Who was it that brought up guns originally? I think that individual may know more than they are letting on.

Maybe more supplies will get us more guns...? Since everyone is so interested in guns.

It was probably me-I had no knowledge about this beforehand. I just guessed that we would be getting guns at some point because clearly we are not alone here, and the presence of the stowaway.

Read back through some posts to gather some opinions. here goes nothing;

1. In EF's original post he mentioned "one set of us is selfish" and "one set if selfless". While the different goals makes finding the stowaway difficult we should remember that there is a set of colonists who do not have the colony's best interests in mind.
2. When the Communications Equipment was mentioned early in the game it was tied to "Important orders from headquarters". I think we need that equipment up and operating.
3. Need to know more about the passenger manifest in Font's possession.
4. EF mentioned we have the Gun as an item but no bullets. It will be interesting to find out if our defense project provides us with bullets.
5. We are 2 for 2 as far as known backgrounds (Schmidty and Danny) and those backgrounds being a bit shady. We should keep in mind that many more likely have shady backgrounds.

I know... not much help.

Just about everyone's background is shady as far as I'm concerned, since I don't know who really is telling the truth. Which is one of the reason why I've chosen to keep my own exact identify someone vague.

Somewhat (not someone....)

I'll summarize what I've been pondering. Maybe someone can lend a hand in making this all make sense.

Current Independant Roles
Stowaway
Murderer - Schmidty
Murderer - Danny
Interrogator

1. Are we fairly certain the stowaway is the murderer? Could another colonist have murderous intent, or two colonists for that matter? I'm not seeing that these murders are definitely related other than the players were MIA and wounded. Or do we just assume they are related at this point?

2. The interrogator went after Chief Rum for working on Schmidty the day prior to his death. If my logic is correct the interrogator had a 50% chance of choosing Chief Rum or Autumn, since they were the two working on Schmidty. If I'm wrong, then some other information made Chief Rum the target, or the interrogator took a random swing with a 1 in 19 chance of finding anything. Assuming of course the interrogator is not the stowaway/murderer.

It was suggested that the interrogator may have "wasted" a one time use ability. Is that how these games usually work, that abilities like that are one time use? If not, am I the only one that is not connecting the dots and thinks beating up our colonists is counterproductive at this point?

I don't think the stowaway and the murderer are the same person.

timmae, I believe EF said communications is automatically a job for today.

Agreed.

However, does the stoaway know that they are the stowaway?

I would like to think they know they are. But you would have to ask them yourself.

I believe that others have mentioned that the 2 murders are probably connected since they happened to both occur on injured players (who just happened to be non-participants in the early going). I would agree that there is a murderer amongst us and that they probably killed both colonists.

I also tend to believe there is an interrogator that wouldn't have bothered to interrogate either player that was murdered but based on something interrogated Chief Rum. I also tend to believe that the interrogator and the stowaway are 2 different individuals.

I also tend to believe (gut feel along with evidence per my tracking spreadsheet) that the stowaway likely has allies that have been recruited since the craft landed (or maybe even before landing).

Interesting. Timmae, do you believe it likely that the stowaway and interrogator are allied? Not saying you suggested that, but I thought we should throw that out there for consideration.

A "conversion" process happening behind the scenes is a fairly common trope in WW games, so I am surprised that this is the first mention of the possibility I can recall in this game. It would not shock me to find that this is true.

FWIW, I do not believe the interrogator is in any way allied with the stowaway, at least not up to the night of my interrogation.

Agreed with this

Communications is automatically the next project, but there is an action option to vote for "effort to repair communications", likely increasing the chances of fully restoring communications

welcome back everyone

volunteer to finish medical building
vote work on improved defenses
vote gather supplies

It was automatically the next project but we must now choose to work on it as an action item, right? Or am I completely upside down on what is happening...

Looks like I was wrong and that this is an option. My bad!

