Just wanted to be the first post on page 31 :)

it did get pretty quiet pretty quick. I wondered who would get the cursed 1st post on page 31.

Hopefully some folks come back on before 10...

Brian, what do you think of our change of lynch choice? (If you like it you should join our growing band of light) :)

Well just got back from watching survivor and find myself about to be voted off the island. Just great. I can tell you that it would be a huge mistake for the side of good to do so, and I'm pretty sure Blade knows that.

You are trusting your vote to a guy who felt sure he was going to die yesterday and one of the three people he said was evil before he died turned up good. I am good as well. Don't let Blade lead you to a horrible lynch.

If you turn up good, I apologize, but blade will have handed himself to us...if you have more information, sometime in the next 45 minutes would be a good time to reveal.

Where does the vote stand now?

7 - thomkal - swaggs (1466), blade (1467), daddy (1469), ntn (1470), izulde (1475), gram (1477), tyrith (1478)
5 - ntn - alan (1247), jonathan (1248), schmidty (1340), mr.w (1364), thomkal (1392)
4 - izulde - lsg (1185), brian (1336), spleen (1377), sublime (1445)
1 - mr.w - dodger (1274)

Better clarify why it would be a big mistake...

I still think Izulde to be the more suspicious person, but I am willing to listen to reasoning on Thomkal. Do we have a reason other than Blade saying so?

At this point, yes, which is the fact that thomkal has 7 votes and izulde has 4, and I'm not sure we can move them all back easily. The main reason I switched was because most of the izulde voters switched off him, leaving us holding the bag.

So we either follow Blade and look like chumps if he is wrong, or we don't follow and look like chumps if he is right? I guess we have to trust someone...

Unvote Izulde
Vote Thomkal

Pretty much. The only assurance is that if blade is wrong he knows we're going to ritualistically slaughter him tomorrow -- and he might even die tonight if we have a ranger with a hunter type role.

That is true. :) Ballsy move, but with the numbers dwindling, we need someone to be ballsy.

unvote izulde

vote thomkal


i am only switching because i believe blade to be of the light.... i am going after izulde tomorrow

so we have our lynch. congrats blade.

*sigh of relief* So at least we'll get to determine blade's allegiance a better way. Izulde is still high on my list atm, too, LSG. And Gram and Swaggs and most of the other people voting with me now. Wow, that's kinda bad.

Well crud. You can now all remove your votes from me because

I'M THE SEER.

The reason that I voted NTN is because the three people I have viewed are all good and are all voting for him. I tried to hint at my role with my comment there. "I don't have a strong feeling of suspicion". And to answer the expected question, I did not view Blade to this point because as I said earlier when he and Alan were feuding, I thought they were just both villagers arguing with each other.

Who are the three people?

OTOH as I suggested below, I believe someone else to be the seer.

Now Thomkal, NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

That's not why I voted for him.

I assume your vote on me was due to my almost non existance in posting. (at least in part) If that isn't it what was your reason if ou don't mind me asking?

I dont buy it for a second, you are pulling this role out of your butt to save yourself

As the seer, what kind of information do you get on a player?

Alan's been doing a great job of orchestrating suspicion onto folks on the side of light; that suggests that he's likely to stay alive a while longer regardless of whether he's a bad guy or just badly mistaken.

Thomkal, if you want to survive, you have about three minutes to give us the list. Otherwise, tough luck.

AGREED.

Thomkal has given us no evidence. Thom...if you are truly the seer (which i don't believe) tell us who you scanned and what one of the person's occupations is.

Where did ThomKal go??

I get which side they are on-light, darkness. I have viewed Jonathan, Mr. W, and Schmidty-all are good. I purposedly brought up Schmidty still being alive to see who would talk about it, so I could get a good chance at an evil.

Catching the flip on page 49, and he's someone who interested me. I should make to it page 51 to change if necessary.

UNVOTE ntndeacon
VOTE Thomkal

After we kill tyrnth and see he's bad we will have some people to concentrate on.... anybody who didn't change their vote, and anybody that is sticking up for him now.

