Yep, I was thrown in jail before I could pick up the client.

Cool, just wanted to make sure that you got some info on Night 0. Not getting any info on a client would have been ... well, weird.

Here it is. The question here is why is Blade interacting with Swaggs before he goes to jail but Izulde wasn't able to perform his night action...

This is really ringing the alarm bells with me. My trust for Blade is slipping away. I don't think that he could've interacted with Swaggs before he was hauled off to prison. This might also explain why he couldn't determine if Swaggs was good and saldana was bad in one night.

Maybe when Swaggs comes on, he can let us know where he was each night and that would help us.

RA, remember there is an order in which actions are taken...He was arrested leaving the opium den, i talked to him within it. So not only did i get to talk to him, he went to the opium den.

What i dont understand is why that only makes you doubt swaggs and I and not izulde...

Saldana will come up bad, and i hope you will trust me RA. What i have done for you this game should warrant that trust RA, as it got me in trouble. But you warrant me sticking my neck on the line, and i hope that faith is given back into me.

um so who are we voting for? and whats the talley. i came to throw a monkey wrench in things :P

Hmmmm....I haven't played with you in quite a while. The old Blade would wildly attack me for even mentioning doubt. :)

I guess we'll see what happens with saldana and go from there. Again, some things aren't adding up and it's either Swaggs/you, Izulde/DC, or simply a random occurence with the order of night moves processed.

If you dont like the new blade i can revert to form, just let me know :p

I think you missed the deadline..by like 2 and a half hours...

Just stay on your meds. :D

so i'm too lazy to go look. when did CR say he'd post the writeup?

here you go DT

aaah "much later"

lol

okay well i'm off to play FM then. but i'll pop around to see if the writeup is up.

What, no one got my Biggie reference? Playa haters ;)



So I see not much has happened. I'm curious about what happens tonight because it seems the same people see the same prostitutes. My tool needs a new shed... nothing against you Izulde ;)

You're lucky I'm thinking you're referencing Biggie Smalls.

"My tool needs a new shed?"

I think I have a new break up line.

Yes, the one, THE only. Why hasn't he come out with an album... Tupac did. :confused:


:D

Or Chief Rum needs a new signature :eek: :D

NO.... NO!! People outside WW will think I'm a hermaphrodite or something.

I can write any naughty things I want here and Antmeister will never know... don't blow my cover man :p

Man... you have been trying to build a case against me all day long.

I believe I have already done all this, but if it makes you feel better:

Night 0: Didn't have time to get a night order in, so I did nothing.
Night 1: Went to the opium den. Had a vivid dream that showed a meeting between bullet and Barkeep.
Night 2: Did not perform a night action. I have said my money was allocated and will go ahead and come out now and say that I made a bid to hire an urchin that day, so I didn't know whether or not I would have money that evening.
Night 3: Went back to the opium den. Two players, one of which was Blade, spoke to me there. After they left, I feel asleep on the couch, had a nonsensical dream, and was awakened by constables, who arrested me.

I am the local tanner and a normal Londoner.

Now, what exactly is your story, RA? What alibis do you have and what is your backstory?

Raiders just got called out after originally calling out swaggs..tonight might be more interesting then the day all things considered, not in information gleaned, but in snide remarks and what not. I could tell both of them who the other is, but this way is much more fun :) (well, and RA wont listen to me for whatever reason when i should be his most trusted person)

I just hope both what to share and what not to, as one slip up by either and our whole pie crumbles...

both know*

double dola, Swaggs...you trust me now? If you do, for the time being leave raiders alone...raiders, after the lynch you should trust me. If so, leave swaggs alone. Really you should trust me regardless of the lynch with what you know, but you dont seem to.

Either way, both of you should back down before one of you gives up the other.

Here is a list of all the 100% vouches that have occured so far in the 33 pages I just went through -- if there are any mistakes or clarifications let me know. I've tried to stay away from any vouch that was not a certainty.

Barkeep -- vouched for by bulletsponge, path, hoops, RA and Swaggs.
Blade -- vouched for by MrW and RA.
bulletsponge -- vouched for by Barkeep.
path12 -- vouched for by bulletsponge and RA. (I hadn't realized that).
st.cronin -- vouched for by RA.
hoopsguy -- vouched for by path, MrW, AlanT, Barkeep and RA.
Dodgerchick -- vouched for by Izulde.
Raiders Army -- vouched for by Blade and st.cronin.
Swaggs -- vouched for by Blade.
Izulde -- vouched for by Fouts, MrW, dubb, and Dodgerchick.

