Agreed. I'm sorry, but in my mind the DUIs had something to do with these characters being killed off. What a waste to build up the Libby/Hurley storyline to then end it so abruptly.

Also, the guy in the Orientation video introduced himself with a different name than in the prior orentation video.

Why are you sorry?

Also, I thought the guy introduced himself as the same, something like Marvin Candle?

His name was Mark Wickman in this one.

His evil twin.

Agreed on the Desmond front. Love the show big time & I assume that all will be taken care of eventually but Jack meets this mystery guy and then just happens to meet him on the Island and not only does he let him run off but he don't seem to have a second thought about him the rest of the season.

Better news for next season ...


New Shows, Fewer 'Lost' Repeats on ABC
By Gary Levin
USA TODAY
(May 16) -- ABC will unveil 11 new series to advertisers today as it seeks to rebuild its comedy lineup and expand its stable of hit dramas Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy and Lost. Biggest change for viewers: Anatomy's move to a new night (possibly Thursday) so it can be used to launch a new series.

Lost fans will find fewer repeats interrupting its intricate mystery: Original episodes will be clustered in longer chunks after an October start. Housewives remains on Sundays at 9, and Dancing with the Stars gets its first fall berth but will also switch nights.

Yet none of the new scripted series introduced last fall will be back, including Commander in Chief, Invasion and Freddie. Hope & Faith is also a goner, leaving According to Jim and George Lopez as the network's only returning comedies.

Spring tryout What About Brian, from Lost producer J.J. Abrams, will return, and the Mission: Impossible III director has a third show in the lineup: Six Degrees, about interconnected lives of New Yorkers.

ABC also needs more programming come September after the loss of Monday Night Football.

•Dramas. In addition to Degrees, ABC has Brothers & Sisters, a family soap starring Ally McBeal's Calista Flockhart and Rachel Griffiths (Six Feet Under); Men in Trees, starring Anne Heche as a shrink who moves to Alaska, where she's surrounded by eligible men; The Traveler, a thriller about two grad students framed as terrorists in a national security emergency; Ugly Betty, about a homely girl hired at a fashion magazine; The Nine, about another group of strangers — freed bank-robbery hostages — from Without a Trace creator Hank Steinberg; and Day Break, an action thriller starring Taye Diggs as a cop on the lam who is framed for murder.

•Comedies.Let's Rob ... stars Donal Logue as leader of a group of blue-collar guys who try to rob Mick Jagger, who will occasionally appear; Big Day, a series built entirely around a young couple's wedding day; Notes from the Underbelly, centering on expectant parents; In Case of Emergency, with four high school pals who unexpectedly reunite as each faces a crossroads; and Help Me Help You, starring Cheers' Ted Danson as a group-therapy shrink.


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Can't say I'll miss any of the shows not returning next year.

The disappearing smoke monster thing annoys me too. They need to be more consistent. Those first days on the island, it seemed like the monster was always lurking just beyond the beach. Now, let's go for a walk in the woods. No danger! Merely the presence of the others should discourage wandering too far from camp...

Aside from the pilot getting eaten in the first episode, these "monster" have shown themselves to not have any teeth. People seemed to get less afraid of them once they realized they were only smoke and noise.

Didn't Locke almost get dragged down a hole? Or was it Jack?

It was Locke, but he was convinced that he wasn't in any danger and that being dragged down would be a good thing. I suppose that should have scared Jack more than it did.

The monster fears Eko now.

That episode was pretty much a non-event. I hope the finale provides some satisfaction.

yeah, michael's motivation was a total mystery. :)
finale looks like fun, though.

I'd have to agree that the episode didn't provide us with anything we hadn't already figured out. The flashbacks even basically told us everything that had been inferred earlier in the episode.

The whole Walt "I love you" thing was a bit sad though. I don't think he had ever said that, since he never really felt like he was his dad. Otherwise, the Locke/Eko switch is a bit interesting...

Anyone have a screen shot of the names written down on the piece of paper? I'm wondering, since they made a point of showing it, that there isn't some type of word spelled out with a certain patern of the names.

Someone please slap that whiny bitch Michael. My tivo cut off the end. Who or what was up with the boat scene?

I could've sworn that during the burials of AL and Libby that when Hurley turned to Micheal, he knew and was gonna end him.