This question does not require you to out anybody. What kind of info do you get??

Okay. Now you have to die anyway. Sorry, but considering how late the reveal is, the only way we know the list is good is to know that you're good the hard way. If you really are on our side, thems the breaks, at least will have a CoT, and you probably wouldn't have lived tonight anyway.

interesting that jon/weds both of them aren't completely in the clear and schmidty isn't online isn't it?

UNVOTE Thomkal
VOTE ntndeacon

I think you are not alone in your doubt. If the "real seer" (if there is one) hasn't checked Thomkal (assuming he makes it out alive) then I imagine they will tonight.

Unbelievable even the people I cleared are voting for me. And Gram that is all the information I get.

Why did you pick those three to view?

Tyrith, why not leave him alive and take a shot at picking up a bad guy?

and i don't believe a real seer would have outed 3 villagers there, knowing that they were likely going down anyways.

Understand, I posted the second prior to reading your reply.

I am not the one who orchestrated the time of this vote switch to me DT, Blade did, It's unfortunate Schmidty is not on, but the other two are.

Gramm, he probably picked me because I was getting picked up as suspicious by several vocal players.

Even if thomkal is the seer he is much more useful to us alive than dead! If he dies we have three people we can trust and we can slaughter blade tomorrow. If he's bad we have a dead bad guy. If we let him live we know NOTHING because of the timing of the reveal. He didn't give us a role name, information about himself, or anything. We have to hold the lynch.

Good question, i think the real seer would have scanned a couple of vets at least, not three quiet guys

He got asked. What was he supposed to do, refuse and die with the knowledge?

If he's the real seer we need, need need need to know his scan list. Two of them will be alive tomorrow, we can use the information to actually get ourselves oriented in this game instead of running around.

those are all reasons to kill him tyrith. if he's alive we have no idea if he would be telling the truth.

I picked Jonathan because he was either a new player or at least new to me and since I wasn't familiar with him, I wanted to pick one of them on day 1.

Mr. W I picked because of the comments he made about conversions and dark powers that day. I picked him from the five or six people who made similar comments because I thought that was an awfully convient way for evil to hide.

Schmidty I viewed because of his comments yesterday, had to see if he was telling the truth

I think you're saying he's worth more dead than alive. The problem is, if we lynch him and he's right, one of the cleared people dies tonight. Don't waste the lynch on someone who's probably good, let the wolves take care of him tonight and take a shot at getting a real bad guy.

I'm posting as quickly as I can here guys, cut me some slack

I know, that's waht I'm saying, he has to die! HE HAS TO DIE!

The people saying to hold the lynch obviously want to because they want the seer dead.

We've already got the scan list. None of the cleared guys was up as an alternative, so what's your point here?

If he dies and he's good we know that two people are good tomorrow _and_ we can lynch blade. That's enough for me.

UNVOTE ntndeacon
VOTE Tyrith

UNVOTE ThomKal

VOTE ntndeacon

I'm going with the reveal

not at all. it's because the only way to actually verify what you're saying is for you to die. it's an unfortunate side-effect of being the seer i imagine. otherwise you could be a Dark agent trying to slip one of your fellow Dark agents into a CoT

Well, looks like a lot of folks are here... hope they've somewhat caught up...

Mr. Wednesday, Jonathan you know I'm telling the truth about you. You can save me.

Still does not mean Blade is bad, just wrong.

people...don't let us end up with no lynch here. if we end up with no lynch we get NO information and NO certainty from this!

For what reason should we trust a seer reveal with 20 minutes left with no specific details on a role that was VERY heavy on specific details and a scan list that is possible the worst scan list I have ever seen? It's TOTAL CRAP. We get two good guys and a bad guy if he's good, and a bad guy if he's bad. Otherwise we go into tomorrow not knowing anything and a lynch behind.

There's no way this was an accident if he's the seer. It's just too convenient. Lots of games they've had ways to scan for the seer.

what is the vote count? we have five minutes and i think we have enough for the lynch

if Thomkal is inded the seer (as i doubt) then there's someone else out there with information about people's roles. The odds of that...not so great I'd imagine. Whether that other person would be good or evil though I confess I have no idea.

