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stevew 05-11-2009 08:56 PM

Is this the easiest 2 round draw in NBA history? The Cavs have won all 8 games by double digits. Should be a nice 5 day break for our older guys.

miami_fan 05-11-2009 09:06 PM

If I see one more defender just run out the way and give away easy baskets I am going to scream!

Groundhog 05-12-2009 07:16 AM

This could be interesting.

JR Smith posts on twitter that he's setting the webcam up when he gets home, gives a link, then promptly leaves the room with the webcam still running. Some time passes (40mins maybe?) and he returns with his crew, and they all start puffing on blunts, live on webcam! At first JR is going off camera to take a puff, but he's clearly exhaling the smoke all on screen, and eventually just takes a puff on screen. There are only about 11 or 12 people watching, and it's still going on right now, though the smoking has stopped:

hxxp://www.ustream.tv/channel/black-entourage-ent.(make sure you include the ".")

This is unbelievably stupid, he better hope no one was recording this...

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 08:34 PM

Celtics just playing awful. This is hard to watch.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 08:38 PM

What a terrible game. Both teams are playing awful, the Magic just suck less.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 08:41 PM

The Magic should be up by 30 and that's not even an exaggeration.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 2018469)
This could be interesting.

JR Smith posts on twitter that he's setting the webcam up when he gets home, gives a link, then promptly leaves the room with the webcam still running. Some time passes (40mins maybe?) and he returns with his crew, and they all start puffing on blunts, live on webcam! At first JR is going off camera to take a puff, but he's clearly exhaling the smoke all on screen, and eventually just takes a puff on screen. There are only about 11 or 12 people watching, and it's still going on right now, though the smoking has stopped:

hxxp://www.ustream.tv/channel/black-entourage-ent.(make sure you include the ".")

This is unbelievably stupid, he better hope no one was recording this...


you mean you weren't and didn't send it to the league already?

ass

Groundhog 05-12-2009 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019401)
you mean you weren't and didn't send it to the league already?

ass


I actually did record some of it. If blackmailing weren't illegal... :)

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:47 PM

just send it to the league - if he's that stupid then maybe a suspension will teach him a lesson

SirFozzie 05-12-2009 08:56 PM

yeah. hope the Celtics can win in game 6, because they've been fucking putrid tonight.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:04 PM

Stephon Marbury of all people keeping the Celtics within striking distance.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:12 PM

The go to guys right now are Starbury and Big Baby Davis. I like the Celtics chances. Pretty lucky to only be down 6 after playing terrible for 3 and a half quarters.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:17 PM

FUCK YEAH SUGAR RAY

miami_fan 05-12-2009 09:17 PM

The full nelson is a celebratory move now?

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:17 PM

LOL! Orlando blew a 14 point lead to Stephon Marbury and Big Baby Davis. This is an epic collapse if they lose.

Radii 05-12-2009 09:18 PM

watching the magic run their offense just offends me as a basketball fan.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:19 PM

I think a D League team would have been competitive with either team tonight. Whoever wins has been given a gift.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:20 PM

They're just shooting wild 3s now.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:21 PM

Big call goes the Celtics way.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:23 PM

That's very very close, but fortunate that it was called and then changed, because Perkins had an easy two if they don't blow the whistle.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:26 PM

Magic are so awful.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:29 PM

Foul.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:32 PM

Foul again.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:34 PM

And they inbound it to Howard, lol.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:35 PM

The Magic are out of timeouts now so as long as the C's make 1 FT, it's over. The Celtics will foul before the Magic can get down the court.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:37 PM

What an ugly win, but I'll take it.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 09:37 PM

wow...was i wrong

Big Fo 05-12-2009 09:38 PM

Two straight awful finishes from Orlando. The Lee/Alston/Redick/Pietrus backcourt can't get it done in the big moments.

Ronnie Dobbs2 05-12-2009 09:40 PM

Why does the Magic offense not seem to be centered around Howard?

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:42 PM

Can Howard do anything except dunk when he gets the ball close to the basket?

Big Fo 05-12-2009 09:42 PM

Howard isn't all that good on offense when it's not a dunk or layup. Those hook-shots haven't really been falling either. They should still get him the ball a little more often, it just seems like the team presses the moron button at some point in the fourth quarter and it's really obnoxious.

SirFozzie 05-12-2009 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 2019546)
Why does the Magic offense not seem to be centered around Howard?


Because Howard is only comfortable in a very small area around the hoop. The C's players have been able to muscle him out of that area.

