I liked tonights as well.

Did Echo actually say what he was building? I was distracted a bit and missed that point.

No but I think it's a church.

Yeah, I just didn't want to get lumped in w/ some pessimists. I LOVE this show, just personally, tonight was a little slow for me. This is one of the few episodes that has been like that for me though. And who knows, maybe it's just due to the exam week i'm in.

That was my first thought as well. Wouldn't surprise me, and would end, I think, with some interesting bits with Charlie.

About 10 minutes on the great "Henry Gale" storyline and the rest dedicated to a Hurley backstory which may or may not have much to do with the main plot. Since we don't know, I'll say it was a decent episode...

I agree. I liked this episode because of the way it presented the argument that the whole thing is in one of the character's head. I'd be disappointed if that was the end result, but they did an excellent job with it. Plus, we did learn a little more about the others. Hopefully more next week.

for the record, I too think it might be a church.

I thought the Dave thing was great. At first, it looked like it was just going to be another repeat of Jack seeing his father or Kate seeing the horse. But then it turned out pretty cool (even though I realized pretty early who Dave was).

The Libby thing is quite vexxing. She can't be imaginary, because she's interacted with other characters. right? So if she's real, and happened to be in the same loony bin as Hurley, what's the story? How crazy is she? Did anyone catch the look she gave right at the end of their scene on the cliff as they were walking away, right before they cut to the final "money shot"? I replayed it a couple of times because it was very revealing (not knowing that the next scene was going to be what it was anyway).

I will say that the food orgy thing at the beginning was as dumb as anything the show has done. If I was stuck on that island, and I came across the two of them throwing food away, I think I would make them walk the plank.

The thought that this whole thing is just the alternate reality of a crazy guy is just too cool for words

More Libby = good.

While I enjoyed last night's episode, several things bother me about the potential direction of this show.

**Potential spoilers below**

It worries me that the writers may be listening to the fans too much. For example, the fans ask why Hugo didn't lose any weight or if the hatch/island has a giant magnet and presto, we get an "answer" in tonight's episode. It almost seems that if the fans are clamoring for an answer to a lingering question, the writers feel obliged to create a direct response a few episodes later.

Don't get me wrong, though, I'm not upset that the fans have some impact with the writers of the show. I know most shows' writers mostly ignore their fan base. I just don't want the balance of season 2 and the upcoming seasons to be dictated exclusively by the fans, and I feel like tonight's episode had a bit too many answers to fans' questions for my liking.

Why didn't sayid follow up with henry gale instead of cutting him off...

Henry Gale: I'm just a.......

Pisses me off that in the process of the interrogation, you wouldn't want to know HG role?

**Preview From Next Week Spoiler**





Did anyone else see the scene with a close up of "Henry's" face that they flashed for a couple of seconds at the end of the previews? He looked almost wooden and pretty damn creepy.

Well I think the actor Michael Emerson's got creepy down. Keep in mind the guy was in Saw. If you saw the movie (sorry) you know he can play creepy pretty well. His performance in Lost just attests to this.

We actually backed up and freeze-framed it...unbelievably creepy.

The casting on this show is just amazing.

Was he the orderly in Saw?

Yes.

two thumbs up on the episode. well done.

I liked it too. The next episode looks good. I'm looking forward to it.

I enjoyed the episode. The whole bit with Hurley was lighthearted and then turned into some Wow! moments with his imaginary friend and Libby's revelation. I laughed at several character's comments and the Hurley/Sawyer fight and thought the writing was particularly well done for this episode. It was a nice contrast with the tension over Henry Gale.

Hurley's one of my favorite characters so I'm glad he gets the spotlight from time to time while serving as comic relief most of the other time.

Hurley's imaginary friend was played by Cam Edwards.

I'm almost positive. :)

He's creepy and effective, but he reminds me too much of Kevin Spacey in The Usual Suspects...similar look and line-readings. Still dig him, though...it's good to have a bit of effective menace.

We need to check his Amazon wishlist to see if he needs a new pair of slippers.

funny you should say that. a friend of mind is convinced this guy is a Keyser Soze - the actual ringleader of the Others, pretending to be a lackey.

My girlfriend and I have discussed that possibility as well.

Actually I have seen that actor in a guest starring role on the West Wing as a democratic speechwriter as well as in a guest spot on Six Feet Under as a crazy artist who had homeless veterans wipe their asses with an American flag to protest a war. Those are both right up Cam's alley.

henry looks more and more like gollum every week.

especially in that promo for next week.

i've always thought that.

Me too.

I liked the episode a lot. It was very similar to season 1 episodes IMO.

Same here. It was right after assuring Hurley that he could change, she looked either sad or as if she knew she was lying.

The series had fallen off to the point that I just recorded the past three episodes. I finally watched them last night, and WOW. They are right back on track. Three very good episodes in a row(at least when viewed within a four hour period). The season is redeemed. Not that it was bad before, but my interest had waned a bit.

