Ha! So says the guy named after the Georgia Tech mascot.
:rolleyes:

Oh geez....you know, all this time I thought the graphics (textures, stadiums, playe rmodels, logos, etc.) Were done by David Winter himself. Now, he references some "artist".

Which means one thing. Those player models, logos, textures, stadium graphics, etc....he PAID someone for that work...let that sink in a for a moment. Someone actually was able to pass those models and textures off as professional work. Scary.

The serious answer: in the early days of electronics, you'd turn the device on. If it didn't smoke (or catch fire or anything bad like that), it passed the test.

For programmers, it means "I ran the app and it didn't crash". Very, very basic testing, no attempt to break it, use it much, or do much more than activate the feature for a second.

gotta love those yellow bees. :D

And yet again... this whole thread just wouldn't be nearly as entertaining without the blatant apologists.

So, oddly enough, thanks for doing your part!

The question then becomes--do they check every logo in the game provided by this "artist" (who seems like a pretty smooth operator if he got paid for his "work") or just assume that the Yellow Jacket was the only improper image there?

Hahaha. So, this guy thinks that all he needs to do is "Does it compile? Does it load up? Yes and yes. Another fine day's work."

I really hope he does deeper into his programming style. This is priceless.

"Bee" is short for Bulldog? I'm so out of the loop. *sigh*

They better pay up for that Pumpy Face Pack if it's in there.

Nearly word for word my intended response. And we know the answer, I'm sure.

The answer to what they should do and what Daivd Winter will do are two different answers I suspect.

(They should just throw out every logo provdied by this "artist" and get new ones)

Good lord, sir...think of the BOX ART! Have you gone mad?

So, do you guys think the box art has a picture of John Madden holding a football, or John Madden holding a clipboard?

Oh shit! I forgot about the box art!! How the hell could forget about the box art!?!?

Ive seen some of the other logos and I don't find anything objectionable....

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

that (non)Steelers logo is funny. good one.

Speaking of box art... incase anyone hasn't seen MF's box....

LOL

I think at this point I'd pay Matrix $20 just for the laughs I've gotten from this thread alone. I've spent more time in this thread than watching 2-3 movies I'd say, and I've definately gotten more laughs than in the theater!

I've heard that the turducken customization piece is working fine. You can have anywhere from one to 73 legs on the beast to give out as prizes for the players of the game on Thanksgiving day. However, I think the calendar is messed up because Thanksgiving appears to always be on the second Monday in October...

Unbelievable thread and we are barely into this year. This thread will surpass the reference thread for sure because that game won't be released until Mid March.

If people stop pointing out the bugs in the video and screenshots, we can actually see a release and the madness that will ensue when people actually buy it.

I am by no means defending him in this train-wreck. But smoke-tests are pretty standard procedure. The standard procedure would be to run tests on his development machine while developing. If that looks good, then it gets built on a "clean" build machine. He would then quickly try that build out to make sure that it runs. The testers would then be given that build to test extensively. Nothing he said is out of the ordinary.

Assuming that this IS a recent bug, it is understandable for David miss it during his testing. However, I have doubts as to whether this is a recent bug.

And... recent bug or not, they are doing WAY, WAY, WAY too much development for this to be anywhere near release. Any software engineer knows that you have to freeze the code long before it is ready for release. I seriously doubt they have any formal regression testing.

but but but...the game has gone gold?? diavid said so!

It's like Babe Ruth calling the home run!

This could be an awesome drinking game.

Everytime there is a spelling mistake....1 shot
Yardage bug.....1 shot
Logo infringment....2 shots
Etc,Etc

LOL!

But for some reason I thought that once Matrix games got a hold of it, there would be no more games with release dates. But now they have morphed into Wintervalley zombies bent on telling false promises and fabrications.

