They stop an action. I would be surprised if it couldn't stop a consul arrest.

Dear Senators, I have more grave news. I was unable to procure the services of Macro Gothicus.

OK, so lets try and work through how the hiring of the killer would work.

Day 1 - we see a list of services, including Furius Lucius
Day 2 - whoever won Furius deploys him. But the bad guys allow Macro Gothicus to fall to Ironhead, when there are multiple wealthier people ahead of him (Bullet and Crew were good, DC and Pass/MV were ahead of him as well, possibly others)
Day 3 - bad guys win the bid fof Furius again, based on results
Day 4 - we try to coordinate who gets Macro, bad guys release Furius again.

The only person who could beat you for that bid would be DC. Crew was not allowed to procure services from prison and you three were at the top of the food chain.

As I promised, I went out in search of the man I was told was named Furio, but was actually named Macro. I hired him on the spot, but upon returning to my office, he informed me that his name was actually Maximus Maximus, and that he was a bodyguard.

My intent truly was to hire Macro Gothicus, and I am sure I called him Macro Gothicus by name in my correspondence with him. It was not until the contract had been signed that he revealed his true identity. I am sorry I let down the Republic by being duped in such a manner.

My message has been sent.

Huh?

So we'll have to hear from Barkeep to be sure, but if he was sex slaved, then who are the traitors protecting? The last list Barkeep made was LSG (already arrested), myself (loyal) and Antmeister.

I can't guarantee that DC beat me, as I ended up with Maximus Maximus. :eek:

Well, the answer to who got Macro will come into play tomorrow, not with the results we just saw.

As I mentioned earlier, I won them. I did not send them to Bk, that'd be silly.

I didn't remember who said they had them. So you had the sex slaves last night/today? Did you send them to somebody?

Updated lawsuit results (current):

AlanT (5-0) over KWhit, Hoops, Rum, Barkeep, and ITC
KWhit (14-1) loss to Alan, wins over WVU, Saldana, Swaggs, AE, Bullet, SnDvls, Rum, DT, Hoops, Narc, Neon, Tyrith, Ardent, Anxiety
Anxiety (6-1) loss to KWhit. Wins over Neon, DT, LSG, MV, Schmidty twice
Saldana (6-1) loss to KWhit, wins over Autumn, Barkeep, Rum, CW twice, and Ant
Narcizo (3-1) loss to KWhit, wins over Peregrine, LSG, and DT
Peregrine (3-1) loss to Narcizo, wins over Path, Neon, and LSG
Path (2-1) loss to Peregrine, wins over Neon and Ant
Gramm (2-1) loss to Autumn, wins over Mustang and Pass
Hoops (3-2) losses to Alan and KWhit, wins over Autumn, BK, and DT
Autumn (3-2) loss to Saldana and Hoops, wins over WVU, Gramm, and Neon
Bullet (1-1) loss to KWhit, win over ITC
AE (2-2) loss to KWhit twice, win over Swaggs and CW
CW (2-3) loss to Ardent and Saldana twice, wins over Iron and DC
Barkeep (2-3) lost to Saldana, KWhit,and Hoops. Wins over Neon twice
Crew (1-2) losses to Bullet and AlanT, win over DC
Rum (1-3) losses to Alan, KWhit, and Saldana. wins over LSG
Neon (2-7) losses to Barkeep twice, Autumn, Path, Peregrine, win over Ant twice
DT (1-4) lost to Anxiety, KWhit, Narcizo, and Hoops. Win over WVU
Ant (1-4) lost to Neon twice, Path, and Saldana. Win over Schmidty
Iron (0-1) loss to CW
SnDvls (0-1) loss to KWhit
Tyrith (0-1) loss to KWhit
Swaggs (0-2) loss to KWhit and AE
DC (0-2) lost to ITC and CW
Pass (0-2) lost to Anxiety and Gramm
Schmidty (0-3) loss to Anxiety twice and Ant
LSG (0-4) lost to Rum, Narcizo, Peregrine, and Anxiety
WVU/Mustang (0-4) loss to Autumn, DT, KWhit, Gramm

That depends on if money changes before bids are done. Has stcronin posted that? He got knocked down hard today.

