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Thanks for sharing Ben.
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This screenshot of the word "shithole" on CNN provided me way too much joy this morning.
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Hearing Rick Wilson say "I will gut you like a fish on this show" to the Trump supporter on Don Lemon made my night.
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Trump is arguing for an end to the American dream.
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It's the logical extension of the GOP's "Fuck you, I've got mine" policy. |
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Coming to the conclusion that this is the basic platform is really what moved me away from the party. I don't really feel like they want to improve anything, and if anyone else improves themselves they're just a risk of competition. They want people to have just enough as to not bitch or complain so they can live their own lives without having to think about or hear from anyone else. Anyone else should shut up, go to jail, leave the country, or die. |
That's quite a platform.
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Trump never clearly stated his immigration policy preferences and said publicly that he would sign whatever the congressional leaders brought to him. Now he's attacking the bipartisan compromise and saying he'd veto, again without clearly stating what he wants done.
Even for his GOP supporters, how do you work with this guy? |
Apparently he's decided to "fake news" his way out of his fuckup. It will work with the usual crowd, who likely don't care anyway and find it just great that we have a POTUS who "isn't afraid to say what we're all thinking."
I really hope there's some semblance of a Republican Party after all this has blown over. It's better for the nation to have multiple legitimate visions for policy and direction -- and this isn't one. |
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I did mean to say take the bright-and-brightest from any country assuming security concerns vetted, and was not implying to disregard continent of Africa or Haiti. On the lottery winners, I actually did not find any stats on how they are doing. I saw stats on countries they came from. I do think lottery winners have a certain level of education (e.g. the application process, reading about it in the internet etc.) but why not free up the 50K positions for foreigners that have come to the US and studied in US colleges for graduate degrees? It helps us and "hurts" our competition (e.g. China, Russia, EU etc.) |
What are all the ultra-conservative folks on my FB feed who have already defended his remarks as 100% accurate going to do if he walks it back as fake news now?
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Hey, they've signed up for this rodeo. Saddle up and hold on for your full eight seconds, snowflake. |
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Trump made it happen! Thank you!!!!! edit: Along the same lines, in the same mailer this is rather ironic in light of recent events: Quote:
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This is odd, given that he didn't say it.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/thomasfrank...9zZ#.xcpzYL3Gq |
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Amazing branding work. Now when you Google “Trump shithole” it’s not all reviews of his hotels. |
I wish less of our resources went to shithole states.
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Read this thread on Twitter. Thanks for posting it, Ben. |
WSJ reporting that Trump's lawyer arranged a payoff of a porn star a month before the election so she wouldn't go public with an affair she'd had with him a year after he married Melania
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-l...nce-1515787678 |
Fascinating. WSJ gets a scoop, and they want to publish it because news, but it hurts Republicans.
Rare example of a paper burying its own scoop with the pre-3-day-weekend release. |
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This story would have been much juicier had she actually gone ahead and run and gained election to the Senate. |
If the Dems are going to put Oprah Webfeet up as their candidate, I'm positive Trump will get re-elected.
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Oh, and if anyone had any sense that Trump would not submit to blackmail to keep embarrassing information from the public . . . |
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Does paying a porn star to cover up an he had even register as a scandal for Trump anymore?
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I forgot about that. She was going to primary David Vitter after his sex scandal, right? Also Greitens might be in bigger trouble than thought if the blackmail stuff pans out. Blackmail alleged as Governor Greitens admits to extramarital af - KMOV.com |
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And here I thought it was bears that were into anal, not wolves. |
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We already do that. F-1 international students can transition into H-1B status from an employer who hires them out of school. Trump is making this more difficult but it's something we do. Now I guess we can argue that we should only be bringing in highly educated people from other countries. But that would limit the choices to countries like Norway that have that infrastructure in place. Problem is that people from those countries don't want to come here. Norway has a higher quality of life so unless you're in a specialized profession only offered here (Hollywood for instance), you're not going to have much luck. After that, I'd think the next best plan is to bring in immigrants who will make the country better. People who will work hard and go to school to make something of themselves (and improve the country). Seems like those "shithole" countries were doing that at higher levels than Americans were which is a good thing. But this was never about the quality of immigrants being brought in. If it was he wouldn't trash immigrants from countries that significantly outperform Americans in this country. It was about the color of their skin. |
So NBC is using the term s-hole instead of the actual word, and it sounds like they are saying asshole. Might as well just say shithole.
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Except that I think "shithole" is a much more transgressive word than "asshole" in this context. People throw around the word asshole enough that it minimizes the reprehensible language. |
I'm just saying, if the purpose was to avoid swearing on TV, they failed. It's kinda funny actually. No way they didn't realize they were essentially trading one for the other.
