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Bee 02-17-2018 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3195596)
So I guess the investigation is over and no more indictments are coming...Well at least he finally had to admit it wasn't a hoax.


I don't think it's even close to being over. We are more like at the half way point.

Thomkal 02-17-2018 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bee (Post 3195622)
I don't think it's even close to being over. We are more like at the half way point.


Me either-very much wishful thinking on his part. I mean Mueller hasn't even talked to him yet, and you have to think he would do that before the end of the grand jury. (or try-who knows if he will talk to him in the end). The one person, Gates, just made a plea deal this week, and the Manafort trial.

Thomkal 02-17-2018 02:01 PM

Mueller ups the ante on Manafort:

Special counsel court filing reveals new bank fraud allegations against Manafort

Thomkal 02-17-2018 10:41 PM

Trump says FBI missed Florida shooter 'signals' spending 'too much time trying to prove Russian collusion' | TheHill

BYU 14 02-18-2018 08:43 AM


Which should come as a complete surprise to absolutely.......Nobody. I find it impossible to see how anybody outside of the smiling jackals at Fox allow him even the smallest amount of credibility anymore.

BBT 02-18-2018 11:02 AM

I wonder, if he’s ever brought up on an obstruction of justice charge, whether or not they include every tweet or statement made in regards to collusion.

There’s a reason why lawyers tend to tell their clients to stay quiet.

JPhillips 02-18-2018 11:13 AM

The weekend after Mueller indicts 13 Russians for interfering with the election, you would expect the President to offer some criticism towards Russia.

Oh, well.

Thomkal 02-18-2018 01:19 PM

Trump blames everyone for Russian influence in our elections but himself or Russia. Even tweeted a response to his national security adviser McMaster after he told an international crowd that there could be no disputing now that the Russians interfered in our election:

Trump attacks everyone but Russia - POLITICO

bbgunn 02-18-2018 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3195689)
The weekend after Mueller indicts 13 Russians for interfering with the election, you would expect the President to offer some criticism towards Russia.

Oh, well.


That’s the thing that really gets me. If he really didn’t collude with the Russians (or even if he did), what’s the harm in coming out and saying something like “We will not tolerate foreign nations interfering in our elections” or anything remotely similar to criticism? Everybody pretty much says the election was not changed because of hacking or other interference, so if your election win is legitimate and you didn’t collude, why don’t you criticize Russia and get more Americans on your side? Sounds pretty easy to me. He makes more people suspicious of him when he goes out of his way not to criticize Russia.

Groundhog 02-18-2018 10:30 PM

So we don't have to see leaked videos of President Trump peeing on Russian prostitutes?

RainMaker 02-18-2018 10:54 PM

I say let him golf because that man watches way too much TV. Looks like he watched about 16 hours of TV today and tweeted through it.

PilotMan 02-18-2018 10:59 PM

Was trump completely off his meds this weekend? I don't follow him on twitter, only see the aftermath elsewhere.

mckerney 02-18-2018 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bbgunn (Post 3195744)
That’s the thing that really gets me. If he really didn’t collude with the Russians (or even if he did), what’s the harm in coming out and saying something like “We will not tolerate foreign nations interfering in our elections” or anything remotely similar to criticism? Everybody pretty much says the election was not changed because of hacking or other interference, so if your election win is legitimate and you didn’t collude, why don’t you criticize Russia and get more Americans on your side? Sounds pretty easy to me. He makes more people suspicious of him when he goes out of his way not to criticize Russia.


The harm is to his ego if people think anyone outside of himself are responsible for him winning the election.

jeff061 02-19-2018 08:02 AM

Yeah, it's real frustrating. Did Russia get him elected? I'm sure they helped, they are one of countless factors. However even if they were proven to be the driving factor(which I doubt) I'm still not interested in calling the election invalid and tossing him. I just want him to act to make it more difficult for this to happen in the future. I'm guessing this aligns with what the majority believes, but he just can't get over his own ego and understand this.

Instead not only does he not do his job to prevent this from happening again, he goes over the top and blows Russia for a year and attacks anyone that says anything bad about them. Which just compounds the whole perception of him and Russia colluding.

His a moron.

JPhillips 02-19-2018 09:11 AM

This from the follow-up to Oprah's panel says so much about the country.

