johns last night. Dodgergirl and Daddy. Neither provided any useful information. People need to stop seeing other people get arrested. It creates for really useless information.