Someone else in this thread wondered if Matrix is going to take a hit for taking on this game. At first I thought that was a little far fetched, but now I don't know. While I am not sure how many of the buyers frequent the forums, they will not buy another Matrix game if Maximum Football is ever purchased. I seriously doubt he is going to be committed to squashing any bugs. Instead he will pretend those are features in the Maximum Football experience.

I found this looking for something witty.

The CFL Sock Museum

I hope the "artist" didn't steal any of these.

Or put the burden on you to fix/deal with it. The game crashes whenever a team scores over 50 points? Well, then design a ball-control offense and a strong defense and no one will ever score over 50 points.

Fast running backs can always make big yardage to the outside? Then make a playbook that keeps them running inside if you don't want unrealistic results.

Maximum customizability is not just a privilege. It is a responsbility.

What do you mean?
They reversed the image too.

This game might be worth buying for the spelling alone.

This thing is a nearly guaranteed train wreck.
Heck, they have never even tested the installer. They switched installers 2 weeks ago. Was this before or after "gold"?

It's been said many times but so, so true... "I do not think this means what you think it does".

And he put it inside a "C"! I just thought that might be too much for gstelmack. ;)

Work on your spelling and coherence a tad, and there's a place for you at the M-F forums.

So if there's no option, does that mean you can't pitch the ball at all?

Why hasn't SkyDog taken offense to this yet?

I think you're missing the reference.

After enjoying this thread for the past 33 pages I thought I'd post and rant a little.

I would say that if Matrix is using any copyrighted images in screenshots, since those are technically advertisements, that's breaking the law.

I'm an indie game developer, I've been following MF since it was first posted about on football-gaming.com 5 years ago, and I have to say that this will be a fucking trainwreck.

Virtually everything you can do wrong in releasing a game they've done it.

Multiple missed release dates spanning YEARS, the developer insulting other products, the developer getting pissy with customers, the developer's WIFE coming on the forums expecting the customers to feel sorry for a man creating a game to release to make money off of. I'm sorry but when you decide to charge for your game you're not longer in hobbyist territory, run with the big dogs or get the fuck out of the way. The developer has posted PUBLICLY that he almost quit on the project 2-3 times in the past month, you don't tell your customers that you idiot.

Actively working on the game code all the way up til release date. Uh, NO.

Showing videos and screenshots without screening them first for errors, bugs, or other things that may cast a negative reflection on the game. Completely bushleague.

Multiple other comments DW had no business making public.

Oh, and for those of you who don't know what happened with his CFL game. The way it was explained to me was that CFL '99 was released barely playable, DW got mad at all the negative criticism, promised a patch to fix all of the issues, then out of nowhere removed the game from the online store and labeled it as "SOLD OUT". Next thing you know he's working on a new game. Based on his posts I would doubt his maturity level has improved to the point to expect anything else this time around. Even if Matrix put into their publishing contract with him that he has to support the game for a certain amount of time, he can still release crap patches and find a way to wiggle out of it.

I've really tried to be supportive of DW through all the delays and missed release dates because I believe that Indie game dev's should support other indie's. As soon as he ripped the text sim guys that went out of the window. Pompous ass.

I'm just watching and shaking my head at all of this. I'm really hoping I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow to see another football game hit the market that is enjoyable to play. I think that's a pipe dream at this point, atleast for MF.

Matrix has come up with the perfect soulution:
"Maximum Football will be released early next."

got a linky for us FOFC gamers?

I was looking at a few of the other Matrix forums as I have generally really enjoyed their wargames. It seems that Maximum Football isn't the only trainwreck they're dealing with.

1stAnd10:

I think you may have just summarized this entire thread with one post.

I think Maximum Football is really a secret code passing system for terrorists. Its the only logical explanation for everything.

The down and distance system alone could be communicating troop movements.

Nonsense. He didn't even have a limerick.

Nor did he mention the Pumpy facepak.