Absolutely fantastic episode.

Sayid is a bad motherfucker.

Its the same piece of paper Mrs. Clue gave michael when he was at the others campsite.

A boat was seen floating near shore when they were holding the funeral for Libby and Ana Lucia. My guess is that is Desmonds boat. Or didn't michael say something about getting a boat to Mrs. Clue?

I wonder what the comment "They are not who they say they are!" by Walt meant. In Claires flashback, all of the others were clean cut, and they even found disguises in that abandoned hatch. Why are they pretending to be dirty homeless people, if they are so clean cut in another flashback?

yeah, I assume that's Desmond too.
the boat Michael wants is the boat they catptured Walt with.

Up until that point, I really had a strong dislike for Michael. There was nothing redeemable about him...even after that, I didn't have much respect for his character.

The whole story was somewhat unbelievable to me last night. Michael making demands like he was in charge when he was captured was way out there. Nobody but Sayid questions why Michael wants Hurley (the big fat guy) to go but not the member of the Imperial Guard or the hunter of the group (Locke) or the guy with the Jesus stick (Ecko)? I'd rather take the hobbit over Hurley. At least the hobbit killed one of the others.

If I had to take five, it would probably be:

Michael (has to go)
Ecko (he stared down the smoke)
Sawyer (badass Han Solo character)
Charlie (has already killed an other)
Sayid (Iraqi Army guy)

Jack, Locke, Jin, and Kate fall into the backup category since all of them have certain handicaps. Jack is a pussy. Locke can be somewhat flaky. Jin doesn't speak English well. Kate was already captured by them. The guys I picked above are far more ruthless. I know the inclusion of Charlie would raise some eyebrows, but the fact that he was willing to beat up Sun and the fact that he killed Ethan in cold blood shows me that he's ruthless enough to get the job done.

Oh, and my favorite part from last night was:

Sawyer: I screwed her.
Jack: Why are you telling me this?
Sawyer: Because you're about the closest thing I have to a friend on this island.

I think it's Desmond's boat. It looked like the type you'd sail around the world solo (or whatever desmond was doing when he crashed) in. I think we may even find Desmond aboard.


I think they are keeping up the island pretenses for purposes of deception. They probably have modern facilities ... maybe even easy access into/out of the island (assuming they're on an island at all ...

i've forgotten who desmond was. can someone refresh my memory?

He was the dude in the hatch before Locke et al came in. He also talked to Jack back in the states when Jack was running the stadium steps.

the guy who had been pushing the button

you forgot the "we got caught in a net" line. I was lol at that

LOL. That was a good line!

In short, is this show even worth watching live? Should i just wait and get the DVD's, I get the chance to see/or remember to watch about every 3rd-4th new episode. I'm the one who is Lost this year.

I guarantee you the show is more enjoyable to be able to watch on DVD. You don't mind the weak episodes as much when you don't have to wait 4 weeks between them.

Hmm...that's kind of what I figured.

A small pet peeve of mine is Jin and his Korean speaking. He is aware that his wife speaks perfect English and is back is good graces with her, so why doesn't she translate for him whenever he tries to talk to people in Korean?

That said, I thought it was a pretty good epiosde last night. The flashbacks were actually to events that took place on the island and a couple of the plots really moved along. I can't wait for the finale next week as there are always at least one or two bombshells to get us to tune in next season. Then we can sit and speculate all summer about what is going to happen.

How did they know about Claire's baby? When Michael was captive and the woman asked? Is Claire one of them/'others'?

The girl (who asked about Claire's baby) was the one who helped Claire escape when they were peforming medical experiments (or whatever) on Claire and/or her kid while Claire was preggo.

I thought it was a good episode; it filled in what we all thought happened. No real surprises with the Michael story line, but at least now we know.

I figure Walt’s shouting of “They aren’t who they appear to be”, or whatever his line was, was more to the point that he had been inside their Hatch, saw they had technology, an the whole rough clothes, living in huts thing was just a scam.

And yeah, Michael’s insistence that Hurly go instead of Sayid should have thrown of big warning bells in everyone’s head!

Also, the previews for the finale had Desmond running through the jungle in it, so I think it pretty much has to be his boat.


So, does anyone have any theories on the Hatch the others have (it had a rectangle symbol), a guess at its name or purpose? Where it is on the Blast Door map?