I don't underdtand the emphasis on supply gathering today. It seems to me the much better route to go if we want to focus on gathering supplies is to do that tomorrow when we may have some defensive technology to use in case of danger (armor? Uncertain) and where we'll have some benefit of the communicator being completed. Just to show the two orders:

1. Gather supplies then fix communicator: No info from communicator next day
2. Fix communicator then gather supplies: Same result plus a day of info from earth.

We've been told it's important and rather than gather food for a rainy day, I'd rather work on something to provide us information which we sorely need. It also gives Grover an option of upgrading the communicator sooner if the information we get is truly valuable.

Vote fix communcicator l

The allocation of resources today is quite complicated. Good luck font, I'll try and provide input later if you're interested in my thoughts.

To me it doesn't appear that they are working in tandem, but who knows.. There are a few people that have caught my eye that could be turned colonists, as to whether or not those individuals would be the interrogator, I don't think so. Your mention of the night of your interrogation has me wondering... it seems you may have a few hunches on your side?

Well, if you're talking about my line "up to my night of interrogation", I am just saying up to that point, I don't believe the interrogator was working for the stowaway. I'm allowing for the possibility he/she could have been converted since then.

I am still going with my prior logic for why the interrogator and stowaway are not working to the same end (the interrogator left me alive).

Also, emphasis on supplies will hopefully be lessened by having the Biodome running. We're completely in the dark about what's going to eat us or bull moose us or shower us with martian candy over that ridge there

And I do think we need to start exploring here pretty soon but having communications running is presumably vital to the chances of exploration missions being successful/giving us information on what they find in case they don't come back or get stranded

Shoveler, thank you for letting me know if you were responsible for the interrogation. I am assuming that a sheriff candidate is responsible because I don't think this power was given randomly, it was given to someone with the appropriate background to have such a power-those with a law enforcement background seemed the most likely. If you would like to go through the list of the remaining colonists, and find someone else you think could have the right background to have the ability, I would very much appreciate it.

ASSIGN BRITROCK AND JAG to police force

that's whom I'd like to nominate for this Font. Let me know if you feel differently. Shoveler if I could nominate a third, you'd be it. But I feel a bit safer going with the other two right now.

Font, if you're willing to dedicate resources to engineering, I'd like to add The Jackal and saldana into my group.

VOTE-ACTION to repair communications


Was going to vote gather or explore flatlands here-but JAG made a good point about communications

I earlier said that the same healing assignments would likely bring me to full health. Three were assigned to me (Autumn, ntn and font).

Font was the weakest medically (I presume), and as I stated earlier, the level of healing provided to me would be MORE than enough. Meaning, I think it is quite likely that Autumn and ntndeacon alone should suffice to bring me back to full health.

So font can then assign herself to somewhere more useful.

I also want to stress that we need to assign the necessary resources to complete the Medical Center, which will likely make it even easier to heal hurt colonists without needing to devote valuable labor resources down the road.

I'm happy to do that, but let's also keep in mind we need some resources to finish constructing the medical building and some for fixing the communicator. My guess is I should be allocated to finish the building if not as a deputy. I'll try and throw together some options for font to think about when I get home, but generally speaking I would probably lean towards having more science and engineering types work on the communicator though a number of those people could be assigned to Grover or timmae. Physical types probably to deputies or finishing the medical building. Medical types on the medical building probably, if not maybe one on CR.

By the way, I'm fine with offense as an option as scouting needs to be the priority with our basic base nearly built and I would feel better if we were equipped properly for such a task.

okay then some info on Danny's and Schmidty's murder:

I am pretty certain that they are one and the same, similar MO's. I have not investigated Danny's murder yet, but just by looking I can tell this. Schmidty was killed with a wire stripped from some piece of equipment nearby and strangled with it.

I have also generated a bit of a psychological profile-he/she is a coward, saw that both Danny and Schmidty were weak and unable to defend themselves and could not resist attacking them. How someone this mentally disturbed got on our colony ship is the first question I will ask Earth when we reestablish contact with them. Not much more than I can say here without violating the "do not quote PM" rule

Its imperiative that anyone with a watch or protect player order keep an eye on Chief Rum tonight as he is apparently the most injured of us all, and a likely target for the killer.