Just caught up. Whats the current vote count? I think its crazy to lynch the seer to prove his trust list. I think Tyrith should be hung for just saying it, but its too late at this point.

The chances of lynching the seer instead of making the bad guys waste a move to do it seems just mind boffling to me. Worst case scenerio, he is a bad guy and he survives another day.

I would rather lynch no one than accidentally lynch the seer just to clear 3 good people. that is insane.

We only have 8 on Thomkal, we need someone

Considering he went on the block an hour before deadline, what in the heck were you expecting?

I AGREE WITH TYRITH!!! HOLD STRONG PEOPLE!

Quick shift to Tyrith?

UNVOTE Tyrith
VOTE ntndeacon

I think we should look very hard at Tyrith tomorrow, but right now my vote is better placed where it might get someone who's not a seer and not cleared.

If he is the seer they can just let him live tonight, give us another bogus name, and we kill him tomorrow and we're just as bad off!

Alan...I have VERY GOOD reason to believe he is not the seer. Or at worst there are multiple people with role information. Because someone else has role information on me.

How can you blame the 20 min thing on him? Its not like he anticipated 8 votes being moved to him 3 hours ago. If you are the seer would you reveal your role with your neck not on the line?

Now I have no idea if Thomkal is good or bad.. but the risk of lynching the seer just to prove a point sounds crazy.

Brian, if you want to do it, I'm game, just don't think we can round up nine votes in two minutes.

A seer would never reveal 20 minutes before deadline. It is a BS move to save his butt. No real seer would scan those three people. He had BS reasons for scanning them too. Gram, you changed your vote, if Thomkal dies and is bad, you aren't going to look good.

I think you are onto something here.

More details, please. As many as you can give without compromising that person.

change back then gram! someone else gave me SPECIFIC role information about me. that they wouldn't just "guess" at.

Yep, that was a quick move out of the blue. That is one big reason why I moved my vote. He didn't get much more time to do a reveal.

I read what you are referring to. I have a theory about that, and its based alot on just my gut belief. I could be wrong, but in alot of ways this game is somewhat similar to my tombstone game I ran. Different people can find out different information about people. Thomkal states he only finds out someone's allegiance. This other person you refer to, did they know your allegiance or your role only?

This is a very similar mechanism to what I used in Tombstone also.

Gram, mr wed, change back
you are doing the village wrong. yuo haev one minute! c'mon guys!

they mentioned multiple times what my character's occupation was

Holy crap. I go away for a few hours and everything falls apart. I don't know about Mr. W or whomever else got scanned, but I can say that I'm good. Believe me or not, I'M GOOD.

Is it enough to make you move your vote?? You don't have much time.

Um, no. A seer will reveal as late as possible when his butt is on the line.

:confused:

Please elaborate. They looked pretty reasonable to me.

MY VOTE IS NOT GOING BACK TO THOMKAL.

Time

Let's see what the vote says, hold on

If you were the seer, when would you have revealed? 5 hours ago when no one voted for you?

You all belived a guy that didnt' give us his name or occupation in a game where everyone has a name and an occupation! When we didn't lose much by just killing him now! And you're going to kill me tomorrow just for trying to be reasonable! CONGRATULATIONS BAD GUYS, YOU'VE WON THE GAME. I don't know what to say, but this was alarmingly dumb on our part.

well that's a lovely pile of dung we got ourselves into as a village there

alan...do the rules of WW allow you to elaborate on what that other type of tombstone role was?

That's a little different from a seer. To the extent that it does not compromise you or the person, why is knowledge of your character's occupation significant?

Whew, thanks to those who switched off me

If I was the seer I would have at least given my name and occupation when I revealed when those are the only pieces of information we know about people.

Right, so you have one person stating he knows your occupation, and another stating he knows your allegiance but not your occupation.. Put 2 and 2 together.

Alant, if you were the seer, would you look at jonathan, schmidty, and mr w?

Again I tell you all I get is which side they are on. If there are other roles out there that get more information then good for you, but that is all I get.