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Mr. Wednesday 07-27-2005 10:14 PM

Swaggs (or anyone else), any ideas on why Hoops was acting like an X-COM on day 2, since it looks as though he was converted on night 1? Is there a lag in the conversion process?

Swaggs 07-27-2005 10:18 PM

I'm honestly not sure.

It could've been an act or it could have been a lag period.

I suppose if there is a lag period, you can scratch the list of five humans. But, as long as we get Neon Chaos and Raiders Army next, we will be in as good of position as we could hope for.

kingfc22 07-27-2005 10:18 PM

I know many of you humans think I am an alien and my actions today would easily steer you down that path. It was not until late today that I figured out my scanner was broken. I was under the assumption that my scanner was seeking the converted member and that is why I kept saying hoopsguy was clean. Clearly I was wrong. My scanner was looking for the converter, not the convertee. At the start of the day, I was going to go after Raiders and then my scanner malfunction happened and all heck broke loose.

Neon and Raiders both voted for CW and Fouts and they are the top 2 guys on my list.

Fouts 07-27-2005 10:58 PM

Swaggs, well played. I am forever in your debt. I'm not sure why you didn't kill the converter, but I guess you knew for sure on Hoops.

Qwik, what can I say? I figured you for our side, but you might have been converted.

Mr. Wednesday, you need to get one right. Hopefully tomorrow.

My list still stands. Neon is the converter and he needs to die or they will convert someone tomorrow night. This is crunch time.

One of these 3 were converted - King, Qwik, Mr. Wednesday. I figured King because he vehemently backed hoops and raiders.

Mr. Wednesday 07-27-2005 11:06 PM

I need to get one right assuming I survive the night. Considering my track record so far, I think my chances are pretty good. :o :eek:

Mr. Wednesday 07-27-2005 11:06 PM

Dola, I did vote for Neon_Chaos over CW. :p

Swaggs 07-27-2005 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fouts
Swaggs, well played. I am forever in your debt. I'm not sure why you didn't kill the converter, but I guess you knew for sure on Hoops.



I had planned to make sure that Neon Chaos died, either, hopefully, by the vote or by over-riding the computer, if necessary. I may have made a mistake by picking hoopsguy at the last minute, but the comments leading up to the 8:00 deadline really started to rattle my confidence in my sources.

In the end, I decided to go with what I knew for sure. Now I feel certain that there are a few people I can trust.

Swaggs 07-27-2005 11:28 PM

Fouts, you don't have any insight on who else was converted do you?

Just in case...

Fouts 07-27-2005 11:30 PM

No. Once I outed myself, I was cut off from their communications. I wish I knew who the last guy was, but I don't. I do know for 100% positive that Neon is the converter. He has almost been killed like 3 times, but some of the humans keep saving him. I really don't understand it.

Neon_Chaos 07-28-2005 12:55 AM

kingfc22, Mr. Wednesday, I know it may not seem much. But I do think you're both human. I don't know about Qwikshot, despite him saving me... he's been acting wierd lately. RA, I'm almost positive might be an alien.

Swaggs, think what you want of me. I'm sure Fouts is loving this right now.

I know I'm not dying tonight because I'm going to be reserved for the killing tommorow.

Reading back a bit. I think Blade6119 let something slip when he said that hoopsguy almost fingered out two of "Them" on day 1. If I remember correctly, there were 4 "Blade's Friends" that hoopsguy was pointing out, Blade, Qwikshot, Mr.Wednesday, and you Fouts. And after Mr Wednesday voted not to hang me, he's clean in my books.

If I interpret this correctly, I'm thinking that you're not the alien slave you say you are, but a full-blooded alien.

But then again, we're not going to find that out now are we?

Vince 07-28-2005 01:27 AM

Swaggs, you rock. I kind of wish people had legitimized my Neon claims, but this is just as good.

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 05:39 AM

Alrighty then. I guess I look really bad here. Oh well. Nothing I can do about it. In past games, I've said actions speak louder than words, and I guess ironically, those words come back to haunt me.