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LOL, yeah, that probably wasn't thought through real well. |
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Yes, this does happen. But its not easy on the student to find a job within X days before they go out of status e.g. they don't have 6 months. In the 90's, there were a ton of bogus ads that these employers had to place (e.g. Computerworld) to supposedly ensure these H1-B were not taking US jobs. All I am saying is make it easier for the 'best-and-brightest' (regardless of national origin) to stay and increase the quota by 50K (or by whatever the supply is). We educated them, let's make it easier for them to stay and contribute to the US. |
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I'm really talking about the F1 students that come to the US and is educated here. I see them as the low-hanging fruit that benefits the US and helps us competitively and hurts the countries they are from (e.g. China). They have already shown an inclination to be in the US. Their families have shown the ability to support them financially. I'm sure many of them would want to stay. These are the "best-and-brightest" from their respective countries and if they can work in the US vs their respective countries, its a good thing for us competitively in the long run. The next thing I would focus on then are the professionals that we need. I'm not sure about Drs. but we definitely need Nurses. Open up the flood gates and provide some incentives to foreign Nurses (e.g. I think Philippines has alot of them) and you'll see a ton of migration. Sure they may need to get re-certified etc. but think that is easy enough to do. I do acknowledge that this process is unfair to others less fortunate. Oh, I would toss out dual citizenship. IMO it should not be an option for any immigrants. |
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Just curious as to why. I am dual American/British, not sure I see what the issue is unless you are talking as it may apply to criminal types. |
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No, not criminal types concern. I see it as a lack of commitment to the country you are immigrating to. If the country welcomes you as a citizen shouldn't you be all in? If a person does not wish to make the commitment and just wants to be able to work/live, I think many countries provide alternative means (e.g. green card which is first step to a citizenship). |
Something that may just interest me ...
The Obama thread hit #8092 posts on 2/3/2010. The Trump thread hit it today on 1/12/2018. I suspect if Trump does 8 years, he'll easily surpass the Obama thread. |
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Proof that the Obama thread is sad and the Trump thread is Stable Genius. |
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I know quite of few people who have dual citizenship. The overwhelming reason is having back up medical care- in case they no longer can afford/buy or lose their American coverage. |
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Yes, the US allows it and no doubt works to the advantage of the person (which includes a US citizen with another country's citizenship). Using the US as an example (not sure what the other countries' oaths says), I just see it as "I'll say it but no, I don't really mean it". |
Some countries do not allow a revocation of citizenship. My daughter will always be a Chinese citizen due to birth and there's no way she could renounce that.
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I have never even thought of that as a lack of commitment. I became a US citizen at the age of 10 when my Mother did. I have served in the US military and am in my 40th year of working, thereby contributing to SSN and paying taxes. I am also proud of my British heritage and would never renounce my English citizenship. I feel I have more than shown my commitment to the US, yet also see no reason why I can't proudly hold the citizenship of my birth country as well, considering I was brought to the US as a child. |
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This forum has become a mostly left leaning progressive groupthink.
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You and JPhillips bring up the scenario of dual citizenships for children and decisions were made for them. And I am not saying people can't be patriotic or be good citizens. As far as "why not", its because the oath says "I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen". We can rationalize the reasons & benefits (and it certainly benefits US citizens becoming dual citizens of another country) but it goes against my interpretation of the oath (which in my mind is pretty clear cut). Because its legal it means even the US acknowledges while the oath is something to be muttered in a formal ceremony, they are not willing to enforce it. FWIW, I am an immigrant myself (e.g. long story but went thru the F-1 to H1-B to green card to citizenship). I am proud of my heritage and continue to visit my birth country. |
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Trump tends to illicit that reaction. The board has always been fairly left leaning and I used to engage a lot of the boards extreme left guys because of how ridiculous the stuff they said was but right now there isn’t a whole lot to criticize about what they say about Trump. He’s a fool and has no ideology whatsoever. I will say my usual reminder that for some of us the way they feel about Trump and what they feel is a complete overreach of the federal government is how people like me feel on a lot of programs. I’m sure I will still get called out “The roads Panerd, the roads!” but at least Trump is kind of solidifying the Libertarian position of how even well intended government power becomes a complete disaster when controlled by the wrong people. A good lesson next time a Democrat controls the Presidency and the “this is just temporary” argument is put on the table for why we shouldnt worry about it. (ie Execuctive Orders by the Bush and Obama administrations that were clearly subverting the constitution but weren’t necessarily “evil” or horrible ideas. Now that Trump is using them it is easier to see why Libertarians like the division of government power) |
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