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JonInMiddleGA 05-31-2011 03:45 PM

The post-mortem from the beat blogger for the Thrashers.

Thrasherville will not soon forget what Atlanta Spirit did here » Comment Page 4 | Atlanta Thrashers: Ice Man

edit to add: Regular staff columnist also sums it up
http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-bl...iven-a-chance/

Fidatelo 05-31-2011 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2477071)
Why not just go with the Jets again?

I assume that option is still on the table.


I believe it is an option (although with True North there is never anything but 'No Comment' so everything is hearsay). The local speculation seems to lead to the following list of candidates:

Winnipeg Jets
Manitoba Jets
Manitoba Moose
Manitoba Falcons
Manitoba Polar Bears

I'm not sure anyone really has a good handle on what way TNSE is leading at this point, I think they've just floated those names out there over the past few weeks to get an idea of public reaction.

bhlloy 05-31-2011 05:02 PM

I'd be very disappointed if it's anything except the Jets but who knows. I loved those uniforms but I guess even if they keep the name there's a good chance the uniforms will be updated.

bronconick 05-31-2011 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm (Post 2477089)
Wondering this too, similar with the return of the Browns after the first Browns became the Ravens. IIRC, the new Browns and the old Browns share a record book, team history, etc, while the Ravens history starts as of 1995 (or whenever they formed).

Curious how it will work out if they use the Jets as the name.


You never go full Cleveland in a sporting matter.

LloydLungs 05-31-2011 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2476944)
While I am happy for the folks in Winnipeg, I hate it when teams move. Really, really hate it. I was all right with the idea of Phoenix moving to Winnipeg, since Winnipeg sort of "had them first", but it sucks for all of the Atlanta Thrashers fans (or fan) out there. I never like to see this.


Agreed. The best fans in sports are the diehards of poorly supported teams/sinking ships. From one who is a fan of a couple such teams, it sucks most of the time even if you aren't losing your team outright. No diehard ever deserves to go through this.

JonInMiddleGA 05-31-2011 06:17 PM

In happier news (and a bit of smart marketing), the ECHL Gwinnett Gladiators issued a press release today highlighting their season opener in October & made mention of negotiations underway to secure new NHL & AHL affiliation agreements. They also pointed out the new three year lease extension they signed last week (allaying fears that they might move downtown from the suburbs that have worked well for them).

Smart move on their part, definitely wise to point out that they aren't likely to remain tied to the Thrasers franchise (whatever it'll be called).

Dr. Sak 05-31-2011 09:45 PM

Chris Pronger Thinks He Is Not On Air, Says A "Shitfaced" Mike Keenan Once Stormed Gretzky's Hotel

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Thank fucking God I wasn't on the ice. Because I would have been blamed for it. ... We got spanked in that series, we lost the first game tight, 3-2, whatever, second game we got blown out 8-1, and it was like an NBC game, or whatever it was, and, oh my God, [coach Mike Keenan] came in and ripped everybody, tore Gretzky a new ass, and I'm sure he'd never had that happen before, and that was it, he was like, I'm not re-signing here, I'm done. That was it. Mike showed up at his hotel that night—it was an afternoon game—that night showed up shitfaced at his room, he was staying at the Ritz in St. Louis.
Correspondent's bit presumably ends.
Host EJ Hradek: Hold on. We gotta go back. We'll get back to this. Laughs.
Host Deb Placey: I got married there that summer.

MizzouRah 05-31-2011 10:16 PM


I think that's awesome. I'll never forget Mike Keenan and the time he spent here in St. Louis as the Blues coach.

Wolfpack 05-31-2011 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2477179)
In happier news (and a bit of smart marketing), the ECHL Gwinnett Gladiators issued a press release today highlighting their season opener in October & made mention of negotiations underway to secure new NHL & AHL affiliation agreements. They also pointed out the new three year lease extension they signed last week (allaying fears that they might move downtown from the suburbs that have worked well for them).

Smart move on their part, definitely wise to point out that they aren't likely to remain tied to the Thrasers franchise (whatever it'll be called).


Any chance the Glads would be interested in stepping up in weight class to the AHL in the future? It totally blows that Atlanta's gone, but it'd be neat to see Gwinnett move up to the A and give the Checkers a local rival along with Norfolk (not to mention kinda-sorta add to the Charlotte-Atlanta regional rivalry already ongoing overall).

Galaxy 05-31-2011 11:12 PM

So Winnipeg will play in the East?