Dola,

Now I'm waiting for the Dallas Shower scene, revealing that the season...errr... series was a dream.

Something like Hurley coming too several pounds lighter, and several months later. Dave will be there, I'm sure.

The only reason I have doubts about that is that I think I read he only signed on for like 6 or 8 episodes or some such. Of course, nothing says that can't be extended, so anything's possible, or I suppose they could just kill off the ringleader for that matter, too... It's an interesting theory, though, but I think I've just lost enough faith in the writers to come up with something that interesting. Count me in the crowd of those frustrated with loose ends all over the place with no subplots ever wrapped up...

To me it looked as if there was an evil element, as in "helping this guy feel better about himself is all a part of the master plan." Creepy as hell, and one of the best Lost episodes if not THE best.

Can we include actor contract terms in the list of spoilers that we don't discuss in threads like these. I don't want to know who is going to die, or who is more important that others, and discussing contract terms really drops some major hints in these areas.

Ok lets not talk about lost at all anymore. Or maybe we should only be allowed to talk about previous seasons.

Yeah, because that is clearly what I said. :rolleyes:

Considering this thread gets most of its traffic from people discussing the most recent episode, is it so terrible to focus the conversation on what happened and what people think will be happening? Spoilers of any kind have always been frowned upon in these threads.

hey fag, why don't you look at the title of this thread. you might get some insight as to what you'll find inside.

You really are a gigantic ass.

Yes I see the spoilers tag in the title. I've also been in this thread long enough to know that it was added after jbmagic got yelled at for posting spoilers that went beyond that most recent episode. The "brand spanking new spoilers" title was added (just as a new episode sub-title was added after every new show) directly following last week's episode. It will probably be changed after the next new episode.

I added the new thread title because this thread isn't much more than a big turd at this point.

I don't think that just because they are answering questions that fans have asked indicates that they are responding to fan requests. I think fans asked those questions because the show has hinted for us to ask them. The fans have asked hundreds of questions about the series, and had a few answered. I chalk that up to ongoing story.

I'm also in the group of people that believe that the major plot for the series is essentially finalized, and has been from the beginning.

Just now finally watched this episode. And, once again, we are in agreement, good sir.

**spoilers***



Bad news, Michael is back. :mad:

It must be fun to write for Michael. You only have a few options:

1. WALT!!!!1
2. THEY TOOK MY SON!!!
3. THEY TOOK MY BOY!!!
4. I'M GONNA GET MY SON BACK!
5. I'M GOING TO GET BY BOY BACK!

While I enjoyed a new backstory, I was disappointed that tonight's episode didn't focus on Jack and Kate out in the woods more. Oh and we called it- Eko is building a church. "I think I liked you better when you just hit people with your stick." :D

Yawn.

Decent backstory. Boring ass island story.

That was a great line. I liked the back story too. Good stuff. No new episode until May. That's fine, we've got NHL playoffs coming up and the NFL draft. The time will fly by.

Wow. I didn't realize you could do so little in 60 minutes of TV. Congrats LOST writers.

Kids these days... They just can't handle character development and a well-spun yard. Everything's gotta be zip! pow! bang! Now! Now! Now! I reckon MTV's to blame.

What? You didn't enjoy how once again no one tells each other anything that happens, so the group continues to be aimless? No reason Locke should tell anyone about the diagram on the back of the blast doors, right? The brilliant writing continues.

We use to have one Michael, now we have an Island full of them.

I really liked last night's episode. I thought the background story was fantastic and was well connected to the island story. I also enjoyed that island story a ton. I feel like I'm watching a different TV series than lots of people in this thread. Oh well.

That episode sucked ballsacks. Worst one I can remember. Totally uninterested in the couples story and nothing happened until the last 2 minutes.

And it's starting to make almost no sense now. And 3 week hiatus.

sigh

I thought it was a good episode, not every episode should furthe main plot.

On the one hand, I liked the backstory and thought it was pretty well done. On the other hand, now we have another story branch going in another direction, with no end in sight.

I thought it was an Ok episode. Not much really happened in it to further the plot along with the exception of the return of Michael. I was happy to see Rose's and Bernard's backstory, but wasn't as caught up in it as most of the others. Did like the scene between Rose and Locke though.

++ to all of this.

Henry is a lot of fun. I already called the earlier twist with him (they'd find the wreckage...and then find out that he wasn't the real Henry). So I'll speculate here that Henry is not one of the others, mostly because they seem to be doing so much to make him appear to be. Why he's being deceptive about his past, I don't know, but I have a feeling he's going to turn out to be rather benign (maybe he's the missing button pusher?).

Has Harold Perrineau (Michael) been collecting paychecks all season to not be on the show? How many episodes did he miss? Did he even need to be in Hawaii during that time?

Speaking of spoilers, I think I stumbled across one today (or at least a hint of one) and I'm quite annoyed about it. It's dubious enough for me not to put a lot of stock in, but I hate having any advance info on the show. oh well.