My actions may have seemed confusing, but that's because I am:

1. Confused
2. Paranoid

I don't have anything in my defense, so what happens, happens. I'm not throwing in the towel yet. :) I am still human after all.

SirFozzie 07-28-2005 07:48 AM

The night passes..

Sleep comes hard for you.. but eventually you DO fall asleep.. and in the Morning, there's only 10 of you left.

KingFC22 was ambushed during the night, and lies half in and half out of his bed, with a smoking plasma hole in between his ears.

The computer has rebooted, and updates its ectoplasmic count as you all come out.

THREE

SirFozzie 07-28-2005 07:49 AM

The Departed List.

Schmidty (Day 1: Group)
Blade6119 (Day 2: Group)
Peregrine (Night 2: Alien Front)
Coffee Warlord (Day 3: Group)
hoopsguy (Day 4: Blasted by Computer Override (Swaggs)
KingFC22 (Night 4: Alien Front)

It is Day 5. Votes are due by 8 PM. Night 4 information now is in play.

jeff061 07-28-2005 08:02 AM

This seems like a nicely run game. Nice work Fozzie.

JeeberD 07-28-2005 08:06 AM

Excellent works, Swaggs... :)

So we're going after Neon today, right?

SirFozzie 07-28-2005 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061
This seems like a nicely run game. Nice work Fozzie.


Trust me, it's lots of fun, but it's also lots of work. I think this one is the most complicated WW game yet (except for Peregrine's next one) and I'm just glad we haven't had MORE bobbles :D

digamma 07-28-2005 08:49 AM

So, we're at 6-3 now.

Today is still vital to our chances.

Neon_Chaos 07-28-2005 10:32 AM

I know I'm gone today, you guys have made up your minds. Sticking with my vote yesterday.

Vote Fouts

Qwikshot 07-28-2005 10:50 AM

I'm leaning against Fouts now...I've been going down the wrong path. Checking hoops room didn't reveal any new details, so I'm guessing he wasn't the boss.

JeeberD 07-28-2005 11:07 AM

I see no reason to change my vote from yesterday.

Vote Neon Chaos

Mr. Wednesday 07-28-2005 11:35 AM

The most obvious thing to assume, right now, would be that the aliens united behind Fouts to protect Neon_Chaos; if you presume that Neon_Chaos is the Chryssalid, the votes would work out exactly right with Qwikshot being the conversion in Night 3. The only question, then, would be why make our job easier by blowing up kingfc22? As confused as he was, he would have been a suspect today. That's two alien killings that don't make a whole lot of sense to me.

The worst case scenario for us is that they managed to get us voting for two humans, in which case they would have been able to split their vote without it becoming obvious.

digamma 07-28-2005 11:40 AM

I'm fully prepared for some sort of mind job here.

Sorting back through things, here's what we have:

Confirmed Roles
Swaggs--computer hacker
digamma--PSI-Amp operator
Qwikshot--Jack of All Trades (some speculation about conversion)

Unconfirmed Roles
Fouts--Spy. Has credibility because of his battle against hoopsguy.
Neon--alien converter. No real defense. Voted against Fouts and with hoopsguy.

Info known about these players:
RaidersArmy--began his life as a human. After a trip to the doctor as a youth, he emerged not quite human. He hates his own skin.
JeeberD--Not much known about him. Votes with digamma and Swaggs. Thought to be a good guy.
Vince--Thought to be a good guy.
Mr. Wednesday--Here's where it gets interesting. Wednesday voted with hoopsguy yesterday. Unfair as it may be, Wednesday may also be implicated by the Blade/hoopsguy back and forth yesterday. Alien?

At the end of the day yesterday, I was pretty convinced kingfc was a bad guy. I was wrong.

We know there are three of them out there. Neon seems the most obvious target. We also know something isn't right with RaidersArmy. My third guess, at this point, would seem to be Wednesday.

Mr. Wednesday 07-28-2005 11:41 AM

The score right now is 7 - 3. If we make a mistake and they convert another, there will be absolutely no room for error. I think, though, that we'll have a pretty good idea of who's who at that point.

