Actually I will take this on. Perhaps the reason I'm not willing to just take your word for it is that the information you HAVE given us has not been 100%. How great of you to tell us after the fact that you knew the truth about Mr.W and ntn. That's great. I mean I can claim all sorts of things after the fact.

However, for understandable reasons, the information you have provided has been incomplete and misleading, again through no fault of your own. Perhaps, then, I've just made your argument for you. The less you share the less we're mislead. So this idea that we should just trust you on the information? Give me a break.

And with that I have a concert to get ready for. Kramus is playing tonight at the Emerson in Indianapolis if anyone is in the area you will want to check them out. Great local rock band with over 6 hours of original material. Too bad they will probably just be playing a 45 minute headliner set instead of an all night bar set. Hopefully Saldana is who Blade and LSG say he is and nothing too fishy is going on here.

So I have been focusing in, too much I guess, on saldana and that line of thinking. Hoops: you're basically suggesting that swaggs could not have killed Tyrith, correct?

No, most information i have gotten has been rather conclusive. If you will note, the one bit of misleading info i got was the urchin bribe, which is not an ability exclusive to my role. Every other shred of info i have been given has been quite conclusive. Whether i deemed/deem it necessary to give it all to you is another story, but except for the urchin everything i have been told im PMs has been quite conclusive. Im sorry if you dont like my game, and im sure you dont since you were the beneficiary of my day 2 reveal of info, but i whole-heartedly believe with similar info you would have made a similar move. You can deny it, but hind-sight is 20/20.

I lynched alan, but he admitted he made multiple mistakes that got him lynched, not my incorrect information. I lynched lathum with hoops by being honest with my information. Saldana will die and turn up as hyde because of my info. So, unless your just totally hung up on the urchin reveal, i dont see a basis for your claims.

Now, i will grant you i have not been even remotely up front with my facts, and i may have been misleading(i admit i have been very much so), but the info i have attained has been far from it.

no time to explain votes...work in 2 minutes but I will be on pre-lynch for my lynch vote. dunno where the saldana thing stands...havnt seen a vote count yet

can't bold on phone as always sorry CR

VOTE NO LYNCH SWAGGS

When saldana comes up evil though, can we still trust such things as this? Thats the only thing that has earned dubb any trust from me, and now im beginning to realize it may be completely unfounded as saldana was able to bribe the urchin, what makes us think he and the other evils can also go to the opium den or prostitutes?

Blade, I don't think we can trust that information as conclusive if Saldana is Hyde. Which is part of the reason I was asking earlier for people to post their night activity summaries. Having seen and been seen by people is another form of currency for building trust. I don't know if it is all-inclusive but I think it helps.

Barkeep,

Er, that was weird.

Barkeep, I haven't spent time trying to figure out Swaggs relative to Tyrith. I did spend some time trying to see if the info released by Blade/LSG on Saldana matched up with the Night 3 description posted by our moderator.

Er, that was weird.

Barkeep, I haven't spent time trying to figure out Swaggs relative to Tyrith. I did spend some time trying to see if the info released by Blade/LSG on Saldana matched up with the Night 3 description posted by our moderator.

I think it helps, as it allows more situations like lathum where he was seen out and about by people but didnt do anything. Thats why people like dubb worry me. You saw lathum out and about, but he was bad. Dubb is saying hes ok becuase people saw him out and about...i certainly agree its helping

So what are your thoughs on Swaggs then?

I think there is NO reason, at all, to believe that so called normal villager options would not be available to the bad guys. My COT, is and remains, small:

Bulletsponge
Myself
Hoops

Nearly trusted would be:
Izulde

If there wasn't the idea that Blade was a mason he'd been in that second category with Izulde. I have others that I feel one way or the other about. But I always thought the COTs were way too large.

Question: Would people object to my cleaning up posts like 1508, but in particulr 1509? We have a strong "don't delete posts" ethic here, but I've always thought duplicate posts should be an exception.

~Barkeep49, Your friendly WW Mod

I think its totally fine, i have actually employed that policy in the past. If i post a duplicate, i just delete it. I never edit or delete normal posts, but ill delete duplicates right when it happens

My thoughts on Swaggs is that I grant him trust today since we have decided to go down the Saldana = Hyde path. Blade is vouching for him, so if you trust Blade then you believe him on Swaggs.

By working with Blade as good, I have a couple of others I trust as well. But I'm not sure there is much benefit in exploring this until we learn the results of this lynch.

I have my CODT(non trusted) right now down to 5 people. I hope to make that number even lower tonight.

