If we didn't lynch tonight, i believe we might have lost this game.... im with you daddy and tyrnth

Mr. W moved off Tyrith onto Ntn, not off Thomkal. Looks like he still gets lynched.

the 2nd didn't say that he knew my occupation but not allegience

i can't really see how occupation would be useful to know in most cases though, which is why i figured it was part of something greater

Folks, would you verify that I have no majority vote this evening - with 17 people we need nine to vot esomeone, and I have 8 as the most on someone. Is this verified?

Gram, you moved your vote off Thomkal. THAT cost us the lynch.

Without a doubt, I would have looked at Schmidty.

Yes, I have 8 on Thomkal.

To be honest? In a game with likely conversions and multiple sides I likely would pick veterans who are going to be around longer. I wouldn't have picked Blade or Saldana or St.Cronin or such the first few days.

I think Schmidty and mr.W are fine choices. Jonathan I'm not sure I would have scanned, but Schmidty and Mr.W are about as on the mark as I could get if I was a seer. Perhaps my third would have been Swaggs.

You know maybe Blade was right, maybe I was completely steering people the wrong way because up until tonight I was believing Tyrith and Lonestargirl.. but after this move.. this just doesn't add up. Those two are immediate top suspects for me.

Torgo, you've mentioned someone discussing your occupation multiple times. Is this within the thread (in plain sight, but somehow on the QT so it wasn't obvious to us), or was it someone who had a private line of communication?

yah i got 8

within the thread, in plain sight but on the QT (although apparently obvious to some...alan said he saw it for example and i have to believe blade did too)

I cannot freaking believe this. If you think that Thomkal isn't the seer why aren't you looking at _blade_ considering all the games that bad guys have role scanning abilities? Is anyone here actually taking the time to think about the arguments I was making or are we going back to living inside the box, "no, we can never lynch the seer!" I hope no one has a hunter ability tonight because if they use it to kill me we're REALLY freaking screwed if they have the nasty kill themself drawback.

Don't base your opinion on how Alan would play the seer. I'm playing it the way I thought I should. You know just like crazy Blade was on day 1.

I would agree that Schmidty and Mr. Wed make sense. Schmidty basically said that he is important. Makes sense to know which side. Mr. Wed made AlanT suspicious, so he could have made others suspicious too. Jonathan? Not sure about that one, though he did come out a bit strong in the beginning.

I think thomkal put that list out to signal to the other black faction to back him.

I reread it all, but I caught hints that were referred to as "crazy talk" that I paid attention to. I'm not going to single them out, but if you read the whole thing really fast, it seemed obvious to me.

Simply put.. as much as I would love to chase Blade for this, he pushed for Thomkal pre-reveal and in my quick reading he did not appear to be here for the reveal. I can't say what Blade would have done based on the reveal, but I did see you and LSG pushing to try to lynch someone claiming to be the seer.

Why would the other black faction back him if he was bad? They need to take each other out.

If that is the case then Thomkal put all that together really fast.

Not really. He just came up with some names of people that the real seer might not be able to immediately disprove. Even Schmidty would likely have died last night and could very well of not been a seer target. He didn't give us any specifics about his role PM. He really never responded to anything.

You say it was worth killing the seer to prove he is the seer. Likewise would you then say its worth the seer outing themselves and risking death to prove Thomkal is not the seer? I'm guessing we'll find out one way or another about Thomkal in the next day or two. Usually by day 5 the seer would come out with a CoT of good guys even if they hadn't hit a bad guy yet anyways.

Maybe I'm too jaded here, but I have a hard time swallowing the idea of killing the seer just to prove he is the seer. That just screams wolf to me.

The two dark sides want to narrow down the field of the light side. So thomkal knew he was in trouble and decided to call on the other faction to help him. He picked three names out of the hat or people he suspected to be good, and once he said they were good they would switch their vote off of him. I mean, any good seer would have scanned Blade or Alan after their pissing match the other day, but he didn't scan either. Instead he scanned jonathan? Doesn't that seem weird? And what are the chances that all three people he scanned are alive on day three? Alan how could you not see this? Blade would have without coaching!

Let me put it this way. What good does us to have him alive? There are so many good reasons for them to not kill him tonight. Tomorrow we're going to be running around like chickens with our heads cut off. You're probably going to spend a lot of time looking at me, and if you kill me we're even deeper in the hole. We have absolutely no idea if we can trust Thomkal or not. If he's bad, we've given him the chance to magically scan for a wolf tonight, who could very well be killed tomorrow, causing more confusion. At least if Thomkal was dead now we would know where the crap we would stand!