That leaves the following as not having been 100% vouched for by anyone:
DaddyTorgo
saldana
LoneStarGirl
dubb93

heyyy....don't hold it against me that izulde got busted while I was trying to visit him!

i'll go and spend another night searching for one of you lovely ladies if you'd like

Dola, it's kind of interesting that the people who haven't been vouched for also haven't vouched for anyone with the one exception of dubb vouching for Izulde.

No problem. Backing down.

I'm not making any accusations here, just showing the facts.

Blade, are you 100% sure that I am good? Or are you taking some assumptions?

the facts make the accusations for themselves.

and it's difficult as a common londoner whose attempt to visit a prostitute was busted to be able to vouch for anyone, except for weds and DC who were there and witnessed the busting.

I have never vouched 100% for RA, just said i trusted him. Its a big difference, if you want the true facts

Dubb is in the exact same boat as you, so dont get too worked up over it

i don't like being in a boat i don't belong in

No, the facts make the facts. Your interpretation of the facts make the accusations.

And visiting a prostitute doesn't mean that they will be able to vouch for you either -- neither hoops nor Barkeep could with me.

But I didn't put that together to accuse you. You do seem a bit defensive though.

Whats so bad about that boat, besides the fact 1 of your 3 boatmates is mr. hyde? Besides, who doesn't like boats?

DT, you belong in the boat until you can be conclusively cleared. And that, for me, will happen when i scan you(which quite frankly isnt a priority of mine for the time being). I dont trust some path has as vouched, so its all opinions.

DT, if it makes you feel better you are much less likely to be a night kill by virtue of your "boat".

I totally want that. So to revise:

Barkeep -- vouched for by bulletsponge, path, hoops, RA and Swaggs.
Blade -- vouched for by MrW and RA.
bulletsponge -- vouched for by Barkeep.
path12 -- vouched for by bulletsponge and RA.
st.cronin -- vouched for by RA.
hoopsguy -- vouched for by path, MrW, AlanT, Barkeep and RA.
Dodgerchick -- vouched for by Izulde.
Raiders Army -- vouched for by st.cronin.
Swaggs -- vouched for by Blade.
Izulde -- vouched for by Fouts, MrW, dubb, and Dodgerchick.

That leaves the following as not having been 100% vouched for by anyone:
DaddyTorgo
saldana
LoneStarGirl
dubb93

100% sure your good, and will vouch for that fact as of when we talked last night. If you somehow got converted from when i talked to you, then you talked to the 3rd party who i tend to trust, then got arrested, id be suprised.

I tried to keep the opinion ones out of there. Barring mistakes on my part, these have all been stated as certainties. So if some of these are proved wrong down the road, it will be interesting to refer back to the list (unless you want to take conversions into account of course).

Swaggs, out of curiosity, can you clear Blade? Not do you trust Blade, but, from your interactions last night, do you know he's on the side of good?

dola

Did Mr. W actually ever do anything? Are his actions known? I know he was the night watchman, but he never actually gave a "true" account of his movements, and what he might have done, right?

Nope, we know he found the body on Night 1. At some point he must have interacted with Blade based on his vouch. But there is no explicit account for what he did.

As I was going back through everything, he kept a lot of what he knew close to his vest and just made one definitive post where he gave the people he had complete trust in (I didn't note individual posts or anything so that's just recollection).

He was busy at night, but if your asking if he achieved any success...id say not in the conventional sense. In the abstract sense, his information gaining and subsequent trust of me allowed you all to help me lynch hyde today.

Alright then. I will add one more thing that I was afraid would make me look suspicious, then.

I bid 8 shilling on the urchin on Day 2 and won. However, I did not read my role description very clearly and forgot to clarify what I wanted him to do--whether to scout an area or follow someone--so the note I received told me to make that decision for the following night (CR asked me to clarify via PM, but I did not get it until after the morning deadline, as I had gone to bed).

I chose to have my urchin follow LSG (with st. cronin being my backup in the case that she was killed). I was, of course, arrested last night, so I did not get to receive a report.

However, I know suspect that Schmidty may have been my urchin, since he was killed outside LSG's flat.

know = now in that last paragraph.

No--I cannot say for certain that Blade is on the side of good.

Cronin, if you want to pull teeth i dont think even mr. w or RA can 100% clear me...both just trust me/trusted me...look at RAs play today in regards to me.

No one in this game can vouch for me right now, it sucks but such is. Im not going to whine about it like dt ;)

Muhaha...in the middle of the night, and no one here to see me do the write up! :)

Wow, what a long night it's been. I didn't end up getting home until 12:45 a.m. or so. I have been spending the past hour or more catching up and doing other tasks.

I am tabulating the final votes now and will have the write up up shortly (although it doesn't seem there is much doubt as to the results...).

Sorry for even doubting you, Blade ole buddy! Swaggs is still in jail correct?