Thats working under the assumption the hookers are all good, right or wrong...

dola, that does not account for saldana though, so if you dont think hes going to die today bump that up to 6

All the hookers started the game as good. I'm skeptical about a possible conversion mechanism, though I guess I shouldn't be considering how stacked in favor of the good guys the game SEEMS to be.

nice

i guess no one finds it convenient that 5 minutes after i say i have to get back to work and wont be around to defend myself, LoneStarGirl, who has basically been on the bottom of everyone's trust lists for days, magically comes up with a revelation about me that aligns her solidly next to the one person in the game that everyone trusts....

i was bothered when people just blindly followed blade, but could understand it to an extent, but what has LSG done to invoke anyone's trust?

blade...is there anyway (other than dying) that i can convince you that you are wrong about me? there could be 2 mechanics in this game that could involve you being incorrect...the fog, and the unknown confusion mechanic mentioned in the rules.

i already know the answer to that question, but just thought i would ask......

again, i am here to defend myself, and the thread is empty except for hoops....i guess i'm done for this one...at least i got to live for 4 days. :)

Saldana, the night results mentioning the killing happening next to LSG's house add a little credibility. Other than that, it is the cumulative affect of two people placing you as the killer - people with no established link up to this point in time.

We were wrong in our lynch yesterday. We will be definitely hurting if we are wrong on our lynch today. But I'm having a hard time going in another direction today with multiple people saying you are guilty.

Yep, Friday afternoons are teh sux for WW play. Maybe we'll get a spike near the deadline, but this is usually ghost-town time in these threads.

Honestly, if i had gotten the information in a different manner id be open to the idea. Especially after not wanting another alan mistake today....

BUT

My PM was drop dead, stake my life, 100% utterly and leaving no room for error clear you are mr. hyde. Neither fog nor the confusion mechanic would effect what happened to me last night, and as such i regret there is no way i will move off you. On the bright side, you made it to day 4 and made a few kills before you were caught, so its not all negative for you this game.

Saldana, i really do respect you and the game you played...i didnt suspect you all that much, and got lucky when catching you really. Keep you head up, as you were playing a great game if you ask me.

like i said earlier, when blade was accusing me, i could understand people going with, but LSG is such a latch on IMO that is has me miffed that people are following her.

Saldana, if you do turn out to be a bad guy it will confirm a thought I had earlier:

"The only way Saldana lives to see Day 3 is if he is a bad guy"

Saldana, I'm a little troubled by the "convenience" of LSG and Blade having their stories match up so nicely. But, what do you want us to do? What would you do if you were a villager and two players came out saying definitively that somebody else was bad?

Unless you have something else, we really have no other play than to lynch you.

Saldana -- Are you suggesting that Blade and LSG are both willing to do a fake reveal at this point in the game?

cronin brings up a point: Saldana what alternative course are you suggesting?

To be fair, i was fake revealing since day 2..so its not that much of a stretch :p

Assuming blade is telling the truth:

Vote saldana
Vote no lynch swaggs

We'll have to see how this lynch comes about, but I have my suspicions. There's a good chance I won't be around by lynch time, so this vote is pretty set.

the same could be said about you, blade, and barkeep

Ugh, this really frustrates me, it's like, how in the hell do we know you're telling the truth NOW?

:confused: :confused: :confused:

no...i am as sure blade is good as i am of anything...i think LSG is latching on to blade in an effort to move herself up trust lists

lynch someone else and you or hoops tell me where to be tonight so i can bang you...you will find out if i am good or bad then.

Screw it, I'm going with my gut:

unvote saldana
unvote no lynch swaggs
vote blade
vote lynch swaggs

I wouldn't doubt it if blade and LSG are both aligned for evil. The last time I remember LSG being evil, she was chatty saying she'll be around a lot, then she gets her role and completely disappears.

Something just ain't right.

Saldana, recently ive been living a long time every game, and i havent been bad in like 10 games.

Actually, both games i was a wolf(only 2 out of like my 30) i died by day 2. The one bad guy game i did well i was turncoat.

with that I'm out til after lynch

You have to rely on things like Mr. W our watchman trusting me and knowing and not being willing to reveal my real role.

DC, vote how you will, i was planning on scanning you tonight regardless of how you vote.

Bold move by DC. I don't trust her at all, so

vote no lynch swaggs

It isn't a comment on level of play, but on your uncanny attractiveness to bad guys. It isn't fair, but it is an amusing trend for me to observe ;)

in that case, i am surpirsed it took 4 days for someone to say it;)

I believe that Blade knew ntn was Lestrade.

I don't have any reason to trust LSG and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if she's trying to distance herself to move up trust lists -- she sees that she's near the bottom of most of them right now.

Saldana was comfortably in my cot at the beginning of the day, for the record.

No I have no idea why I was arrested.

st. cronin is now high on my list, though because he tried to get people to get going on lynching me for one, and for two, he's not trusting DC, even though I'm a prostitute and have already vouched that DC is in fact just an ordinary, good villager when she visited me.

After catching up, I'll throw out there that I don't see the endgame for the villians in this game so early. I think we have to trust Blade at this point. That being said

NO LYNCH SWAGGS

But...I would say that Blade's relationship with one other member of the game baffles me. That is what is causing some hesitation on my part.

then lynch her and give me a chance to get screened by a ho tonight.