Vote Neon_Chaos

Mr. Wednesday 07-28-2005 11:42 AM

digamma, I voted with hoopsguy because I couldn't square his actions on Day 2 with being alien. I was wrong, now I don't have any idea why he acted as he did in fingering Blade.

JeeberD 07-28-2005 11:48 AM

Might not the aliens have killed king just to make it look like those voting for Fouts aren't aliens? Basically they killed someone that they knew was human yet we weren't sure about to try and make themselves look innocent...

Mr. Wednesday 07-28-2005 11:48 AM

Breaking down what I know on the factions of yesterday's vote:

Fouts:
Mr. Wedensday (human)
kingfc22 (human)
hoopsguy (convert)
Neon_Chaos (accused by Fouts)
Raiders Army (accused by Digamma)
Qwikshot (human into Night 3, jack-of-all-trades, ? since)

Neon_Chaos:
JeeberD
Swaggs (human, computer operator)
Digamma
Fouts
Vince

Swaggs 07-28-2005 11:53 AM

Kingfc22 was a human agent and had a protective role. He very likely died protecting one of us.

Plasma shot as the cause of death makes me a little nervous.

Vince, can the aliens use weapons?

JeeberD 07-28-2005 11:55 AM

I'm pretty sure (from reading GB's dynasty) that the aliens use plasma rays. In fact, that's how we X-Com folks wound up with the technology...we stole it from them.

kingfc22 07-28-2005 01:08 PM

:(

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 01:19 PM

kingfc22 dying makes no sense. If Neon and I are aliens, why would we try to take out someone who voted with us? I am still not convinced of Fouts and digamma's innocence. I'm not sure about Neon, but right now I know what I am, and it seems as if Swaggs is on the level since he killed an alien and there supposedly wasn't a conversion last night. I'll vote with whomever Swaggs votes for.

Swaggs 07-28-2005 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army
kingfc22 dying makes no sense. If Neon and I are aliens, why would we try to take out someone who voted with us? I am still not convinced of Fouts and digamma's innocence. I'm not sure about Neon, but right now I know what I am, and it seems as if Swaggs is on the level since he killed an alien and there supposedly wasn't a conversion last night. I'll vote with whomever Swaggs votes for.



I believe kingfc22 was protecting one of us from the aliens last night. He either died instead of one of us or was identified by the aliens as someone that could help us, so he was killed.

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 01:51 PM

Ah, that makes sense.

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie
The night passes..

Sleep comes hard for you.. but eventually you DO fall asleep.. and in the Morning, there's only 10 of you left.

KingFC22 was ambushed during the night, and lies half in and half out of his bed, with a smoking plasma hole in between his ears.

The computer has rebooted, and updates its ectoplasmic count as you all come out.

THREE

He was killed in his bed, so was he protecting someone and he got killed? The other thing that's weird is that how would the aliens know he's a guard?

Swaggs 07-28-2005 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army
He was killed in his bed, so was he protecting someone and he got killed? The other thing that's weird is that how would the aliens know he's a guard?


I don't have all the answers. You said that you picked up Coffee Warlord's ecto level on your scanner a few days. What else do you know?

digamma 07-28-2005 02:02 PM

And, will you finally explain your doctor's visit?

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 02:02 PM

That's about it. I know Fouts and digamma were talking in a strange language. Other than that, I chose to sneak into Jeeb's room last night, and he was snoring.

digamma 07-28-2005 02:04 PM

Again, to my knowledge, I haven't had any nighttime conversations with Fouts.

I want to believe you are good, RA, because I know you've vowed revenge on those who made you what you are.

Swaggs 07-28-2005 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma
Again, to my knowledge, I haven't had any nighttime conversations with Fouts.

I want to believe you are good, RA, because I know you've vowed revenge on those who made you what you are.



This sounds interesting...

JeeberD 07-28-2005 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army
Other than that, I chose to sneak into Jeeb's room last night, and he was snoring.


I was wondering why my posterior was sore this morning... :(

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma
And, will you finally explain your doctor's visit?