JonInMiddleGA 05-31-2011 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfpack (Post 2477295)
Any chance the Glads would be interested in stepping up in weight class to the AHL in the future? It totally blows that Atlanta's gone, but it'd be neat to see Gwinnett move up to the A and give the Checkers a local rival along with Norfolk (not to mention kinda-sorta add to the Charlotte-Atlanta regional rivalry already ongoing overall).


I suppose there's always a chance, if the AHL was looking to expand, etc. There was some minor chatter at least among Thrasher fans about that possibility.

I kind of get a sense that the owners may be reasonably content where they're at. Less travel, 5th in attendance about 20% above the league average, not much pressure (that I can see) from their affiliated clubs. The attendance wouldn't likely change much (if any) with a move up & I think an uptick in ticket prices would turn fans off in a hurry, not sure how many additional costs they'd absorb with a league change but the travel would definitely be worse. At least for the next couple of years I see them staying right where they are & I'm okay with that.

samifan24 06-01-2011 12:09 AM

I really hope they name them the Jets and retain at least the team colors with an updated logo. I believe the old Jets records carried over to Phoenix but who cares? Winnipeg gets their team back. I know if Hartford got a team back I'd want them to be the Whalers.

Dr. Sak 06-01-2011 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2477313)
So Winnipeg will play in the East?


For next year they will play in the East in the Southeast division.

Suburban Rhythm 06-01-2011 09:12 AM

Looks like he was right all along

Atlanta Thrashers will move to Winnipeg; KC to host exhibition game - KansasCity.com

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The Los Angeles Kings announced Tuesday that the team would meet the Pittsburgh Penguins on Tuesday, Sept. 27 at the Sprint Center.
The Kings are owned by AEG, which operates the Sprint Center, and the team will be playing its third exhibition game in Kansas City in four years. The last two games, in 2008 and 2009, were not especially successful as the teams left many star players at home, and in the case of a 2008 game against St. Louis, the Kings played a split-squad game because they had another game in Los Angeles the same night.



bhlloy 06-01-2011 09:12 AM

Another masterful NHL decision. They are already probably the weakest team on the ice in the league in a market that is very touch and go to begin with, let's give them a backbreaking road schedule. Not setting the team up for failure at all.

How long have they known that Atlanta was a real possibility to move to Winnipeg for?

Suburban Rhythm 06-01-2011 12:04 PM

Darren Dreger reporting Colin Campbell is stepping down and speculating Brendan Shanahan will take the role.

bhlloy 06-01-2011 12:32 PM

That sounds awesome... have a lot of respect for Shanny

Dr. Sak 06-01-2011 09:29 PM

The bruins powerplay is worse than the second Caddyshack

DaddyTorgo 06-01-2011 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2478026)
The bruins powerplay is worse than the second Caddyshack


This. They've had a fuckload of opportunities in this game and haven't really done jack.

Dr. Sak 06-01-2011 09:40 PM

They've had two 5 on 3 this game so far and nothing. That's going to come back to bite (no pun intended) them.

DaddyTorgo 06-01-2011 09:43 PM

Burrows BIT Bergeron?

What a classless POS move.

Dr. Sak 06-01-2011 09:43 PM

I've said this before...if you put your fingers in someone's mouth you deserve to get bit.

Suburban Rhythm 06-01-2011 10:10 PM

I blame Matt Cooke

Dr. Sak 06-01-2011 10:13 PM

I blame Crosby for all the diving.

Suburban Rhythm 06-01-2011 10:16 PM

No actually I do blame Cooke...where do you think burrows first learned it?

I'd blame Mike Richards, but the last thing the NHL needs while trying to showcase their finals in a captain crying to the media.

Dr. Sak 06-01-2011 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm (Post 2478129)

I'd blame Mike Richards, but the last thing the NHL needs while trying to showcase their finals in a captain crying to the media.


That would be true if he talked to the media

Suburban Rhythm 06-01-2011 10:34 PM



Bah...fuck embedding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmgT15PTUjA

And, yes I know it's nearly 2 seasons old.

DaddyTorgo 06-01-2011 10:55 PM

Fuck. Seriously...how do you lose with 18 fucking seconds left?!?!?!?

Ugh.

This was a game that Thomas essentially stole for them and they couldn't deliver. I'm not sure at all that they can beat Vancouver in this series.

Dr. Sak 06-01-2011 10:59 PM

Stanley Cup Finals
2010 Game 1 - 11 goals
2011 Game 1 - 1 goal

Logan 06-01-2011 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurnerONU22 (Post 2455615)
I have created a Google Docs spreadsheet for the Fantasy Hockey Scoring:

Fantasy Hockey Standings

Thanks to Mike Fisher's 3 point night and Fleury's shutout, HB has the early lead with 10 points.