So I have had an investigate order since Schmidty's death. I hope you will understand why I did not reveal it. Chief Rum I will have more to say about this later tonight in regards to you, so stay tuned. More about what the government being created has done for my abilities too, but I have to go make dinner now.

I still think you can build the med center this turn as you won't be assigned to anything police force wise until tomorrow if I'm understanding things correctly.

Thom, thanks for exposing what you could and also for not exposing too much when I pushed you early on. Keep us tuned in...

Interesting. I look forward to hearing what you have discovered.

Incidentally, I suspect I am now too healthy for this person to kill me with the ease with which he dispatched Schmidty and Danny. Both of them seemed much more hurt than I was when their accidents happened, and I have healed significantly since then.

You are the Sheriff, so if it is your assessment that I am still in danger, I will abide by that, but I don't want to have a guard on me when labor resources are so strained, unless it is well warranted.

I think we should be absolutely clear about that, so that we don't end up with a still unfinished project. Perhaps we need to question EF on this to be certain.

Not a problem.. Guess that means I'm suspicious.. Ruh Roh.

Very interesting and I think this makes it even more imperative we fix the communicator as it will likely assist in providing background information that can help us solve the case.

Thomkal: I'm fine with your nominations, but I may have to pull one of them off to work on the med center.

Well the people of Earth decided to send 21 people to Mars without introducing us to each other before we left, and they didn't bother to establish leadership roles ahead of time. Background checks obviously weren't a priority for this mission either.

I don't think this is the case. When scientists were assigned to the research building, they were not part of the construction crew. That said, a police force may be more important than one resource spent on finishing the medical building, we just need to set a priority list to make sure we're focusing on what we think is most important.

+1

Can Zinto actually tell us what he's good at? I think he's the only person I have absolutely no skill info on.

Actually, I also lack specific info from shoveler.

The current distribution looks like this:
Science Center/Engineering
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type"


Healing Chief Rum
Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor
Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (AWFUL) worked in ER

Police Force
thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety
bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD), (MEDICAL) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes.
JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training

Medical Center

Next Project
Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic
Zinto - CEO
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD?) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GREAT)computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes
shoveler - Private investigator
Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering
saldana – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), pHYSICAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD) city planner

If a lack of medical skill was part of the reason the med center wasn't completed, should I take Autumn off of Chief Rum and put him on the med center?

Just wanted to bump this so everyone can see our current options.

Mars Dating Profile

Name: Shoveler

Hobbies: Looking buff & occasionally debating interstellar politics

Favorite Pastime: Longs walks on the martian surface

Favorite Beverage: Stale Earth water
Favorite Food: Space MREs

Drawbacks: Looks really confused when the topics of engineering, medical, or that mystical sciencey stuff comes up in conversation.

I'm reluctant to devote more resources to Grover when we have two engineering heavy projects left to work on (the medical center and communications). Would anyone want to work with him?

Autumn is the most effective fully healthy doctor. If you had to do this, I would take ntn off of me, and not Autumn.

That said, I don't think ability in Medical affects the completion of the project. Doctors don't build buildings (for a reason).

Are you free Friday?

I'll have to check my day planner. I left it somewhere near the passenger manifest.

You mean the partial passenger manifest.

I will be on later. Really busy day.

My recommendations for the rest:

Chief Rum: Autumn, ntndeacon
Assign 4 people to Medical Center to ensure that project is complete.
Engineering: Defenses
Science: Offensive

Divvying up of the team among our projects, I leave to font.

Don't have a lot of time to get caught up at the moment.

vote effort to repair communications.

I can probably do good things with even one person if possible? I know we have a lot of attention going toward science, but my group actualizes the science. The bigger my department the more good for this colony we can do. With the structures and equipment we'll be able to produce at high quality we can only become safer, sharper and better.

They can be used for other assignments. Though, if Thomkal assigned them something it will be via PM and will not be reflected in the post (so it will look like they are working on a project but really will be doing something else; to keep other forces from knowing that person is actually doing something else).