Lathum 05-12-2009 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 2019549)
Can Howard do anything except dunk when he gets the ball close to the basket?


Nope, obviously the Magic are a better team without him.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:49 PM

They should get it to Howard more if only to draw fouls. In game 4, the C's big men were in foul trouble early. Big Baby had 3 fouls in the first half. If I was the Magic, my main goal would be to get Mikki Moore in the game.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019562)
Nope, obviously the Magic are a better team without him.


I wouldn't go that far. Howard isn't good at creating his own shots, but he's a monster at just about everything else. Perkins seems to do a good job on him though.

Lathum 05-12-2009 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 2019578)
I wouldn't go that far. Howard isn't good at creating his own shots, but he's a monster at just about everything else. Perkins seems to do a good job on him though.


:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

MrBug708 05-12-2009 10:55 PM

That's a bit better

Neon_Chaos 05-12-2009 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019629)
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


It's ok Lathum, I understand your pain.

Chief Rum 05-12-2009 11:55 PM

Hmm, I see the Lakers are playing tonight. I wonder why this series took a four day break? I looked around on Sunday, and didn't see the Lakers playing.

whomario 05-13-2009 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2019782)
Hmm, I see the Lakers are playing tonight. I wonder why this series took a four day break? I looked around on Sunday, and didn't see the Lakers playing.


Hello, welcome to the 21st century. The Internet sends itīs best regards:)

They lost at Houston on Sunday ;)

Howard speaks up : Howard calls out coach's play-calling - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

Quote:


“I have to get the ball,” Howard said. “I don’t think you are going to win a lot of games when your post player only gets 10 shots. It’s tough to get yourself going and get a lot of shots without a lot of touches. We have to get better with that.”
What Howard was trying to say was simple: Van Gundy has to get getter with that. Howard had 12 points and 17 rebounds, just 10 shots on the night. In the fourth quarter, when it all slipped away, Howard had just two shots. He made them both, but it was far too little, and that’s become far too much of a pattern here.


While i agree that heīs not a true go-to-guy on offense you still have to involve him. And if only because that does give the Shooters more room. In the regular season they didīt go to him excessively but often enough to have the defense collaps just in caser, that element is gone now and the 3P% is way down because of that.
Perkins does a great job on him though.

Van Gundy just flat out isnīt a good pressure coach. Maybe he isnīt a bad coach per se but his antics are just a huge distraction. Heīs like the coaching version of Gerald Wallace, allways out of control and running arround like a chicken without a head...
Shaq called him "Master of Panic" , kinda fits.

Then gain Howard was terrible defensively tonight and showed no effort at all. And why heīs still sending blocks to the 10th row is beyond me ... Seriously, he could propably keep 50% of his blocks that go out, in bounds if he wanted.


Rockets got blown out, not much of a surprise here now that the adrenalin wasnīt pumping anymore after the Yao-blow...

Big Fo 05-13-2009 07:40 AM

I'm glad Howard called out van Gundy like that, those last four minutes were shockingly bad. He also mentioned how well the team had done with Howard and Gortat in the game at the same time, taking advantage of Boston's smallness, but that group never saw the floor late in the fourth.

With how unstoppable Cleveland looks this season and the Nelson injury this playoff campaign is more about gaining experience than a team thinking they could actually win the title this year but this team should still be able to get past Boston who are also weakened by injury. van Gundy deserves a decent share of the blame if Orlando fails to do so, he didn't do anything to stop that 11-0 run or previous fourth quarter failures. The last two games have been frustrating as hell.

miami_fan 05-13-2009 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2019853)
Hello, welcome to the 21st century. The Internet sends itīs best regards:)

They lost at Houston on Sunday ;)

Howard speaks up : Howard calls out coach's play-calling - NBA - Yahoo! Sports



While i agree that heīs not a true go-to-guy on offense you still have to involve him. And if only because that does give the Shooters more room. In the regular season they didīt go to him excessively but often enough to have the defense collaps just in caser, that element is gone now and the 3P% is way down because of that.
Perkins does a great job on him though.

Van Gundy just flat out isnīt a good pressure coach. Maybe he isnīt a bad coach per se but his antics are just a huge distraction. Heīs like the coaching version of Gerald Wallace, allways out of control and running arround like a chicken without a head...
Shaq called him "Master of Panic" , kinda fits.

Then gain Howard was terrible defensively tonight and showed no effort at all. And why heīs still sending blocks to the 10th row is beyond me ... Seriously, he could propably keep 50% of his blocks that go out, in bounds if he wanted.