As to watching it live vs. DVD. I much prefer live, but only if you catch each episode. I have a friend who accidentally missed 2 episodes in a row a while back, and decided to give up until the DVD’s. I figure I can’t talk to him all summer long ;). There are some weak ones (often focusing on Charlie, I find) and too many repeats, but I like the building suspense with each new episode, and going out to the web and finding stuff I missed (ex: logo on the shark!) the next day or so.

that's Rousseau's daughter - she helped Claire escape from the Others.

What is the deal with the magnet in the hatch. There was no mention of it for a number of weeks, but it came back in this episode. Oddly, it was shown right before the alarm went off to push the button. Is the button somehow related to the magnet? Is it possible that the magnetic field is somehow related to why the planes crashed?

Yep "Alex", who is believed to be the French Woman's (Rousseau) child who was taken 16 years ago.

That magnet makes me believe something is going to crash from the air in the final. That in my opinion will be the cliffhanger going into season 3.

Speculation a while back (when Jack and others were exploring the mechanics in the tunnel) is that if the button is not pushed in time, a giagantic magnet turns on. Speculation was that someone forgot to push the button a while back which magnetically grabbed hold of the plane causing it to crash on the island.

I had thought of that possibility, but it seems an odd coincidence that the one time someone forgot to push the button, the plane was in the right spot to be sucked down. And would that have happened twice to bring down the drug smuggling plane? Is it possible that there is always something trying to bring planes down and the button pushing keeps that going? That same magnet may have also brought in the Rousseau's science vessel, Desmond's sailboat, and the hot air balloon.

I'm not sure it would bring down a hot air balloon. But regardless, I think the counter argument people used at the time were that the 'others' seemed to know the airline passengers and had specific uses for some of them (re: Walt). So their being brought to the island seemed something other than a random occurance.

A new plane crashes because the magnet activates when the people can't push the button. They can't push the button because Locke destroys the computer

I sincerely hope that you did not just ruin the finale for us.

Hells yeah. As soon as Michael went up to Sayid to ask him not to go, I turned to my wife and said, "Big mistake, Sayid will figure this shit out in a second." And as soon as Michael turned around and Sayid had that look on his face, you just knew he had Michael pegged. He's my favorite character on the show, although Sawyer - whom I was intensely annoyed with through much of the first season - has quickly turned into the best, most complex character on the show. Last night sealed the deal - "Now we get to go kill someone".

Total guess on my part, but it sounds pretty good. I would only add that the new plane that crashes contains the harlem globetrotters.

What's with the rock with the rectangular hole on the cliff above the fake castaways' village?

Is it the Black Rock?

So Walt did 'really' appear to Shannon the night she and Sayid did it. And Ms. Clue is head of the Dharma project trying to figure out how Walt does that trick. Hence the DNA sample from Michael.

It could be 'Astral Projection' idea taken from Gene Wolfe's 'Sun' trilogy of series (Urth of the New Sun, Book of the Long Sun, Book of the Short Sun)

Black Rock is the name of the ship they got the dynamite from. It even said "Black Rock" right on it.

AWESOME post!

the black rock was a ship.

Its too bad Bob Denver is dead. I think it would be really cool if at the end of season 3, you finally got to see the HE that is leader of the others, and it was Gilligan.

The Professor, Ginger, and Mary Ann are still alive.

Edit--Maybe the whole Walt thing would be an attempt to bring Gilligan back from the dead.

The new cast of Survivor will be on that plane crash.

its just shane on that sailboat trying to find his way back to boston.

I believe last season that the "Black Rock" which Rousseau mentioned frequently turned out to be the ship wreckage where Jack, Locke and the others found the dynamite to blow open the hatch.

What's Black Rock?

Whew, thank you! I was afraid that you posted a major spoiler!

While I didn't think the episode was AMAZING, it was clearly the best in a while, and yeah, that Sawyer line was great.

Sayid is a great character.

I tried to get my girl to name our dog sawyer because I wanted him to be a fucking badass (and the dog has the whole blond hair/black facial hair thing going). We settled on baxter though (after the dog in anchorman).

Are they going to explain Walt Aging?

He sure look older.

Ok, I thought it was just me...

Yeah, at some point I even wondered if it was his real voice because he seems like way too old to still be speaking like a kid.