This post had me crackin' up for five minutes! It reminds me of Coming to America and the Big Mic:
"We're not McDonald's, we're McDowells. They got the golden arches. I've got the golden arcs. They got the Big Mac. We got the Big Mic. We both have 2 all beef pattties, special sauce, but they have a sesame seed bun. Our buns have no seeds."

that's the greatest phrase thus far in here. bravo.

Maximum Football's Word of the Day

incomplete
· adj. not complete.
– DERIVATIVES incompletability n. incompletable adj. incompletely adv. incompleteness n. incompletion n.

Source: Concise Oxford Dictionary 10th Edition

RE: Policy on Licensed Uniforms/Leagues - 2/27/2006 6:10:57 PM
BaboonHeart Matrix Recruit Posts: 19 Joined: 2/23/2006 Status: online	I was not going to play Georgia Tech anyway so if you can just leave it in there we wont use it and you wont have any problems that way we can go ahead and play the game. I almost took off from school today fake sick but I only started to cough a little to set it all up and now that I am home for lunch it looks like I was right about not being sick, so I will just wait to get sick to play and will keep checking when I can go buy it. (in reply to David Winter)
Post #: 26

:D

LOL! That's just so mean on so many different levels. :D

It was little known, but JFK was a big supporter of indie game developers.

Looking at the videos again, it's curious how the center seems to be blocking the MLB 4 yards up from the LOS on every running play. He did it in the earlier video, then again in all 3 running plays on the more recent one - even on the final play, where the right guard pulls and he should be picking up the DT that's left unblocked.

This is like noting that the china patterns on the dishes used in the dining room of the Titanic slightly clashed with the pattern used in the drawing room.1




1Which is not at all to say that I don't think that you have really good insights into the game of football. It's just that right now, the developer literally can't spell his own name. LITERALLY CAN'T SPELL HIS OWN NAME. The nuances of interior line play may be several orders of magnitude too much for Maximum Football at this stage. Maybe it will be in MF2.

LMAO...

Man, this is the best thread ever!

Can someone do a quick summery on this thread? I mean, I've been gone for nine days and this thread goes from a potentially good thread to possibly the thread of the decade.

Oh, and does this mean war? Someone is claiming we're god's gift. (Of course we are, but that has got to be Dolamite or something)http://www.blindsideblitz.com/forums...ad.php?t=14407

I see the likes of Dean Houston, Hornsmaniac and Wig over at the Maxim Football Forum, is the world coming to an end or something?

Not only God's gift to earth but...



Nice post Deft :rolleyes:

There needs to be more than 10 posts for it to be considered a war. JeeberD makes more than 10 posts between the time he hits the snooze button on the alarm clock and brushes his teeth.

Not sure what that means for his oral hygeine though.

Shit, he's right.

Oh wait, I had that Thong Thread on the OOTP Boards, so HAHA.

Sorry I don't have a link to a website yet. I've been doing game development for about 8 months now so going by DW's standard I've still got 4 years and 4 months before I need to post a link.

And I agree I don't have a limerick. Matter of fact I'm not even Irish.

Apparently so. I do it everyday, I just didn't know it had a name. :D

It seems rather sad that this thread should have so much while other threads go to bed hungry at night.

How many threads about Africa and South America won't have posts or views tonight while these posts in this thread get put up?

Get some variety, morons.

Just a general perusal of the forums leads me to believe that this game is a version of FPS Football Pro '98 with all of the utilities installed. I wonder if this guy is waiting until the utilities become freeware and then "packages" them into Maximum Football, labeling it a new game?

.

One day people will ask each other "What were you doing the day the Maximum Football thread hit 40 pages?".

This guy 1stand10 has jumped up ahead of sooo many old timers. 3 posts and he is one of us...only better!

Nice to see you on the board!

I about fell out of my chair after I saw this! :D

Wow...there are some real winners over on the Max football boards.