Rockets got blown out, not much of a surprise here now that the adrenalin wasnīt pumping anymore after the Yao-blow...


I am all for giving Perkins getting credit but Howard is right. And I don't want to hear the talk about his poor foul shooting either. He is not Mark Price at the line but he has not been horrible there either. If he is in the game, he has to touch the ball. If they want to run an offense like they did against Philly when Howard was suspended, then put him on the bench, play Gortat and move on.

whomario 05-13-2009 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 2019937)
I am all for giving Perkins getting credit but Howard is right. And I don't want to hear the talk about his poor foul shooting either. He is not Mark Price at the line but he has not been horrible there either. If he is in the game, he has to touch the ball. If they want to run an offense like they did against Philly when Howard was suspended, then put him on the bench, play Gortat and move on.


hey, you are preaching to a converted here ;) You are absolutely right that if you have a dominant or even very good player you damn better play to his strengths or move one.
What Orlando desperately lacks is a Pick and Roll Point Guard. Alston is terrible at that because he canīt score on the move or finish at the rim at all and thus the defense doesnīt commit to him and Nelson isnīt much better at it either because he imo lacks passing skills there and isnīt that good a finisher either. And at the 2 you have guys like Redick or Pietrus who i wouldnīt want dribling the ball at all ... Turkoglu can run it, but itīs just not as effective with a forward/Center combo, easier to trap and all because itīs executed slower.

They really made a living out of good spacing in the regular season, now they donīt feed/involve Howard and their spacing goes down the river.

They actually shoot less 3s than in the regular season, but only because they canīt get open and not because they go inside more.

RainMaker 05-13-2009 02:47 PM

Watching the Magic play, they've been at their best offensively when Howard has not been on the court. Game 6 against the Sixers and a few other games in this series when he's been in foul trouble.

Not to mention that he is the Defensive Player of the Year and allowed the Celtics to score 33 points in the 4th quarter. He played the entire quarter too. A real leader steps up in that spot and doesn't whine and doesn't blame everyone else for their loss.

miami_fan 05-13-2009 06:56 PM

So you agree he should not be on the court?

RainMaker 05-13-2009 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 2021098)
So you agree he should not be on the court?

No. I'm saying the problem with the Magic isn't him getting the ball enough.

TroyF 05-14-2009 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019419)
just send it to the league - if he's that stupid then maybe a suspension will teach him a lesson



I think the NBA suspends a guy for 10 games for marijuana use after his FOURTH positive test.

No idea how many failed tests JR has now.

Guy has a ten cent head. . . but my God can he fill it up when he gets going. He just finished torching Jason Terry in the Nuggets/Mavericks series.

First time in the conference finals in 24 years. If only I could get the Lakers team that played in Houston the other night to show up for 4 games in this next series. :)

Don't think the Nuggets matchup well against the Lakers. We'll be very, very tough at home, but I don't know how we take one in LA. Is it to much to ask for the Rockets to find a way to beat the Lakers for us? :)

whomario 05-14-2009 02:44 AM

I suppose it might be too much ... Maybe take it to 7 but even that sounds unlikely to me.

Denver deserved to advance, just the flat out better team. At the end of the day the Mavs just couldnīt get stops/the Nuggets came through when it counted. Take your pick, both sound about right.

For the Mavs Nowitzki with an impressive series overall, going for 34/12 on 53% shooting while being defended really, really well.
But when your starting Center averages more Fouls than rebounds. And almost as many TOs (10) as Points (15) and you donīt have a starting SG to speak of... Or any real SG worth anything ... And then you have your starting 3 playing on 2 bum ankles.
Well, letīs just say that this is definitely a case of "one guy can only do so much" .
Props to Denver for recognizing that and playing him 1:1 most of the time unlike the Spurs did (who double and trapped every time basically) and not give open shots to the help players, good decicion by Karl.
For Denver Billups/Melo played a great series again hitting all the big shots. And their help guys did a good job. Not all in every game, but always enough.

Billups no with 7 consecutive Conference Finals.

Chief Rum 05-14-2009 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2019853)
Hello, welcome to the 21st century. The Internet sends itīs best regards:)

They lost at Houston on Sunday ;)


Hmm, maybe I need to work on making my sarcasm more obvious. ;)

Neon_Chaos 05-14-2009 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2021425)
Hmm, maybe I need to work on making my sarcasm more obvious. ;)


:D



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