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Laura: I feel safer now than I ever did the last eight years of Obama. Oh my God.

Oprah Winfrey: How do you feel safer? Tell me how you feel safer?

Laura: Well, I feel like I can say Merry Christmas to anyone I want wherever I want.

PilotMan 02-19-2018 09:22 AM

If Christians really want to see a persecuted religion in the US they should look no further than the Mormons. I mean, if they're all about freedom of religion, why not let the Mormons practice all aspects of their religion openly without fear of interference from the government, just like trump wants?

Edward64 02-19-2018 09:40 AM

Not sure where to post this so figure this is the default thread.

My ears are still hurting.

Watch: The internet can’t stop talking about Fergie’s National Anthem performance last night – BGR

Suicane75 02-19-2018 12:08 PM

Thank you for postostotoastinnnnng thiiiis.

bhlloy 02-19-2018 12:43 PM

I couldn't make it through 20 seconds of that. And I'm not even a US citizen.

Maple Leafs 02-19-2018 04:10 PM

If LeBron had knelt during that it would have finally brought the whole country together.

AlexB 02-19-2018 04:45 PM

Other than the weird shriek before the ‘And say does the Star Spangled...’ and the OTT bit before the ‘brave’, it wasn’t terrible?

Nowhere near as bad as Aretha Franklin

Groundhog 02-19-2018 04:59 PM

I thought every second of it was at best bad, and at worse cringe-worthy to the point where I wondered if she was doing it on purpose.

PilotMan 02-19-2018 09:00 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/19/polit...vey/index.html

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Overall, Trump came in dead last. The seven greatest presidents, according to respondents, remained unchanged from the same survey's results in 2014, the previous time it was taken. In order, they were Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson, Harry S. Truman and Dwight Eisenhower.

Trump did not fare well even when parsing the results by party and ideology. He ranked 40th out of 44 among Republicans and conservatives.

JPhillips 02-19-2018 09:26 PM






Edward64 02-19-2018 10:42 PM

Somewhat disappointed in Romney.

Couldn't he have won without Trump's support anyway?

Thomkal 02-19-2018 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3195811)
Somewhat disappointed in Romney.

Couldn't he have won without Trump's support anyway?


I would have thought so-Trump is not held in that high regard in such a Republican state as Utah. It will be interesting to see if this move actually causes him to lose support now.

Groundhog 02-19-2018 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3195810)






A sycophant politician, who'da thunk it!

NobodyHere 02-19-2018 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3195811)
Somewhat disappointed in Romney.

Couldn't he have won without Trump's support anyway?


For Realz?

He's nothing but a republican stool sample

Ben E Lou 02-20-2018 09:22 AM

It's another "someone should take Trump's phone away" kinda day today.

JPhillips 02-20-2018 10:03 AM

Maybe this has Trump worried:

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The son-in-law of a Russian oligarch is slated to plead guilty to lying to investigators working for special counsel Robert Mueller's office, according to court filings unsealed on Tuesday.

Alex Van Der Zwaan, a London-based attorney and the son-in-law of Russian oligarch German Khan, is set to appear in a D.C. court around 2:30 p.m. to enter a guilty plea to making false statements to Mueller's team about his work involving the Ukrainian government.

Thomkal 02-20-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3195855)
It's another "someone should take Trump's phone away" kinda day today.


And the award for biggest lie of 2018 (so far) goes to:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump




I have been much tougher on Russia than Obama, just look at the facts. Total Fake News!

PilotMan 02-20-2018 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3195863)
Maybe this has Trump worried:


Or that Kelly mandated that anyone with a provisional top secret clearance from longer than 3 months will now be excluded starting next week. Given the number of people in that position (cough-shner) that won't be able to help herr trumpenstien he's probably feeling a bit tied up. Hell, he's probably hiding in the bathroom and won't come out.

larrymcg421 02-20-2018 03:04 PM

Gotta say this for the GOP: They really do work hard for those NRA donations. In a very difficult time, Rubio has absolutely come through in the clutch for them.