I can't believe you're putting it past blade to have done this all on purpose, including leaving. No matter what he created a giant mess with our lynch. The bad guys could very well know about the seer part. There are tons of scenarios where they're just trading a bad guy for time, a seer, or there are bad guys working together to waste our time and stall us out. To assume that the people that instigated this entire mess are innocent while blade isn't is crazy. And if you say, "Hey, Tyrith and blade could have been in it together," then I give you this -- sure, go ahead and kill me. You'll see how I turn up. Then kill him...even though it could very well be too late.

I can't say I am too disappointed. If it is a false reveal, he played it off with NO fear. I can't see him knowing the other faction of darkness to pull something like LSG suggests off.

looks like the bad guys are scheming together instead of posting huh

I have had seer roles in the past, and I have scanned Blade and Alan after their fights. I have also seen each of them die the day after I scan them which left me a seer with no information. Since then I have gone with a strategy of scanning more UTR people just so I have into on people that are alive later. In the RE game, I actually was the seer and had most of my views alive on day 5 or 6.

he doesn't need to know the other faction of darkness. he pulled three names out of his butt and hoped to land one on the side of light. He got one with mr wednesday because as soon as mr wed saw tyrnth say he was good, he switched immediatly.

If it was a false reveal he had absolutely nothing to lose. He was going to die anyway. It was a move with absolutely no downside if he was a bad guy that just got randomly piled on.

So you are saying we shouldn't believe Thomkal yet we should still kill Blade?

That sounds now like blame shifting to me.

The benefit to not killing Thomkal at lynch is, the bad guys now have a choice.

they can either keep thomkal alive to try to frame him to make people not believe him allowing him more time to scan people while alive... or they waste a night action killing him rather than us doing their work for them.

Worst case scenerio, if Thomkal is a bad guy who did a fake reveal, we now have more time to allow the real seer to out him if they so choose to. Until then there are more than enough people to choose as lynch targets to avoid the ones that thomkal cleared.

Yes I know Mr.W was on my suspect list, but I'm willing to not consider him anymore at least until this is proven one way or another.

ouch. i literally have a headache from the possibilities and permutations of this now

Anxiety, why are we not playing this weekend?

I'm going to be scheming for a bit with all my other bad guy buddies as I put together a post recap for today. I had it updated until I had to leave earlier so might take me a bit. I might be quiet for a bit, but I'll be back :)

I won't be available.

We could have proven all this one way or another tonight instead of having to hope that things break our way tomorrow. What if Schmidty's "big role" is that he's our seer and he dies tonight? What if someone with a hunter decides to do something tonight? What happens when the bad guys make their next move? We have dug ourselves such a massive information hole tonight when we had a perfectly good, unused lynch we could have used to start figuring things out.

lol @ Alan

I see what you are saying, I have given more trust to someone because they thought Iwas the good guy that I was. I will probably be used to my ill because of that one game. (I kinda was in the Tombstone game :) )

Alant, ive already said that i think you are good... dont get your panties in a wad.

Schmidty, if you are the seer like people suspect, i hope you scan thomkal tonight.

Schmidty, if you're the seer like people suspect, I hope you LIVE through tonight.

Blade...thoughts?

Blade is here, let the fireworks begin

We had the lynch...and you let it slip away...

From all i cant tell, since alan said he didnt know what i would have done, tthe guy about to be lynched pulled a fake role reveal out of his ass to avoid being lynched, and likely draw the real seer out to. I am thankful as hell the real one didnt, as 1-1 is not worth it.

That being said, as the seer i cant remember many games where all of my targets were alive this late in the game. I think he took the group of swing voters, which it seems to me to be the group he claims to have scanned, and said they were good in hopes they would not lynch him. And it worked, thanks to grammats swap and Mr. Wednesday and his 14,000 swaps.

Stunned, flat out...dissapointed, yet i think we learned much today. People like Alan T, Sublime, who wouldnt vote for him have shown their true colors today. I might die tonight, so remember my words. The path has been shown to you all i believe, and i hope you dont let it slip away again.

No, if schmidty is the seer he needs to avoid Thomkal. Thomkal will be dead soon if good, and dead soon if bad.