Crap. I was trying to hire him.

Alright I just woke up so I'm gonna post what I got by PM. I acquired the services of Ardent for Day IV and I had him check Autumn... he's in the clear no evidence of wrongdoing.

Now I gotta get ready for work... cya'll later.

Man....something is way off. KWhit, you are totally defending BK and I am not 100% sure which person sent the vote. Anxiety clearly states that he acquired the sex slaves and didn't use them on BK. Do I trust Anxiety, KWhit, or BK? Who is BSing us?

As one of the new wealthiest, do you folks think I should make a play for Furius today? Or should I try to lock up one of teh better roles that aren't as contentious?

I want to hear from BK first. What happened buddy?

That will be vital to know. Hopefully st.cronin will give us that info.

So far, it seems like either Barkeepus or Abeus Anxietus is a traitor. I'll be waiting to hear Barkeepus' defense.

I don't understand what you are saying Pascalligus. Do you think a mistake was made in your PMs with St.Cronin?

Anxiety, how did you come into such great wealth? You jumped two levels, which is more rapid than when KWhit was winning 5+ suits a day.

Oh, shoot. BK is here. This should be good.

Maybe it was the people I beat?

:rolleyes:


I am trying to figure out what happened. I'm not defending anybody - especially BK after he ripped me a new on last night when my conditional arrest didn't go through. If it turns out that he screwed up and didn't get an order in, then his ass is grass.

And why in the WORLD would you think I didn't make the arrest? I posted this WELL before BK started discussing who he would vote for:



And then LSG is the one who was arrested! Why would you even consider that I didn't make the arrest like I said I would. It makes no sense!

I'm glad to be in the clear, Dodgerus Chickus, but I don't know if it's been wise for you to use your wealth on the lawyers and sex slaves while we're getting murdered.

My guess is I was nearly at the top of that level, and then the combination of multiple victories today turned out really well for me.

Alas, it's time for me to retire to chambers. G'night.

It seems bizarre to me too. It could be a quirk of the numbers.

I apologize. I was at work at the library and the internet was basically down and I was prevented from sending in any sort of order.

I have to admit, I'm starting to get a bit suspicious why all the lawyers are getting killed, but AE continues to remain alive. Traitors protecting their own, perhaps.

That's too bad.

:rolleyes:

If Barkeep is a tarq, (or anyone for that matter), what is the benefit in NOT arresting someone? The only thing I can think of is that LSG is not a Tarq, he knows that and so he would not bother with an arrest but, that seems like a horrible move. :confused:

As I said before the results of the execution, I had the impression Antus knew ITC was innocent, and is trying to set up some other loyal members to look bad. This seems more of the same. This suggests to me that Antus and perhaps Barkeepus both are traitors. I'd be glad to see evidence that proves me wrong.

I noticed the same thing. Don't know if it means anything. But it's something to keep an eye on.

Well kids, I screwed up.

Yes. I had the sword last night, and used it on Saldana. It was a calculated risk that, well, failed miserably. From the beginning, I frankly thought there was a chance that the Tarqs might start with one position of power, and Tribune was the only position that none of us could challenge. Add to that the fact that Saldana was posting very sparingly, and I had a suspicion in the back of my head that he could be bad.

So...yesterday I bid on the murdered, and had him executed. I took a shot on a gut feeling, and blew it. May have screwed us royally, and if so, my apologies.

If you wanna gut me, go ahead. Still not a traitor, though I freely admit I done messed up on that one.

I agree about Ant. He either is not listening, not thinking, or is a Tarquin. Neither one of those is particularly helpful.

See the WW ethics thread. I never lie about RL availability and have a long history of stating how I'm at work on Thursday nights.

Do we KNOW that Saldana was loyal? Did I miss something?

It is a smidge early to go after people for still being alive (in my opinion), but I think it is critical that the person hiring Lawyer #2 (Neon) use them to scan Ardent.