Hey Turner, if you're still following...maybe update this now that the Finals are underway? If you can't get around to it, no worries, I can try to work the numbers tomorrow.

Suburban Rhythm 06-01-2011 11:15 PM

Would be curious to hear what casual sports fans who watched game 1 without regularly watching the NHL would say. Like Sak pointed out, 11 goals last year. While I enjoyed the game, outside of all the penalties, new watchers probably won't be tuning in to game 2.

Galaxy 06-01-2011 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm (Post 2478212)
Would be curious to hear what casual sports fans who watched game 1 without regularly watching the NHL would say. Like Sak pointed out, 11 goals last year. While I enjoyed the game, outside of all the penalties, new watchers probably won't be tuning in to game 2.


Am I alone in wondering why the NHL is going head-to-head with the NBA in terms of the time frame for their finals?

Suburban Rhythm 06-01-2011 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2478214)
Am I alone in wondering why the NHL is going head-to-head with the NBA in terms of the time frame for their finals?


I think its the best of the given options. Playing vs. the NBA finals, on opposite days, gives the best chance to get more casual viewers. Say the SCF started 2-4 weeks ago, those games are competing for viewers vs. multiple NBA games per night for viewers.

That said, as someone who would be watching these games regardless, I am all for trimming 6-8 games and starting the playoffs 2 weeks earlier.

LloydLungs 06-01-2011 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm (Post 2478212)
Would be curious to hear what casual sports fans who watched game 1 without regularly watching the NHL would say. Like Sak pointed out, 11 goals last year. While I enjoyed the game, outside of all the penalties, new watchers probably won't be tuning in to game 2.


I would definitely be considered a very casual hockey fan (only watch in the playoffs, even then just on and off). But I love a 1-0 hockey game as much as a high scoring one, if not more so. Playoff hockey where goalies are pulling off incredible save after incredible save feels even more intense than a goal-fest.

TurnerONU22 06-02-2011 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2478197)
Hey Turner, if you're still following...maybe update this now that the Finals are underway? If you can't get around to it, no worries, I can try to work the numbers tomorrow.


Sorry about that, I'm on it now.

EDIT: Here's the latest standings with the two players left for each team:

1. Honolulu_Blue - 126 points - Kesler and Chara
2. Dr. Sak - 121 - D. Sedin and Chara
3. Logan - 121 - H. Sedin and Lucic
4. TurnerONU22 - 119 - D. Sedin and Thomas
5. bhlloy - 118 - Luongo and Kaberle
6. Sublime 2 - 109 - Edler and Bergeron
7. Suburban Rhythm - 109 - Kesler and Chara

Logan 06-02-2011 09:51 AM

In non-SCF news, the Rangers acquired defenseman Tim Erixon (Jan's son) from Calgary for Horak and a couple 2nds this year. Calgary wasn't going to be able to sign him before the deadline, but the Rangers got him signed. Considered NHL ready, and the Rangers had him rated in the top 10 if he made it into this draft.

Doug5984 06-02-2011 11:15 AM

Rangers have a pretty good D for next year

Honolulu_Blue 06-02-2011 11:25 AM

Pretty entertaining game last night.

I am not sure about the Bruins use of Chara in front of the net. I understand the idea/theory behind it. The Blackhawks had great success against Luongo the prior two years thanks in large part to Byfuglien making life a living hell for Luongo in front of that net. I assume that the Bruins were trying to create the same effect with Chara. The problem with Chara, however, is that not only is he more dangerous at the point, but he doesn't do the front of the net thing very effectively. After having watched Holmstrom do this for the last 15 years there is a lot more to it than just standing there. The biggest problem with Chara is that he was always getting out of the way of Luongo right when the shot was coming so Luong had a clear view of the shot and the shooter. I think they need to re-evaluate this strategy.

bhlloy 06-02-2011 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2478470)
Pretty entertaining game last night.

I am not sure about the Bruins use of Chara in front of the net. I understand the idea/theory behind it. The Blackhawks had great success against Luongo the prior two years thanks in large part to Byfuglien making life a living hell for Luongo in front of that net. I assume that the Bruins were trying to create the same effect with Chara. The problem with Chara, however, is that not only is he more dangerous at the point, but he doesn't do the front of the net thing very effectively. After having watched Holmstrom do this for the last 15 years there is a lot more to it than just standing there. The biggest problem with Chara is that he was always getting out of the way of Luongo right when the shot was coming so Luong had a clear view of the shot and the shooter. I think they need to re-evaluate this strategy.