I would have been tempted to scan Johnathan myself on night one. I think the Alan and Blade show has gone through a couple of rounds and both have been good before doing that, so that would not have ratched them up on my scope neccesarily.

BS, Schmitdy was talked about because he strongly hinted at having a good role. The fact you make no mention of this means your lying....im stunned you got away

Blade you took the words out of my mouth

I'm glad someone agrees with me.

crazy. damm, this has given me a hell of a headache

I am right there with you DT

Since you claim your the seer, i need your name, your role in our village(we all have one) and exactly what powers you claim to have. I will have to be heavily convinced, and so far all ive heared from you is

1.Im the seer
2.I scanned Johnathan, Mr. W, Schmidty
3.I only learn good or bad(which is odd with 3 sides to this game)

you could say 4 sides even Blade, but that just strengthens your point, ithink.

Just got back, and I have to say that I am VERY disappointed in the last second switch, and the lack of a lynch.

As far as what my role is, I won't say, but I will say that I'm pretty sure I'll be ok tonight. The big question is, who else is going to be ok.

Today's vote log:

(8) Thomkal - Swaggs (1466), Blade (1467), Daddy Torgo (1469), ntndeacon (1470), Izulde (1475), Tyrith (1478), BrianD (1512), Lonestargirl (1515)
(6) Ntndeacon - Alan (1247), Jonathan Ezarik (1248), Schmidty (1340), Thomkal (1392), Grammaticus (1558), Mr.Wednesday (1573)
(2) Izulde - Spleen (1377), Sublime (1445)
(2) Mr.Wednesday - Dodgerchick (1274)


(1185) lonestargirl votes izulde (1)
(1202) Spleen votes Tyrith (1)
(1207) Blade votes Sublime (1)
(1236) Tyrith votes Sublime (2)
(1237) Izulde votes Lonestargirl (1)
(1247) Alan votes ntndeacon (1)
(1248) Jonathan Ezarik votes ntndeacon (2)
(1258) Swaggs votes Daddy TOrgo (1)
(1264) Dodgerchick votes Schmidty (1)
(1274) Dodgerchick UNVOTES Schmidty (0) ***
(1274) Dodgerchick votes Mr.Wednesday (1)
(1286) Tyrith UNVOTES Sublime (0) ***
(1331) Grammaticus votes Lonestargirl (2)
(1336) Brian votes Izulde (2)
(1340) Schmidty votes Ntndeacon (3)
(1341) Tyrith votes Mr.Wednesday (2)
(1347) Blade UNVOTES Sublime (0) ***
(1347) Blade votes Izulde (3)
(1348) Tyrith UNVOTES Mr.wednesday (1) ***
(1348) Tyrith votes Izulde (4)
(1364) Mr.wednesday votes Ntndeacon (4)
(1372) Daddy Torgo votes ntndeacon (5)
(1376) Grammaticus UNVOTES Lonestargirl (1) ***
(1376) Grammaticus votes ntndeacon (6)
(1377) Spleen UNVOTES Tyrith (0) ***
(1377) Spleen votes Izulde (5)
(1379) Swaggs UNVOTES Daddy Torgo (0) ***
(1379) Swaggs votes Izulde (6)
(1392) Thomkal votes Ntndeacon (7)
(1418) Daddy Torgo UNVOTES Ntndeacon (6) ***
(1418) Daddy Torgo votes izulde (7)
(1422) Ntndeacon votes Izulde (8)
(1445) Sublime votes Izulde (9)
(1466) Swaggs UNVOTES Izulde (8) ***
(1466) Swaggs votes Thomkal (1)
(1467) Blade UNVOTES Izulde (7) ***
(1467) Blade votes Thomkal (2)
(1469) Daddy Torgo UNVOTES Izulde (6)***
(1469) Daddy Torgo Votes Thomkal (3)
(1470) Ntndeacon UNVOTES Izulde (5) ***
(1470) Ntndeacon votes thomkal (4)
(1475) izulde UNVOTES Lonestargirl (0) ***
(1475) Izulde votes thomkal (5)
(1477) Grammaticus UNVOTES Ntndeacon (5) ***
(1477) Grammaticus votes Thomkal (6)
(1478) Tyrith UNVOTES Izulde (4) ***
(1478) Tyrith votes Thomkal (7)
(1512) BrianD UNVOTES Izulde (3) ***
(1512) BrianD votes Thomkal (8)
(1515) Lonestargirl UNVOTES Izulde (2) ***
(1515) lonestargirl votes Thomkal (9)
(1531) Mr.Wednesday UNVOTES Ntndeacon (4) ***
(1531) Mr.Wednesday votes Thomkal (10)
(1536) Mr.Wednesday UNVOTES Thomkal (9) ***
(1536) Mr.Wednesday votes ntndeacon (5)
(1557) Mr.wednesday UNVOTES Ntndeacon (4) ***
(1557) Mr.Wednesday votes tyrith (1)
(1558) Grammaticus UNVOTES Thomkal (8) ***
(1558) Grammaticus votes Ntndeacon (5)
(1573) Mr.wednesday UNVOTES Tyrith (0) ***
(1573) Mr.wednesday votes ntndeacon (6)