Must suck to have a kids that age in a series where every year of filming pass 40 days in the serie...

I think they manipulated the voice in processing to make it higher. To me, it almost sounded too high.

Kill him off. Problem solved.

I think Walt is a great character though.

Great for me to poop on!

Get it right.

First you poop on the blanket and then you put it on the tv.

I must be the only one that thought they did a good job with Walt. I couldn't really tell a difference.

I thought the episode was a bit weak because it seemed forced that doc would just go ahead and let Michael call the shots. It also seemed a little fake that the only one who noticed Michael had an agenda was Sayid.

Also, shouldn't Locke have already told Sayid about the ?-hatch? Sayid should be down there repairing things and finding out what else they can watch with those cameras.

yet again, these 40 whatever people are the DUMBEST people on the planet. they deserve to be marooned there forever.

Leave the poor kid alone, he's just hitting puberty that's all. :D

Hopefully it was that or they made his voice higher digitally. The only other option is to kick him in the balls before he says his lines.

Bump... whoops.

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That's only one of the many 'black rocks' that has turned up. The most recent are the black rocks Bernard used on the beach to try to spell SOS. Clearly, there are more out there, including THE black rock, whatever it turns out to be.

I am surprised that sov didn't change the title of this thread in honor of the best quote of the season (from the last episode): "I screwed her."

sov isn't exactly the freshest coconut on the tree, if you know what I mean

wtf

meh... this show pretty much sucks donkey balls these days.

i enjoyed this episode.

So minus the bogus cliffhanger I thought the episode was good.

That cliffhanger was ridiculous though. FU Lost writers.

It was solid,but they need to stop teasing me into thinking Eko is dead

The last 15 minutes were awful. What in the world was the behavior by Charlie? We go from daytime insanity and Charlie stumbling onto the beach to nightime. So, Charlie doesn't/can't explain where Eko and Locke are and no one checks out the hatch? Huh?

The show feels like it's written by the same people behind "The Scary Door" on Futurama.

There are about 10000 things that I hated about the last 15 minutes. The writers had a chance to give us some answers.

But instead we learned that the Others think they are the 'good people'. And we learned nothing about what happened to the hatch. We learned nothing about where the Others actually stay. Nothing about what happened to Walt. Nothing about why they wanted Jack, Kate, and Sawyer.

These are plots they started in season two and should have been answered in season two.

I don't understand why people get mad that plotlines go for more than one season... it's not a sitcom. Anyways I didn't like the last 15 minutes very much either, but not because it left unanswered questions.

Agreed. If what you want is just a bunch of answers and a completely linear plot might I recommend the following shows:

CSI
CSI: Miami
CSI: New York
Law & Order
Law & Order: SVU
Law & Order: Criminal Intent
House

Some of those shows are great, some are decent, and some are not so great, but you're almost guaranteed (with a few exceptions sprinkled in here and there) to get all of the answers to all of your questions with about 8-10 minutes left in the show.

I didn't mind the last 15 minutes. I didn't necessarily enjoy the "artic pole" scene all that much, but the rest was fine. It's looking more and more like Charlie could be infected, who knows...

Because the writing has become bad. Insulting to my intelligence bad. They throw in 500 twists, pay off 1 of them, and have every character act as far from realistic is possible.

Meh, for you that might be the case, but for others it's because this isn't written like shows that are episodic in nature. And while I agree that the writing has gone a bit downhill this season, it was very good (IMO) last year during that finale... and people had a huge problem with that because it left unanswered questions.

This show is about mystery and suspence... they've answered some questions and left others unanswered, thats the whole point of the show. If people have a problem with that, then you're watching the wrong type of show (see HB's post for shows you might enjoy more).

Yes, and they've done so at the expense of any semblence of reality.

Jack and Sayid were once screwing around in the "basement," they didn't find the shut-down switch down there?

They found their orientation film on the shelf and Ecko had the missing parts in a hollowed-out book. Despite that, Desmond's rubber band-bound book still sat on the shelf untouched?

Sawyer, Kate, Jack, and Hurley all find out that Michael is leading them into a trap AND he just killed romantic interests for two of them... so naturally, no one flinches. The guy would have had the living shit kicked out of him, on natural reaction alone.