I'm not sure how to vote tonight, and the voting is pretty even so far.
Right now we have no leads, and no real way to gather any information about our situation. I'm not sure gathering supplies moves us in that direction, so...

Vote repair communicator

I would like to hear more thoughts from those that have voted on gather supplies over repair communications.

I believe that the communication repair action will provide numerous possible benefits including, but not limited to, hearing from home base about mission important items, hear about possible movement from others on mars, obtain information on the colonists, obtain possible future information critical to our success, etc. My thought towards supplies is that we are gaining health now that the biodome is functional. We also will have a chance to gather supplies on an offensive run once we have research and engineering on offense.

EF: My vote on post #1534 was missing, quoted above

Thanks, corrected it.

timmae, I've been for gathering supplies for days. They will benefit us all on a number of levels. We can upgrade the ccommunications after today, giving it an even stronger impact moving forward. For now we need to get to our supplies, before something else potentially gets to it. We need to strengthen from within first. Our supplies can help achieve this.

Actually I agree that you are probably too healthy for the killer to attack you, but neither of us know that for sure, so I'd rather you take it easy tonight and get fully healed.

As for what I was alluding too before with you. It turns out that I can investigate crimes other than deaths, which means I can investigate your crime or Danny's death. To be honest, I really don't think investigating Danny's death will reveal more, but then I'm not sure investigating your crime will do much for us given we both think it wasn't the killer or someone else who is against us. So I will leave it up to you to decide if you would like me to investigate your interrogation or not. I'm fine either way.

And to the person who did the interrogation-if I find out who it is after everyone denied it, you should expect a nice stay in our brand new jail-this is your last chance to come forward and admit to it.

So yes creating the govt has given us a jail cell and the new police force. I'm assuming that JAG and Britrock will get guard powers of some sort, but that's just a guess.

Roscoe P. Coltrane in tha house... goo goo...

wanted to make sure someone answered your last question. In Basic WW, generally there's no one time use abilities. But in more complex games, there are sometimes many, some you get at the start, others you get from various items. So I'm thinking there are potentially quite a few one (or more) use abilities in this game

kinda just passed out so i need to go sleep .

I think EF has chimed in on this, but just in case-I will not be assigning you JAG to any police force actions, so its okay for you to do the med center work tonight if you wish.

Use JAG for it-its all fine with me

Apparently not

catching up quick.

repair communications

Science Center
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type"

Engineering
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
saldana – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD) city planner
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GREAT)computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes

Healing Chief Rum
Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor
Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (AWFUL) worked in ER

Police Force
thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety
bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD), (MEDICAL) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes.
JAG - no action


Medical Center
Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering
JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic


Next Project
Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor
Zinto - CEO
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD?) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
shoveler – Physical, Social



I need one more for the Medical Center. Any suggestions?

Suicane? Physical has to help, right?

Sure?

If we get communications up, we're going to have to explain to mission control why we didn't go to retrieve the supplies they sent with us. That's a little awkward.

Yeah, put me to work. I'm glad I brought a deck of cards with me.

I am great at social and average at everything else.

Assign: Saldana and GoldenEagle to Grover
Autumn and ntndeacon to healing Chief Rum
Jackal, JAG, DanGarion and Suicane to the Medical Center

We're a little light on engineering for the Medical Center.

If I understand correctly there are 3 steps.. research, engineer and then build. Engineering may not directly affect building/action items. It almost seems like each stands on it's own skill... scientific, engineering and physical.

font,

britrock is available if you need him.

Must say... I don't like the silence (and the fact that EF's inbox is smoking right now...).

I feel like I voted to gather supplies. Is that me listed as gather supplies?

Message 1594 is me, not 'Gather Supplies'

Oh snap... zombie apocalypse on Mars. This is worse than a B Movie..

okay i guess we might have an explanation for our killer(s) ?

Give me Morphine! STAT!

I vote to shoot these people in the face when they land to "save" us :)