Look at this guys, he picked 3 players he felt he could swing....he says so himself...he flat out lied

If he is the real seer, hes dead tonight. The only way good or bad he lives tonight is if he is in the faction with the every night kill. Even the other evil army will want him dead. So if hes here tomorrow, you have your answer about him.

Now, we get to dissect Mr. W, Alan, Sublime...maybe NTN, not sure...those were the key players on Thomkals side, and we may have just broken this game wide open

I meant more good, dark, nuetral then the actual factions. But yes, both prove a point

Well all I can say is we definitly seem to have sides drawn. Blade seems to be teaming up with Tyrith and Lonestargirl and his fate will lie with their's it appears.

Good or bad, we have battle lines drawn for the next few days.

I'd like to know who the Seer is as well. It's not me. If I knew who the Seer was, and had actual proof (such as Blade suggested), I could help that person stay in the darned (I hate the ban on foul language) game, so that we can win this thing.

No, my fate lies tied to thomkal

I have no idea if tyrith and LSG are good or bad, so dont group me with them. My fate, like was stated soo many times today is now intertwined with thomkal. And i will have him dead, if its the last thing i do. His death will either clear 4 people tomorrow, or 3 tonight if he is killed, or damn at least 3-4 tomorrow in the lynch. That is far more valuable then a heavily untrusted seer claiming who he scans everynight, becoming more untrusted by the second with every breathe he still breathes.

you seem content to be grouping me with people that I don't know anything about, so why can't I do the same? :)

If you want to, feel free. If thomkal comes up good, ill be happy to take them with me. If he comes up bad, i hope your ready to go down with your group as well

Group away my suddenly threatened friend

I don't feel threatened at all actually. Unlike you I don't know everyone's roles and allegiances so I guess it will be fun to find out who's right or wrong. :)

As much fun as it would be to get into round 5 here with you, I think I'm going to save my ulcers for the night and just hold off to see what the day brings tommorrow. :)

I'm sure we will be talking more tommorrow. :)

I doubt it highly, i dont have much to discuss with you. I have my suspect, i have him red-handed, and i have a pretty good idea of his teamates. Tomorrow will be rather anti-climactic for me id imagine after today, as it would take an act of god to get me to lynch someone else(or thomkal or my death tonight, those might prevent that from happening):)

Language, tsk tsk

So which is it? I'm on his team, or I'm a good guy who was easily swung?

I think they'd be crazy not to kill him, but the wolves don't always kill the guy I think is the obvious choice.

Well, you sure haven't broken it open with me. I've been around too many mistaken lynches of the seer to take a chance on it. I assure you, I had the interests of the village at heart. I'm not so sure about the people who held firm.

To start working on his friends, id love Mr. W to explain his actions. I can see why grammat did what he did, and ill discuss it tomorrow. But Mr. W not only swapped off, he then swapped like 4 more times back and forth between canidates like a game of pinball.

ummm how was I a key player on Thomkal's side

My initial move onto Thomkal came before I'd read his reveal. Once I read it, I moved off immediately. I went onto Tyrith because I was quite annoyed with how he was playing the reveal, and I'm still convinced that his approach and justification was wrong (although his move may yet prove to have been right). I went back to ntndeacon because it was clear that Tyrith wasn't going to draw votes and I wanted to give a late move off of Thomkal a chance of getting an actual lynch.

If your on his team you would be easily swung, and you were about as easy as it gets. You not only didnt ask him a single question about his role reveal before you swapped, you actually spent the time immediately after the role reveal attacking me and my credibility. You were by far his best friend today, make no mistake about it.