NobodyHere 02-20-2018 03:24 PM

President Trump directs Justice Department to ban gun modifications like bump stocks used in Las Vegas massacre

Can the justice department just ban anything? Is there some previous law allowing them to do this?

bronconick 02-20-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3195909)
President Trump directs Justice Department to ban gun modifications like bump stocks used in Las Vegas massacre

Can the justice department just ban anything? Is there some previous law allowing them to do this?



I honestly doubt it. If it was that easy, Obama would have banned a bunch of crap after Sandy Hook and Congress punted on any responsibility.

digamma 02-20-2018 04:55 PM

I *think* the way they'll go about any rulemaking is to say that the rules and regs are being put in place to enforce existing laws banning fully automatic weapons. You already can't internally modify semi-automatic weapons to behave as a fully automatic weapon, so this would do the same for external non-permanent mods. As for why the Obama DOJ didn't do this, the truth is rulemakers are way behind the market--that's not unique to guns (see, post crisis financial regs, for example).

Shkspr 02-20-2018 05:33 PM

See, now, I think the way they'll go about it is that they'll introduce some sort of half-baked and clearly faulty rule that will be struck down immediately in court, and then they'll say, "Well, we tried, but the liberal activist courts put into place by Obama stopped us." Then they'll cash the NRA's check.

JPhillips 02-20-2018 05:43 PM

I expect it's even more symbol. Like Trump's executive orders, this is just a press release with no follow up.

JPhillips 02-20-2018 10:03 PM

dola

The President's eldest son is about to give a foreign policy speech in India and nobody has seen a summary or knows what he's going to say.

Oh, well.

AENeuman 02-20-2018 10:28 PM

12 tweets today that all seem just reflections and reactions to tv news- amazing.

whomario 02-21-2018 12:55 AM

And Pence managed to sabotage a planned meeting with NK delegation (If Trumps son gets to hold speeches, there is no reason not to call Kim's sister that) by attacking NK, likely got the exact result he wanted out of this. Meanwhile, NK is well on track to garner public sympathy while the US is setting themselves back 10 years in competition with China within Asia.

whomario 02-21-2018 01:00 AM

Trump vs. The World: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - YouTube

John Oliver on the lack of foreign policy

miami_fan 02-21-2018 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3195928)
I expect it's even more symbol. Like Trump's executive orders, this is just a press release with no follow up.


You mean like...

https://floridapolitics.com/archives...hy-health-risk

panerd 02-21-2018 06:50 AM

I've seen this circulating the internet. To answer your responses ahead of time actually would rather not have foreign governments meddling in our elections and don't think two wrongs make a right but the media clearly has a hard on for Trump. "Hooray USA" [Clinton Administration] "The End of the Free World" [Trump Administration]


cartman 02-21-2018 08:09 AM

So hired advisers working with a client are the same thing as a nation-state working behind the scenes. Got it.

kingfc22 02-21-2018 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3196014)
So hired advisers working with a client are the same thing as a nation-state working behind the scenes. Got it.


:banghead:

jeff061 02-21-2018 08:23 AM

Reguardless, it's naive to think America hasn't messed with elections of other countries. We are probably the biggest offender of that. It's irrelevant.

The Russians are going to do what they are going to do. China and others as well. I expect that. I also expect our leaders to work to combat that. Not deny anything is going on while fellating the accused parties.

cartman 02-21-2018 08:31 AM

I have no doubt about the US meddling in foreign elections. But in this specific instance trying to say that the work of hired political advisers is the same as using the intelligence apparatus of a nation to influence is just not an accurate comparison.

BBT 02-21-2018 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 3196008)
I've seen this circulating the internet. To answer your responses ahead of time actually would rather not have foreign governments meddling in our elections and don't think two wrongs make a right but the media clearly has a hard on for Trump. "Hooray USA" [Clinton Administration] "The End of the Free World" [Trump Administration]



Not sure how a magazine cover/article from 21 years ago has anything to do with the current state of affairs in America or why it is being used to draw conclusions about the current media environment towards Trump.

It’s about the same as what Repub’s try to do when saying that Lincoln was a Republican. It’s a true statement, however, things have changed a bit since he was in office.

digamma 02-21-2018 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3195928)
I expect it's even more symbol. Like Trump's executive orders, this is just a press release with no follow up.


Well, yes. Both measures the President supported yesterday are NRA endorsed, so he's not exactly reaching across the aisle yet.


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