I didn't see any notice that he WASN'T, so I assume the worst. Believe me, I'd be quite relieved if my gamble paid off.

Well that seems like a great move, actually. As has been mentioned, wtih two candidates there's a chance of a split vote and no execution. So far we've shown willingness to jump on a bandwagon and kill a quiet Senator regardless of the lack of negative evidence. If Barkeepus was a traitor, and saw Kayus Whitus' arrest plan, it would be smart for him to not arrest.

Except for the fact that everybody's going to be hihgly dubious of any excuse he uses, and likely to label him a traitor.

I'm not accusing you of lying. I'm just pissed off that you blasted me last night about this and then tonight you screw the pooch.

That's all.

:)

Didn't learn your lesson from my Necromancer game, eh?

Although have we got anything that 100% validates that the "senators" are not Tarqs? I'm certainly working under that assumption. Did your PM make it absolutely clear that you murdered a Roman and not a Tarq?

Fair enough.

I don't know. Everybody gave me so much crap last night (BK included), that I don't think it makes sense for a Tarq consul to use this as a ploy. A much better strategy is just to arrest a good guy, IMO.

Now, I'm pretty ticked off about the whole thing and wouldn't mind throwing off the cliff just because, but I don't think his non-arrest makes him any more likely to be a Tarq.

Wow, that was a rather bold move, and I definitely woudln't have singled Saldanus out myself. I'm tempted to give you the benefit of the doubt based on my previous trust of you. But I think it likely we'll never find out Saldana's loyalty, and now we have to worry about you.

I'd like to make a point that we now know that Balbus Senna can convert a Senator, correct? So we have to factor conversions into our trust equations. We know one night he was used by Schmidty on Hoops, mistakenly. I believe hew as also available for bidding on Day 2, and so was probably used on Day 3.

Ugh....my bad, I am confused by the rules. I thought this was a PM vote and that explained the conditional vote earlier. After reading the first page again, I guess that mean you did make your vote.

We do?!?!?

What did I miss?

It is a PM vote.

My point was why in the world would I tell everyone that I was gonna vote for LSG and then not do it. And yet LSG gets arrested anyway.

Doesn't make sense...

But it IS a PM arrest (just to be clear).

I'd buy this tactic even more if I didn't already suspect Neon. There seems to be no doubt that the traitors are killing off lawyers to get control of them. It's possible they have both slots now, if so, we're in trouble.

I've read that thread and so I'm tempted to believe you. It certainly woudl piss me off to no end for it to be a lie after you've said this. I don't know you, so I'll presume you're not lying.

I find it straining the capacity of my brain cells though to think that at this point in the game any consul would not submit a provisional order early in the day. We have had some excuse every single day for not making two arrests. It's looking like we're going to have to chalk this game up to bumbling moves and missing players.

I didn't get a PM of any sort about it. So it's theoretically possible that I got a Tarq, I really don't know.

And dammit, the Necro game I second guessed myself and blew it. This time I didn't second guess myself...and possibly blew it. :)

Can you explain why you think Neon is a bad guy? You mentioned it earlier and again now.

Ironus Headus posted that he had the services of the philosopher, and described them. It sounds like you send the philosopher to another member to "convince them of your views." Schmidtyus thought this was a means of vouching for yourself and so sent him to Hoopyus.

I'm presuming it has no effect in the hands of a loyal Senator, but in the hands of a traitor would make a conversion.

Are you joking? After yesterday the last thing I wanted to do was send in a provisional order early in the day. The library I work at has triple T3s, from two different providers. The fact that we were off the internet means that there is some kind of major problem. In frankly never occurred to me that I wouldn't be online tonight.

Man, if you are a Tarquin, and let's say Barkeep voted for LSG and you simply didn't vote, yet claimed you did, it would make perfect sense. However Barkeep says that he missed his vote so that throws that theory in the toilet. That is why I was hot and bothered by the last vote. I didn't know who was telling the truth. Because you could post one thing and decide not to do anything or even vote for the same person. Vote throwing in my conspiratorial 2 cents.