Your just settting it up to explain why you wont kill him tonight. Maybe because he is your teamate!

Do you really expect everyone to believe you after your actions in support of thomkal today? You should do what lathum did in football, and just accept the fact your ship is sinking.

I said not sure..i meant sublime, the player who was around to swap and didnt(and whose vote would have meant a lynch for us)

:confused:

I guess I'm being ridiculously dense, but the only person I was grilling was Torgo.

ay yayy yayyy

my head hurts. i'm observing but i literally have a pounding headache.

I'll expect an apology when it's shown that you're mistaken.

You went from NTN to thomkal, thomkal to NTN, NTN to tyrith, then tyrith back to NTN. You skipped part 2.

You were setting it up for a swap from the get to. You swapped your vote 1 minute after you swapped to thomkal(ironicaly almost the same time thomkal comes in a makes him claims). This is what you say:


Note the bold part in the reasoning, you were setting it up to change from the get go...you just had to wait for your partner to make his claims.

I understand the lack of trust on me by some folks by my not posting a lot early. I have a way to overcome that animosity I would imagine in some of my fellow Breeians minds.

Page 31, the page with the reveal and your voting maze...look at your posts. Besides the votes, and before the reveal, all posts on that page are in response to me and are against ideas i posted. Now, they werent attacking i noticed, so i apologize for word choice. But grilling torgo is not what i see around the thomkal reveal.

If it weren't for Anxiety's strictures about language, I would have a colorful term for my opinion of your reasoning.

NTN, i voted for izulde becuase i think your good. They think your too quiet, and after you worked with Alan and i to reach victory in football i know this is just how you play. What should throw up a flag is that Alan cant seem to remember that when he votes you.

And i would have colorful term for how pulled the rug out from under us today

When thomkal comes up good i will apologize, you have a written promise from me

Well I hoped we might get early results tonight, but I can't stay awake any longer. I'm sure I won't be waking up in the game, so good luck to the good side.

No, the apology is for impugning me, not Thomkal. I think it's a reasonable (not necessarily probable, but reasonable) possibility that you're right about Thomkal.

Anyway, about the whole me arguing with you bit...


This is supposed to be "Besides the votes, and before the reveal, all posts on that page are in response to me and are against ideas i posted"?

I mean, factually, you're right, but the implication that I was somehow at odds with you is absurd.

I have some idea of something else that might be hinted at.

Anyway, forget the whole apology thing, I was a little hot under the collar. Sooner or later, you'll see that I'm on the side of light and the villagers. Hopefully later, not sooner.

Ill gladly die tonight if it will aid the village. I have no powers with which to help, only my instincts, and those are well documented now. If my death will help thomkal get lynched, then i hope i die tonight

Even if everybody pm'd me their night actions, I would still to around 3:30 am in case people wanted to changed. There will be no early night processes.

no sense in me staying up then

Yup, im off to bed...cheers yall

This is a very dangerous assumption. It means that if he's good they could let him live through tonight and use it to screw with us tomorrow.

Hopefully they will learn of my UTR style as well :)

that was my worry when i read it too.

Very dangerous, but so was the swap onto him in the first place. You have to take big risks to get big rewards..granted, its certainly a ploy they could use if hes good. I was convinced before all the late drama, and after? i dont have a doubt in my mind. So i have a hard time seeing him being good and being set up by the wolves as an option with how set on him being bad i am

I don't discount the idea totally, but if I were making the decision there, I would think that the negatives of that strategy would outweigh the positives.

(Obviously, I have incomplete information in that I don't know the sides of any of the other major players besides myself, and I could imagine that playing into it as well.)

Any weirder than claiming that he did scan me? I didn't vote for him, so what good does it do him to come out saying that he scanned me and I'm good? It's not like he could convince me to change my vote against him.

Now that is a very interesting point.

Why do you need this information? What good does his name and role do you?

The drama. The drama. The drama.

It definiteyl sucks that something like tonight happens when I can't change my vote.

so who got lynched tonight?

nevermind I see what happened now

no one. we failed by 1 vote to reach the necessary majority after Thomkal made a late reveal (questionable in thruthfullness) as our seer to save himself after blade, swaggs and i had led a late ( ~1 hour to deadline) switch onto him

dola

Thom's late reveal caused grammaticus and Mr. weds to switch off him and thus saved his neck.