Since it looks like I'm going either tonight or tomorrow, I might as well not hold back then:

In a nutshell, my father was a separatist. He was an alien supporter and took me to a doctor and my blood was tainted. Now, if I'm targeted and die, I can kill somebody (human or alien) that night due to my tainted blood (sort of an eye for an eye thing). The problem is that whomever I kill, I won't be sure if they're an alien or not. I'm pretty sure Fouts is an alien and may be a double spy. I'm somewhat inclined to believe at least part of his story that he was a slave to the aliens (the part I'm not inclined to believe is that I'm an alien).

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD
I was wondering why my posterior was sore this morning... :(

Just call me the Ether Bunny!

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army
Since it looks like I'm going either tonight or tomorrow, I might as well not hold back then:

In a nutshell, my father was a separatist. He was an alien supporter and took me to a doctor and my blood was tainted. Now, if I'm targeted and die, I can kill somebody (human or alien) that night due to my tainted blood (sort of an eye for an eye thing). The problem is that whomever I kill, I won't be sure if they're an alien or not. I'm pretty sure Fouts is an alien and may be a double spy. I'm somewhat inclined to believe at least part of his story that he was a slave to the aliens (the part I'm not inclined to believe is that I'm an alien).

Oh, and BTW, this sounds like a pretty shitty power to have since I have to actually die to use it...I guess that's why I was given the opportunity to check others out and scan one time. I should've held back on the scan until later in the game (especially since it cost CW his life), but I can't undo it.

Vince 07-28-2005 02:15 PM

Jeebs has it correct Swaggs -- plasma weaponry is what the aliens brought to earth, and we 'stole' it from them.

As for my vote, I need no indication today...same vote I've had for three days now.

I vote Neon_Chaos.

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army
kingfc22 dying makes no sense. If Neon and I are aliens, why would we try to take out someone who voted with us? I am still not convinced of Fouts and digamma's innocence. I'm not sure about Neon, but right now I know what I am, and it seems as if Swaggs is on the level since he killed an alien and there supposedly wasn't a conversion last night. I'll vote with whomever Swaggs votes for.

After thinking about this, it would be a good strategy for the aliens to do this to us. Here's the scenario:

They're down 7-3. Take out one of the supporters of Neon and then we're only up 6-3. They have us vote out Neon, 5-3. They convert another tonight and it's 4-4...game over. I'm thinking Neon's the patsy in this and the easiest target of opportunity. The only problem that I have is who do I point my gun at? Fouts? The stronger I go against him, the less sure I am that he's a bad guy.

Swaggs is safe in my mind. He's the only one?

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince
Jeebs has it correct Swaggs -- plasma weaponry is what the aliens brought to earth, and we 'stole' it from them.

As for my vote, I need no indication today...same vote I've had for three days now.

I vote Neon_Chaos.

Same vote for three days? Can you give us your reasons again? Again, I'm trying to figure out the evil troika.

Swaggs 07-28-2005 02:24 PM

What more evidence do you possibly need against Neon Chaos.

He was one of the three identified as the possible converter by Qwikshot. The other two died (Peregrine and Blade) and he was the third. There has been a conversion since.

Coffee Warlord tried to convince us to kill him before we lynched him. Afterwards, he tried to shoot him.

Fouts named him. He was correct in naming hoopsguy as the converted.

While I'm at it... I Vote Neon Chaos.

Fouts 07-28-2005 03:09 PM

Looks like we are finally gonna do it. I was sure we were done for. Goodbye alien converter!

I vote Neon_Chaos

Fouts 07-28-2005 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwikshot
I'm leaning against Fouts now...I've been going down the wrong path. Checking hoops room didn't reveal any new details, so I'm guessing he wasn't the boss.


I thought King might have been the converted, but now I can see I was wrong. Why would they kill King? To show me as being able to get it wrong? Qwik, you would have done better to vote for Neon right away. Now you are suspected of being converted.

It actually makes sense that they would convert you. It would be too risky to leave you with that ability. You could have become the bodyguard, if I read the role correctly.

Raiders Army 07-28-2005 03:21 PM

Vote Neon_Chaos


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