Actually, let's see.

Last election I voted for Duval Patrick, true. Before that, I voted for the following people (all of whom were elected as Governor)

94: Weld
98: Cellucci
02: Romney (although I much regretted it later, when Romney went hard right to get ready for his Presidential run).

Scott Brown is my State Senator, and I've voted for him ever since he did an interview for the radio station I worked at the time

Want to know something interesting, Sak? All of them have big ol fashioned R's next to their name on the ballot.

So your insinuation that I am some kind of Democrat sheep is ridiculous. As I have stated before. I'm a registered indepedent. I may lean Democrat in general, but I'm no sheep.

As I said, and you've completely ignored.. I'll mock stupidity on all sides. Is it really my fault that most of the stupidity, the hypocricy, and the idiocy has been coming from the right hand side of the political ledger the last few years?

If I was truly the democrat-sheep you try to paint me at, I would have pointed out that Mahoney was a Republican, and turned Democrat to run for Foley's seat, and said something pithy like "Guess you can't reform a Republican".

I hate the Kos Kiddies as much as I hate the Freepers.

You voted for Scott Baio?

*hits you with a nine iron*

So you support Bush's policy of torture?

"Scott Baio is 48, Married, a Dad, and Running for Office"

No, if I supported Bush's policies on torture, I wouldn't hit you with the nine iron, I'd just stick it in an uncomfortable place before having you waterboarded. ;)

Hm, I wonder who it was... :confused:

Interesting article:

Social conservatives fight for control of Republican Party - Los Angeles Times

I try not to be condescending, but there's always that risk in a political thread. I think your point is correct and there is also a risk of losing customers the more people find out about you politically (as Jon said as well). I would also state that I think there is some advantage to being active in a community like FOFC outside of just comments on your game. In the end, I think it's a net gain to be involved, but there is a chance for some people to not want to support you.

After the election, I will probably dial back the political thread involvement as I just won't be as interested. So, that's probably a good thing in some respects. Still, I was a poster on FOFC before I started making games and enjoy the discussions here.

I saw somewhere, a speculation that there's likely going to be a fight between the Social Conservatives who will flock to Palin, and the financial conservatives who want Romney to be the 2012 candidate. Not to mention the neo-cons..

I see they have a big conference/post-mortem scheduled for 2 days after the election. Hopefully for the Republican Party, they get all their horses pulling in the same direction

I just don't see social conservatism winning elections and congressional seats outside the bible belt.

Batman

Make a note: Any flocking in her direction will be temporary. More effective candidates will emerge (and/or reappear) to take the bulk of that wing.

I certainly hope so, Jon.. buit where you have people declaring the litmus test of "Who's really a republican?" coming out of the 08 election is how you reacted to Palin throughout the election, it makes me worried, that they're going to spend the next four years, making Palin out to be Reagan reborn.. put the cult of personality around Obama to shame.

Pish tosh. She was the only available port in a very bad storm. She'd have to be lucky to finish third in a three horse race with Huck & Mitt. After next week, with the exception of the occasional scandal notable only because was briefly relevant, she'll be less notable than the remainder of Ferraro's career. Basically she'll be to politics what Danny Bonaduce is to celebrity.

I still fear Huckabee more than anyone else on the Republican side. From what I've seen he's far and away the best politician. A McCain/Huckabee ticket would have been a much tougher match IMO.

Huckabee, Romney, Leiberman, Giuliani, Pawlenty and Jindal would all likely have been better, electorally, for McCain. Perhaps the only major name who would have been worse is Fred Thompson.

I think it depends on what the landscape is when election season starts. If Obama has turned things around and has high approval ratings, Mitt, Jindal, and co. will be sitting it out. In that scenario, I could see Palin getting in as a sacrifice candidate.

If Obama is tanking, then it will be a free for all and Palin won't stand a chance.

Yup.

(Although we see how well waiting an election did for Hillary. Letting Kerry be the sacrificial lamb in 2004 worked out fine. The second part of the plan, however. . . .)

Agree completely. As much as I like Palin, I think she's a better fit for RNC chair than Pres/VP. She motivates the base and can raise money, but I'm not sure I want her running the country. I would be very interested in Romney, Jindal, maybe Huckabee and maybe even Rudy. Outside of Romney (who's Mormon faith will always hurt him in elections), I could see any of the rest beating Obama in 2012 if there's an opening.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if this is how the 30 minute Obama ad starts:



HI AMERICA, BILLY MAYS HERE WITH A MESSAGE ABOUT BARACK OBAMA!

This is really interesting to me - because I'm looking at Red State and Free Republic (two of which I consider the bigger hard-core "conservative" sites, the latter more nut jobby than the former), and I seem to see a lot of Palin is great, Palin in 2012 bit - and a fair amounts of attacks on Romney. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I'd be curious for your thoughts on this phenomenon - is it just because she's the only "red meat" for them in this race (as expected, McCain has liimted support there - solid support at RedState, "Not Obama" support at best at Free Republic).