I'm fine with them not paying off a lot of the mystical stuff with the island, but the moment you have people not even acting remotely human, it becomes tough to tolerate.

I'll probably pass on season 3 until it's completely done airing unless they tighten up the airing schedule significantly.

I thought it was a great episode. It closed some doors and opened a few new ones. We now know what caused the plane crash.

We know what happens when the button is not pushed (pretty clearly explained by Kelvin and then demonstrated at the end). We found out where the pneumatic (sp?) tube sends the results of the observations and can now suspect that it might have been the placebo (unless you believe they are, or were once, picked up periodically). We found out what happened to Desmond and how and why he is there. We got to see Michael and Walt reunited. I am pretty pleased with the "results" of this one.

And now we have some new storylines opening up. Michael's directions to leave let us know that there is, presumably, a way out. Pen and her resources give us someone on the outside looking for the island now (and I suspect her father is involved or the CEO of Dharma?). We will be wondering all Summer what will happen to Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Echo, Desmond, Michael, and Walt (I'm guessing that some of them will not be back). There is the possibility that more people could be added to the island from this system failure.

I can understand people not caring for the last 15 minutes, but I liked the Penelope twist.

There's a mysterious smoke monster that shows images of people's past... that stuff always happens in real life!! :)


The shutdown switch was covered up by a latch... easy to miss.


Desmond told them what book the film was in, they looked for that book... no reason to go searching through every single one.


I was only suprised with Sawyer's non-reaction, Hurley's was understandable
since he seems nonviolent.


Even if I agree with everything above, what does any of this have to do with people not liking this show because it isn't episodic?


It will be shown in three "bursts" of shows next season, to end the confusion from week to week.

The second season was nowhere near as good as the first season, but I liked the finale tonight. I'm absolutely certain I'd really enjoy the show more just waiting and watching the DVDs (as far as season 3 and beyond), but I don't know if I could stand the wait.

Agreed. The constant commercials kill the show... I'd wait and buy the DVD's... but it's really hard to miss news and entertainment programs ruining plot lines.

The idea that we should expect no answers or we should expect CSI or Law & Order is ridiculous. I don't want EITHER of those. I don't want everything answered in every episode. But each season should have some kind of overriding arc and "some" of the questions should be answered in the finale.

This season was just a mess. Every single episode seemed to be some kind of pointless exercise until they could get us to the twist in the final 5 minutes. We didn't learn much more about the characters from season 1, they killed two characters that had just started to become very interesting, and they ignored other characters.

If the writing was good, they would be able to provide lots of answers, while coming up with plenty more questions at the same time. The sad thing is it seems like the writers have run out of ideas, so they can't afford to answer anything. I mean, last week we got a whole damn episode that spent an entire hour telling us what every viewer with half a brain already knew.

I think you're missing my point. I love an enjoy sci-fi, but people still have to act basically human to make it worth watching. LOST is losing that fast.


It was in a pretty sizable dharma-shaped object. Unlikely they would miss while looking around for exactly this sort of weird stuff.


They've been in there pushing the button for at least a month. You don't think you'd be taking an extensive look around the hatch while killing every 108 minutes? I know i would have listened to every record, checked out every peculiarity about the place, etc. And I would certainly open a bound-up book to see what the hell was inside, especially after two important pieces of info have been discovered in or hidden behind books.


How about Kate or Jack? Kate got sideswiped by all of it, and I really don't think Jack knew Michael had murdered two of them until that point. It's ridiculous that they would do nothing and keep following that clown.

Don't know and don't care. I never introduced that point. You may be debating yourself on that one.


Perhaps I'll watch then. I still may just decide to wait for DVD because I hate commercials.

well I'm still enjoying the show very much. You have to suspend disbelief at times, but really it's been like that from day one.

so, I'm starting to suspect that the Others ARE good guys; rebels in the Star Wars vein trying to bring down some sort of evil world takeover plot from Dharma.

The shut down button was under a hatch covered by a set of computer equipment inside the room with the computer. I don't believe that's the same area (or had access to the same area) as where Jack and Sayid went.

I agree. While I was one of the detractors from Season 1's finale, I liked this one a lot. They gave us some answers finally. The only thing Swaggs missed was that we found out that "Henry Gale" was the leader of the Others or Hostiles.

I agree with DD that the Others may be the good guys.