I'm out for a bit with our Friday supper night out, but I'll be back before the lynch.

Roughly 90 minutes til deadline, correct?

150 minutes.

Here is a question for everyone? Does anyone(besides the hookers and DT) make anything but 3 gold a night?

3 per day for me.

Well, it's certainly slowed down a lot.

I count just two votes to lynch Swaggs: saldana and Dodgerchick.

By my count, saldana will get lynched with votes to spare. I think he has all but two votes.

i think people are busy measuring me for my box

Izulde has vouched for me time and time again... feel free to scan me blade, but don't be surprised when I come up a villager.

Cronin, it's not a bold move, maybe a misinformed one, but not a bold one. And I know Mr. Wednesday vouched for blade, I get that, but I would assume a mason would be seen as good when in fact they're doing what they can to disrupt the village.

No one has voted for blade, so my vote is completely worthless. I'm going on gut instinct, which has been wrong at times, but it's all I got right now.

What the hell did I miss?? Someone... anyone?

HOME! what's up?

Jump on the bandwagon and vote for saldana.

figured that would be the case. just didn't know if something had changed in the last 4 hours.

I believe I already posted this part, but for posterity's sake

VOTE NO LYNCH SWAGGS
VOTE SALDANA

if you were evil sal you played a good game as blade has said. nothing to be ashamed of.

Well, I was going to say I was back and catching up, but that was just about 9 posts so.......caught up!

lol

FWIW, I think Izulde's vouch for you is good enough for me at this point.

Normally people complain about having so much to read :)

I was all worried about having enough time before deadline, too.

I would like Izulde to verify that the secret he learned from Dodgerchick is that she is good. If this has been previously posted I would accept citing the post.

Note that saying Dodgerchick visited Izulde is not what I'm looking for - I'm explicitly looking for where Izulde learned the secret that Dodgerchick is good. If that was not the secret learned, then I would still like to know the exchanged secret.

I'll dredge it up if I have to, but I don't want to :)

Daddy, has anyone vouched for you? I'm actually going back through the thread to put all these vouches together but as long as your here I'll just ask you.

Dola, and I think I'll call you DT from now on because starting a message with Daddy kinda creeped me out. No offense.

Double dola, I feel the same way when I'm talking about sleeping with hoops and Barkeep.

There you go hoops

Don't bother, I'll do the dirty work on the vouches. I'm on page 9 already.

After costs, I earn 3 shilling a day.

Izulde vouched that I was his next client when he was arrested and I was seen there by DC and Mr. W and someone else (my brain is a bit foggy on exactly who at the moment).

I havn't had an opportunity to lie with anyone else yet, and frankly wandering around the streets at night looking for a prostitute worries me with so much evil about. Little safer now though, if sal is indeed hyde as blade has revealed.

that was actually like 1/3 of the intention of the name ;)

To be called DT, or not to be called Daddy? And what are the other two-thirds?

Costs??

Daily costs.. yes.

bye bye sal

to be called Daddy. The other two-thirds relate to my best-friend's SN (which is just Torgo) and the epic B-movie "Manos: Hands of Fate"

Oh crap, is Chief gonna be here later? Damn, I should be grocery shopping right now.

Antmeister keeps asking when I'm leaving! lol :D

He loves it when you call him Big Poppa.

He likes to rock grooves and make moves with all the mommies ;)

Does your best friend refer to you as the Master?

I didnt lie about saldana, and tonight well find out about dodgerchick

Uhh... please ignore that gibberish up there... I was trying to paste something from youtube and antmeister posted it and was gonna delete it, but I had to push his paws off the mouse.

Sorry 'bout that. :o

Probably a Master baiter!

haha

well played!

I've already told you about DC. She visited me, the info I got was that she was a common Londoner on the side of good.

Izulde, would you be willing to post the information you have learned from each of your clients?

Then ill visit you tonight and clear both of you, better?

Okay, I'm finally going grocery shopping... cya'll in a little bit

DC is the only thing I've learned anything on any of my clients. I was arrested before I could get a client on Night Two and on Night Three, I couldn't work because they were in the process of letting me out on jail.

My guess would be that whether or not I get information on a client is random. Perhaps the other prostitutes can verify this?

Except there's no guarantee of that. From all indications, who a john hooks up with is entirely random.

Something's hitting a nerve with me here. Not with you, but with something that someone said about Swaggs. You were thrown in jail before you could do your night action right? Somebody said that they saw Swaggs perform a night action. If I can find that post...

Izulde, did you have a client on Night 0? If so, what did your PM say about them?

I mean if you know for sure she is good, then learning your good will clear both of you. If you only think she is good because she was able to visit a prostitute, you need to say so now

No I know she's good and a common Londoner. That was the explicit information I received.

Looking over my Night 0 PM now.

Okay, regarding Night 0 I had Fouts as a client and the only thing I learned was that he lives on Cavell Street. He's dead now obviously and was on the side of Good.