I read what Schmidty and Hoops said about it, but I didn't reach the same conclusions you did.

Hmmmm..... I don't know if that's what that means or not.... Other opinions?

So far it seems to me we've cleared a number of people through scans, and that's about all we've accomplished. One of those is dead by poison, we've executed two people we are fairly sure were innocent, another person is dead by poison and therefore presumably was loyal. Two are dead by sword. One we presume to be loyal since no loyal Senator claimed credit, the other one is in dispute.

Meanwhile we have not managed to kill a traitor, or even identify one. I find it likely that at least one major role has been snagged by a traitor, and that the traitors have possibly risen in the wealth ratings while we stumbled around.

I also suspect we've arrested an innocent Senator yet again, and therefore have little likelihood of making a kill tomorrow.

I can only wait and see what other services people won and used. And hope that if one of the Loyal Senators purchased the sellsword's service, that they use it on one of the presumed traitors as things become clear.

Let me try to give more detail about Senna without a direct quote.

Senna was writing a book and wanted to get my views on the Republic. I did not find him to be particularly engaging and we ended our conversation.

I'm going to be extremely concerned if there is a regular (every other day or more?) option for him to convert.

Joking? We've missed arrests every day for one reason or another. I would think that ultra extreme caution would be utilized. Future consuls - please send in a provisional (not a conditional) arrest order immediately!

How strange. That is very vague.

Hmm, not very clear. Ironhead, can we get a description from you again?

And can the lawyers confirm that they got no report on the loyalty of Saldanus?

Totally agree about the whole suspicion on N_C thing

If Pass bid on Macro and didn't get him, wouldn't it have to be one of these people (higher or same wealth bracket?)

Abeus Anxietus
Dodeus Erchickus
Kayus Whitus
Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus

Depends on the timing of the suits versus services. At the time the bids were placed only Dodeus Erchickus would have been ahead. ImTheCrew was in the pokey and couldn't place a vote. And Pass had just moved up the list, which makes it unlikely to me that he elevated beyond DC when neither was heavily invested in lawsuits on Day 3.

If the suits are processed prior to purchasing services, then the list you provided would be in play.

But I don't understand Pass's explanation. Why did he receive Maximus? Did he make a mistake in his PM? Is there some hidden mechanic at play?

I placed a bid on the first legionnaire on teh list. Don't remember his name because I sent my bid in before stcronin chnaged the list, but I told him I wanted the top, first legionnaire, whoever it was. I failed. So someone above me got him.

Not to mention it's perfectly possible he's lying to cover up a plan to use the sellsword to kill a loyal Senator today.

So, Dodeus Erchickus has the bid of Macro then?

Which is what I'm wondering what is up. If he is that high on the list, there are only a few people that could have Macro which, I'm assuming is some type of killer? But, instead, he has a Legionnaire which, I'm assuming, is some type of bodyguard?

Yeah, I am totally lost when I read his post talking about Furio/Macro/Maximus.

Yes, it's not clear until he writes in again. If he had been outbid, he should have received nothing. So either there was some confusion between he and St.Cronin, he's making this all up to confuse us, or there's some game mechanic coming up that we have not yet seen.

THROW LONUS STARUS GIRIUS TO THE ROCKUS

If she sees that she is going to bungie without a cord, she may talk.

I vote to jail Coffeus Warlordus as he apparently knows Saldana is good from his post stating he made a mistake. Makes no sense that he would state that unless he knows. Without a scan he would have to be a Tarq to know that.

As a RL note, I will be involved with a disaster recovery exercise with my job tomorrow. It starts at like 6 AM and runs until god knows when so, I very much doubt I will be posting until night time.

Just got back. I would like to state the obvious.

The game is turning into one big clusterfuck for the village.

That is all (time to do some analysis).

Took me 24 hours and my head was spinning but, I think I'm finally into the game. :D Hard game to get thrust into the middle of...