Hmm... guess I was wrong. Did anyone submit for a PM because I didn't receive one.

gg all, see you in the post game

Kudos to Blade and LSG for helping us get Saldana today.

I'm guessing we don't want to have too much discussion about trust/roles during the night phase.

I'm very tempted to announce what district I'll be visiting. I would be interested in discussing pros/cons of doing this. Here is how I see them.

Pros:
- if a bad guy wants to come kill me, I'm less of a loss than others in the game, particularly with two other prostitutes still out there
- if a good guy wants to come see me there is a chance I can clear them

Cons:
- if I live through the night I'm much less likely to see any activity that can be tied to a kill. In other words, if the bad guys don't look me up then they are unlikely to kill in my area of town.

Hoops, I didn't realize prosties picked a district. Wouldn't it make sense for all of them to pick one district? That way they are either safe from harm, or else if anything does happen, there's a chance it will be witnessed.

There may even be a way amongst yourselves to announce which district, without giving it up to the bad guys. Some sort of code, or something.

Well hoops we could coordinate. Maybe get Izulde in on the act. We could cover 3 of the 4 districts that way.

I confess the game mechanics baffle me, but my guess is that spreading yourselves out would be a disaster. Staying together would be much smarter.

Except that bystanders seem to pick up things. If we wanted to ensure our safety, I would agree that staying together makes sense. But if we want to try and maximize our potential of getting information spreading out would seem to be the way to go. I'm fine either way or with not coordinating at all. I'm just excited for there to be some discussion today as I was fearful that I would be sitting bored at work.

The prostitutes are pretty much the only people everybody trusts. So, ensuring their safety is no small thing.

Also, IF a prostie has been converted, making sure you are all in the same district might bring that information to light.

If a prostitute has been converted I'd imagine a john did it behind closed doors. I'd be curious about what others think about the spread/out stay together thought. Hoops, I'm thinking that the two of us could easily coordinate just by agreeing to go to one of the places we've already seen each other.

I'm fine with staying in the same district if people think that is the way to go. I think it creates an interesting dynamic:

- all the prostitutes in one district
- all the people looking to be cleared visit that district
- killer(s) visits other districts
- players with roles who are not necessarily concerned with being cleared (or can't visit a prostitute) visit other districts

So we reduce the chance from 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 for our specials to find a bad guy, while giving the vanilla villagers a higher chance to clear themselves. Granted there is no guarantee that we get info that clears (I'm 0-2 in this department) but I think this is a pretty viable strategy.

I may be making some wrong assumptions about the villager mechanics; if so I would encourage people to jump in and help shape the discussion.

I like it. I think it's good.

Well one of our specials might also want to get cleared. I guess I'm seeing the logic of a hoarding the whores together. Would be curious about what others think when they wake up.

I swear guys, I'm not blonde. I forgot there wasn't a night write-up and when I read saldana getting killed, for some reason I thought it was the morning action... disregard this comment :o

I'm down with the plan but... well, I'm not sure I should even share this because I already submitted my PM, but, what the heck... doesn't seem like I'm very trusted anyway. I submitted my PM and asked for a random location (first time I've done this; the other times I actually chose my districts).

Can I resubmit my PM and chose a location? Maybe I should have asked this question in a PM, but, oh well :confused:

I too have submitted a PM, but saw nothing in the rules stating that we couldn't change our minds. Unless stated ahead of time, GMs seem to be understanding about this sort of hting.

My only question is this: If everyone goes to the same district, why would we think that the killers wouldn't go to the same place and pick off whomever they please? The rules do state that there are plenty of dark alleys/hiding places in each of the locations, so I don't think it's a given that any attack would be automatically seen.

I've only got about 30 minutes before I'll be gone for the day, so I'll have to send in a PM by then with whatever the consensus is.

Ill toss this idea out there...even if you all patrol the same district, the killer can catch someone leaving or returning to their house from the district your all in. Then, no one would have any chance of seeing it. I worry my death tonight will go unnoticed with this plan

Are you that certain that there are no bodyguard type roles left in the game?

Well, what do you suggest?

None that i know, besides the person putting people in prison. I suppose i could be arrested and hope i get arrested before the killer comes but after i complete my scan.

Other then that i dont know any roles that can protect me.


Im seriously considering that, and i know who to ask...does anyone like that idea?

Go about normal business, really have 3 hookers in 3 districts. Allow the killers to work, as we have a better chance of catching them if their out killing then if they simply sit in or visit a hooker. It sounds bad, but id much rather they kill then not

I had thought that maybe the Watson role could have a bodyguard component to it, but of course have no idea one way ot the other.