Definitely agree with this. There's a lot more to it than "get a big guy and park him in front of the net". Power forwards spend years perfecting the skill of screening the goalie and tipping/disrupting pucks. Game 1 of a stanley cup finals is not the time to start experimenting with these kinds of things and tells me that Julien is desperate (although who wouldn't be with those kind of PP numbers)

Suburban Rhythm 06-02-2011 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2478470)
Pretty entertaining game last night.

I am not sure about the Bruins use of Chara in front of the net. I understand the idea/theory behind it. The Blackhawks had great success against Luongo the prior two years thanks in large part to Byfuglien making life a living hell for Luongo in front of that net. I assume that the Bruins were trying to create the same effect with Chara. The problem with Chara, however, is that not only is he more dangerous at the point, but he doesn't do the front of the net thing very effectively. After having watched Holmstrom do this for the last 15 years there is a lot more to it than just standing there. The biggest problem with Chara is that he was always getting out of the way of Luongo right when the shot was coming so Luong had a clear view of the shot and the shooter. I think they need to re-evaluate this strategy.


Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 2478485)
Definitely agree with this. There's a lot more to it than "get a big guy and park him in front of the net". Power forwards spend years perfecting the skill of screening the goalie and tipping/disrupting pucks. Game 1 of a stanley cup finals is not the time to start experimenting with these kinds of things and tells me that Julien is desperate (although who wouldn't be with those kind of PP numbers)


+1

This is up there with the idea of the sumo goalie-- just get the biggest guy you can and fill up the net. Just get the biggest possible guy at plant him in front of the goalie to screen him...except Chara not getting the "art" of it. Like HB says about Holmstrom, he's perfected it. Alot of times blocking the goalie's view is also blocking the shooters lane.

Honolulu_Blue 06-02-2011 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2478214)
Am I alone in wondering why the NHL is going head-to-head with the NBA in terms of the time frame for their finals?


So long as they don't play on the same night, I don't see it being much of an issue.

The ratings were solid (from a NHL point of view) for last night's game:

Last night’s Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Final, which featured the Vancouver Canucks defeating the Boston Bruins, 1-0, produced the best overnight rating for a Game 1 in 12 years. The broadcast generated a 3.2 overnight rating and 6 share up 14 percent compared to last year’s Game 1 (Philadelphia-Chicago, 2.8/6) and the best overnight for a Game 1 since 1999 (Buffalo vs. Dallas, 3.7 on Fox).

Logan 06-02-2011 04:32 PM

No suspension for Burrows.

Draft Dodger 06-02-2011 04:39 PM

that bites

Suburban Rhythm 06-04-2011 10:55 PM

Milbury is fucking irritating

DaddyTorgo 06-04-2011 11:08 PM

Go figure Burrows playing comes back to bite the Bruins (pun intended). So much for the B's chances in this series. Thomas stole them Game 1 basically and they couldn't deliver, and now here they fuck up 10 seconds into overtime.

Down 2 games they're not eliminated yet, but I'd imagine their chances are VERY slim. Oh well.

ozias 06-04-2011 11:22 PM

I'm disgusted by there play in the 3rd period of both games. They seem to play a "prevent" type of game, have terrible passes, which inevitably get picked off by Vancouver.

Then once again, start of OT and and yet another piss poor attempt at a pass, which is broken up, and who knows what Thomas was doing jumping that far out of goal, let alone Chara not crashing his guy or even hooking him to make sure he couldn't get around the net to make the worlds easiest goal. Heck a 2 month old baby could of pushed the puck into the net since it was wide open. :banghead: :banghead:

SirFozzie 06-05-2011 04:01 AM

Congrats to the Canucks.. The Biter.. I mean better team won.

Hey, any truth to the rumor that Mike Tyson will be the new mascot? :)

Suburban Rhythm 06-05-2011 09:33 AM

While I can appreciate the hate for Burrows, who by precedent should have been suspended...a bit of irony after Horton plays game 7 vs. Tampa and scores the game and series winner after escaping suspension for the water bottle incident?

samifan24 06-05-2011 02:33 PM

I love that the Canucks won last night thanks to Burrows, who shouldn't have even been playing. Thanks for the screw job, NHL.

MikeVic 06-05-2011 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samifan24 (Post 2480183)
I love that the Canucks won last night thanks to Burrows, who shouldn't have even been playing. Thanks for the screw job, NHL.


I don't know if this is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic, or what.


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