There's a couple guys that still don't understand the down/yardage bug. My wife, who knows absolutely nothing about football understood it when I showed it to her (after she asked what I was laughing about on the computer). :D

OK, I had quite a bit of fun seeking out more of the logos in MF, so Idid some more digging and found these...I still don't see what the problem is...

It has been mentioned that several posters over at the Matrix board seem to have a high regard for the Idiot's Guide to Football. Could explain a few things.

That had me crying uncontrollably......in laughter.

You know, if you are going to create a login just to post in this thread, the least you could have done is stuck with the theme and called youself 1stAnd10or11or12

Good freaking job. This thread is going to become a classic.

Anybody want to bet that this thread is 10x more entertaining than MF will?

This just in! :eek:

Matrix Games signs exclusive CFL deal

Associated Press
Updated: 9:09 p.m. ET Feb. 28, 2006

NEW YORK - Matrix Games shares surged to an all-time high in Tuesday trading, a day after the top Canadian video-game developer Daivd Winter said he had scored exclusive licensing deals with the Canadian Football League and its players' association.

The agreements give Matrix Games, publisher of the soon-to-be-release "Maximum Football" and "Maximum Football 2," exclusive rights to use CFL teams, stadiums and players in its football video games from 2005 until 2009, hopefully in time for "Maximum Football's" release.

More importantly, the pact lets Daivd Winters break away from other players in the intensely competitive indie-American/Canadian Football game arena. That includes one of the company's chief rivals, solecismic Software, whose "Front Office Football" title, a shameful text sim lacking any of the jaw-dropping 3d graphics Maximum Football promises to deliver.

In recent trading, shares of Matrix Games jumped 0.0001 percent, or $0.03, to $0.18 on nearly 33.7% of its average volume, shooting past a record high of $0.17.

"This contract should allow Daivd Winters to eliminate competition in the pro Canadian football category, hold premium pricing next year and raise prices for the next indie-Canadian football game cycle," Pacific Crest Securities analyst Evan Wilson wrote in a research note.

Although Matrix Games did not disclose financial terms of its deal, Wilson said it is "likely" that Matrix has doubled its royalty payment to the CFL from an estimated 0.1 percent of net revenue, or around enough money to purchase a small cheeseburger meal for the CFL board of directors.

Daivd Winters could not be reached for an interview, but faxed in a written response announcing that he was "veyr happi wit who this deel developd. There has long bean a massif whole in the gayming sectar for Canadian football, and we feal we shuld slot nicely in this nishe market."

When I first saw that post about the bug I thought it was just the lack of intelligence of the posters over there but as I started watching the movie I was just without words, I mean you develop a game for 5 years and one of the most basic things about the game that you're making doesn't work?

I can't wait to watch this game reboot my PC when I try to print out stats. Start the dishwasher when I setup my playoff teams. It's gonna be fun for the whole family.

This is AWESOME!!!

You're absolutely right, I'll do better next time. Or maybe the time after that. Or the time after. Hell, eventually I'll do better.

Antmeister71

any chance for a song parody for Maximum Football and David Winters? :)

These are awesome. I especially like Ten, Den, and KC.

Ok, now that I'm calm and wiped the tears from my eyes, I want to see a whole set of these!! I love the KC one.

"Testing is ongoing all day and night."

The natives are starting to catch on over there:

yeah, even people in Jonestown started crying foul after awhile.

As a kid I loved the Cleveland 3's.

Okay now this is ridiculously funny.

indeed, now my wife is asking me why I'm laughing to tears. Explaining to her would be just too long... :D

FM

ouch!

You know I haven't pissed my pants sice I was about 2 1/2 years old.
Reading this post almost ended that 44 year streak :D
That's some funny shit.

He's gonna quit & give up. I can sense it.

If he quits and gives up, i'm thinking he quits and gives up ever producing a game again. Wifey may not allow that, since its been her life the last 3 years

what? Who the hell lets a woman work on a sports game?!

HAH! Kidding!