I have no problem with the arrest idea, but would that preclude you using whatever ability it is that you have?

Though it would be hard to use your ability if you were dead also.

Last night swaggs was arrested after i talked to him, so thats the only reason i think its a good idea

I'm fine with it then. You could still talk if you found something out.

But that doesn't really argue against the plan. Just suggests a flaw.

You're right. That does sound bad.

And now I think it should be clear to everybody that you have your own agenda. The only question in my mind is whether you are a freemason or Moriarity.

Does anybody have any thoughts on what Moriarity's win conditions might be?

I agree that seems to be what this post indicates. I am waiting to hear more from Blade before saying more.

Here's the thing. The hooker plan does not say everyone should go to the specific district. Merely that the hookers, and those who wish the hooker's services, do so. There might be numerous other roles who would benefit from not going to that district. I would not automatically suggest that those who frequent a different district were doing something nefarious. Simply that they didn't want a hooker.

Avoid holmes and evil wins for a major victory. Just evade holmes for minor.

Yes, because giving up saldana and helping get lathum helps that victory condition, and all my hinting certainly helps me avoid the eye of holmes if im moriarty :rolleyes:

Cronin, im becoming more and more sure your not playing for the home team...

Mason rather than Moriarty it would seem, since he did give us Saldana and was involved with breaking Lathum's story. It certainly would also explain his preoccupation with his own demise per the role description.

Barkeep, you still dont trust me from night 2. I delievered you saldana, and im telling you it is easier for them to be caught if they keep killing. If they sit in every night it will be much harder, or worse they visit prostitutes and earn some trust.

If you had a key role, wouldnt you try to stay alive? Especially when your best ally in game died last night(mr. w)?

If I had a key role and I was worried about my demise, I might try not broadcasting the entire game that I had a key role. But that's just me.

Sorry, I meant to be asking about the Masons win conditions.

No I don't trust you because your information has been wrong and you've been insisiting "trust me, trust me". It is SO clear you have an important role. You've made that as obvious as can be. So what benefit are you getting my keeping the specifics quiet?

Blade, when I laid out the plan I was not demanding that everyone go to visit the prostitutes in the designated district. Special roles probably have a better use for their powers, but the ordinary villagers are giving themselves a chance to be cleared by increasing their chances to find a prostitute.

As an added wrinkle, we could agree to go to the district with the opium den, in hopes that we are able to observe people going/coming from there if that is how they would rather spend their money.

I'm not married to this idea, but I do think there are more positives than negatives associated with it. What I don't want to see happen is that someone bypasses the selected district, lives through the night, and claims on Day 5 that they are an ordinary Londoner.

But he's been broadcasting this for a couple days now. Seems to me that the low key approach he used when being the bodyguard in the football game is long out the door, and instead he just just state what he knows.

That's what I said, I think.

So, I've got to send a PM in the next few minutes. Should I just make my best guess or do something else entirely? I am in the mood tonight.

In the rules it seems to say simply surivive, regardless of whether good or evil wins.

But if i was a mason, certain people like mr. w who trusted me wouldnt have. They knew my role, and it wasnt a mason

Blade you haven't responded to the idea that since you've already said you have a major role there is little lost in stating what your actual role is.

Barkeep, much like you i take different approaches to different games...that had its uses in that game, and in this game i feel me being frank is more useful for the time being.

If you want me to reveal, ill do it during day phase(if the circumstances dictate it)...were in a night phase and the bad guys can change their orders through tonight. I dont see a reason to give them more info...barkeep, you and cronin seem to be playing very similar games...maybe were looking in the wrong place for the masons

OK, gotta run. Hope to hook up with one of you fine ladies later.

This is very much what I'm thinking. Prostitutes and those who want to be cleared convene. Everybody else do what they want to do.

OK, I'll make this easy. I'm going to be heading to the district with the opium den - I believe that is Whitechapel? Others can come join me if they are so inclined. Or they can disperse and that is fine too. I hope to have some company tonight and I hope to be around tomorrow to tell people what I learned.

We can continue the discussion about prostitute accumulation, but this at least lets Path know where he is guaranteed a hook-up if that is what he is looking to do tonight.

This is not in the best interest of the side of good. By doing this, not only my role but the others with roles will be left helpless. I cant visit a hooker, and if all but 4 people visit the hookers(and i think we have established bad guys can do villager actions) then the bad guys will know the roles we have left, which we cant afford to lose. Not just me, but others..i know i cant visit a prostitute, so id imagine the other roled players cant. Do you want to really make it that easy on the bad guys?

Here's the thing. Several players I consider smart, at the moment path and cronin, but I think hoops has said the same thing, all can't figure out what good it is to keep the details secret when you have so obviously broadcast how important you are.