Did you just call Sak a troll???

Did you just quote the word "side" as if it were beneath you???


Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

prolly smart. you wouldn't exactly know what they were BBQ-ing!

*rimshot*

Well.. let's take them in order.

A) Well, what would you call someone who interrupts a discussion by popping in and says "you guys enjoying your little Demmy Circle Jerk?" Sounds pretty Trollish to me!

B ) Well, more like I was looking for a word to assign there, and side was the best one I came up with on short notice. Realized it didn't totally fit, so put quotes around it.

C)(Retracted with huge apologies to Schmidty. It seems like I am an inadvertent asshole. No Personal Attack was meant)

$600m in campaign funds and Obama doesn't have his special on in HD? Fuck this guy, I'm voting for Nader.

Fozz, you have to admit that most of the Dems here are just closing their ears and saying la-la-la-la hoping that their candidate makes it through to Tuesday without having anything sticking. It really doesn't matter if the associations, hypotheticals, what-ifs, one-partyness cause some discomfort or questions, it is about a change in political culture and getting the opposition party out. We saw the exact same thing in 1980 and in 1992.

I agree. He's been remarkably adept at avoiding anything sticking against him, almost a rubber/glue... and yes, 1980/1992 sounds about right, a political realignment.

Further thoughts: (don't mind thedola).. It seems to me that the Right got "Fat, Dumb and Happy", figuring that they had changed where the center rested. Starting with Dean, and now with Obama, the Democrats have played to the theoretical center (50 state strategy, for example).. and are reaping the rewards. That's what worries me about the upcoming circular firing squad that will happen if McCain loses big.. the Democrats came out of their funk and made the right call by moving to the center (Blue Dog Democrats, etcetera), the vibe I'm getting out of reading all these stories is that the Republican party is thinking they're losing because they haven't gone HARD AND FAST ENOUGH to the right. And if that happens. I see things getting worse for them in the short and long term.

That's not good for the nation politically. We need the two parties to act as checks on each other. You take some red, you take some blue, and the scales are balanced. Tip it too hard to one side, and the whole thing falls down like a Jenga puzzle hit with a sldgehamemr.

So I was out and missed the Barack Halloween special, anyone watch it and can give any kind of synopsis?

I think I saw the commercial of the pol season:

You'll recall I think the worst commercial was the doctors picking on McCain over his skin cancer. It was absolute drivel and an awful commercial.

Obama ran a commercial with McCain and some of his quotes about not knowing enough about the economy and that 'he'll need to rely on his VP on issues regarding that.'

The commercial syntax: "Who was his choice?"

And it cuts to Palin's debate where she winked at the camera and then it ends with the syntax:

"Now it's time to make your choice."


A very effective commercial.

This post deserves more love

SI

mccain on larry king live now - whining about how obama didn't take public financing - sounds like a whiny bitch

oh nice - and now larry is hitting him "why hasn't this been a clean campaign like you said you wanted?"

mccain: "well obama didn't respond to my requests for town hall meetings"

Sounds like the kind of response from someone who watches The Hills.

Here's the video


haha, he never gets tired of trotting that excuse out there.

lol - we have a "maverick" sighting from McCain.

"sarah's a maverick. i'm a maverick."

Larry: "You're flying over the Pacific - between nowhere and nowhere. There's an attack on the U.S. How much confidence do you have in your V.P.?"

McCain: "Total."

yikes

100,000 Views. Grats all.

McCain: "...Joe the Plumber"

LOL

"...Joe the Plumber" (again)

McCain: "40% of Americans pay no taxes...so he's just going to take money from other people and give it to them!"

1) that can't be an accurate #
2) If they're not paying taxes they're not getting a tax cut you doddering old fool

DT: on #2 I think he's referring to post loopholes, post exemptions, etcetera

I thought that 40% was the amount of people that didn't pay federal income tax but there were still payroll taxes, state taxes, etc.

hmm? what do you mean?

that may be closer to accurate - but i still think that seems like an awfully high %.

I don't this inexperienced thing with Sarah and if McCain happens to unable to lead. How is Obama better when it comes to experience? Is it because Obama is "well-known"? How does that make him better to lead? I'm not taking sides, just asking a general question.

I have read that there are more registered voters than people who pay income tax in the US, so that sounds about right to me.

Man, what is it with Florida and elections?


How do you not know who you voted for? Hopefully that was just those people's way of saying "mind your own business."

The Tax Foundation - Number of Americans Paying Zero Federal Income Tax Grows to 43.4 Million

If your cutting tax rates for those who get it all back and more, they could get even more back (depending on the credits/deductions).

I believe the correct answer is "Pat Buchanan"

SI

that's absurd. there shouldn't be anyone not paying federal income tax (who makes above minimum wage)