I'm done throwing innocent quiet people off the rock. We have succeeded in stealing much of Lonestarus Girlus's money, and that's good enough for me. I want to arrest someone who's actually a traitor tomorrow.

VOTE TO FREE LONESTARUS GIRLUS

I'm going to wait to see what becomes clearer before I suggest my arrests. There sure are plenty of suspects this time.

Yeah Mustang, this game is pretty obscure. It is very difficult to determine what we can do, even at this point in the game.

Of the people who have died, who have we confirmed as either Republican or Tarq?

Everyone is Republican as far as I can determine. I'd hope that if they were a Tarq, they would have been revealed to be as such.

So, going to suggest arrests 5 days from now? :D

We don't get a faction reveal upon death. We have to use game mechanics to figure it out. As far as I know, we do not know what Saldana's faction was.

ooof...

That I didn't know.

Bulletus and Imust were confirmed to be loyal. The two poison deaths are presumably loyal since as far as we know only traitors can use poison. The two sword deaths are not confirmed, but Alanus Teeus had been scanned and seems 99% likely to have been loyal.

AE validated Imus the crewus.

How does the lawyer thing work. Do they get a definate faction scan? At one point Dodgerus Erchicus stated she scanned Alanus with a lawyer, I believe AE and he said that he did not know the outcome. But now he knows the outcome of Imus. How does it work?

Yeah, there was a mistake in communication, not on my part. I tried to correct it immediately, but was unable to. So I have no freaking idea what happened.

Read a few posts down. I was under the impression either the lawyers immediately knew someone was a Tarq when they died, or we were automatically told.

I think I speak for all when I say..

Maaaa-huh?

The story we've been told was corroborated between Ardentus and Swaggus, and so I trust it.

Supposedly the lawyers receive a PM after an execution telling them whether the person was loyal or not.

As far as I know they only receive this notice for executions, but I've never inquired about that.

If this was just a result of a mix-up in names on PM I'm going to be tempted to fall on my own sword. And it's not even sharpened.

Well I guess his overall inactivity for starters, with only 13 posts only LSG has fewer posts. Also, when he does post, he tends to pop in and do strange things, like popping in after extensive inactivity to vote to free ITC without any explanation.

Frankly, though, it's difficult to tell who's a traitor and who's just not very involved in the game.

Why wouldn't Cronin just address it then instead of Pass? Not sure why Pass would have to correct it?

Well, I'll wait until morning to see. St.Cronin is gone I believe, having said he'll finish lawsuits in the morning.

For the record, I sent my day 2 horse message to BK, who was apparently prevented from sending a reply because of his RL problem. GRR.

Seriously, you have to be online at end of day to participate?

If you're intending to do stuff then, then it helps if your internet performs as expected.

Second best lawyer in town.

Thanks to the guy who sent me the ho's last night. They were scrumptious.

How dare these people acuse me of being a traitor!?

I have always been loyal to the Senate, and I have always been proud to be a part of the Republic! And that alone should be enough to plead for my innocence!

As for my lawyer role...

No pm about ITC being good or not, just the PM about the sex slaves being sent to me.

Back from a parent meeting at my son's kindergarden.

Seems to be another seriously sub-par performance by the villagers and I have to take my share of the blame. I was trying to attract a kill attempt yesterday so I put the bodyguard on myself, hoping to catch someone. I feel particularly bad because I was initially going to protect Schmidty. I'm afraid my ego could have cost us the game so I'm really sorry. I'll try to make up for it now but I feel really doubtful of our chances at the moment. The wolves seem to be playing with us at the moment.

Hey there Chief Rum. How's it hanging? I see you're lurking. :)

I would imagine he's reading the thread rather than lurking.

CR let's make a big effort to coordinate our efforts here. I'm pretty certain that I'm going to be able to be around close to the deadline tomorrow but family stuff might get in the way. So I'll be making an arrest order before I disappear today (Friday :) ) I'll say what that arrest order is but I would like you to state who you are arresting in case I want to change the arrest tomorrow. Does that work?