Not at all. I just think it's completely obvious what they're doing with this story (stretching time to sell ads). The only reason I watch is because my gf is/was into the show. I guess this is the problem some people had with JJ Abrams' other show.

The Bernard/Rose story, while cool, could've been explained without skimping in 4-5 minutes.

All that to tell us basically how they met, that Bernard is a man of action, that Rose is an emasculating b!tch, and that the island has some sort of force (duh!).

Ummmm...this may be a little strange, but I disagree. I think every background story could be told in 4-5 minutes. I know I'm probably one of the most vocal people against the absolute slowness of this series, but I enjoyed Rose and Bernard's story a lot. Didn't a lot of us complain about another Hurley story or another Charlie story or (gasp!) yet another Jack story? At least we learned something about two people we haven't had a background on yet. Glass half full.

Even if it wasn't that, I think it explained things very well. I was a little confused as to why Rose wouldn't hope they would be rescued...especially since she held out her hope that Bernard would be okay just after the crash. It didn't seem consistent within her character; however, after the story played out, it made her actions seem very plausible. I don't think you could do that within 4-5 minutes.

Overall, I think it was a pretty good episode and much better than the previous ones so far.

Possible spoiler on the numbers.
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/index.html#a0009993957

And a funny comment.

"All the numbers are also retired Yankee's jersey numbers.

And they add up to 108 which is the number of stitches on a baseball. And the number of beads on a rosary.

The numbers have no basis in reality, they pulled some random numbers, perhaps for all we know, FROM the yankee's retired jersey list, just because they needed 6 numbers. "

It's pretty funny that the guy who wrote that is convinced that he's uncovered anything, let alone enough to justify this statement: "I'm kind of sad now that I have solved it, no more mystery."

" The numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 are points along the Becker-Hagens Planetary Grid System." Yeh, so are the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14...

The only way to that grid looks even remotely interesting is because 42 is in the ocean near Australia. But it's in the Indian Ocean--a flight to LA would be going in the opposite direction.

Doc Jensen(linked in that article) has some pretty solid spoiler-free Lost theories, though.

Except the plane turned around to go to back to Sydney and then flew way off course. I seem to remember '1000 miles off course' as what the dying pilot mentioned. It could have been more than that. Does anyone remember? So the Indian Ocean would not be far-fetched. And much closer to Eko's African cocaine plane take-off point. A twin engine Beechcraft (or whatever) going from Africa to the mid-Pacific--even with refueling--strikes me as less possible than the Lost Island being in the Indian Ocean.

Also, mark me down as thinking Not-The-Henry is An Other, in the sense that the Others are not the Dharma project people. The Others are other people who have washed up/crashed on the island over the years--some before Dharma, others after. Not-The-Henry has had run-ins with both groups and fears the Dharma folks the most. He does have some knowledge of the Big Secret, but is keeping it to himself because he trusts no one.

He also does not know Walt and has never met the boy. He heard Jack say the name Walt as a potential trade and simply used the name to mess with Jack's head, much like he's messing with Locke and the numbers. He likely genuinely believes there's no possibility of a trade, but wants Jack to think he, Not-The-Henry, knows much more than he does. He vacilliates between saying he knows stuff and messing with the Losties because that's the kind of nasty little sh*t he is. But he knows nothing of Walt except as a name Jack used.

I enjoyed seeing Scorpius from Farscape (Wayne Pygram) as Isaac Urulu, the healer Rose went to. I closed my eyes to listen to his voice. Very creepy, in the way Scorpius was when he was in Ben Brower's head. If you don't know what I'm talking about, watch the Farscape reruns on WGN.

On the boring versus interesting debate, I'm going to pontificate a bit.

There are two basic ways of telling a story, plot-driven and character-driven. I broadly call these 'action-thrillers' (plot) and Romance stories (character). Most folks prefer one to the other.

Now LOST starts out with a plane crash, monsters and mysteries. This a classic 'thriller' plot development. Those of us who like this expect fast action, fights, and plot twists. If LOST were a movie, it could have been done in 2 1/2 hours, like the Bourne Idenity or Jurassic Park. However, LOST will be at least 66 hours of TV (three seasons) and the network wants those who prefer character-based stories (I'll call this group 'women' for lack of a better term) to watch, too. So we get back stories and love interests, despite those story lines having little bearing on the main plot of what's going on.

So the very success of LOST makes its plot-driven basis impossible. It would already be over if they stuck to the main mystery. Thus, like all long-term TV, it becomes soap opera. There is simply no other way to stretch it out.

What all this means is, there is going to be lots more 'character' padding along the way. The best we can hope for is interesting back stories that mention the magnetism of Ayers Rock and Bernard picking up black rocks and Locke seeing things on lock-down doors and Not-The-Henry lying in interesting ways. The story is unfolding very slowly because it has to follow TV rhythm, not movies.

It would be weird if the series were 108 episodes and the writers had that idea in the beginning.

Lost News:

Do we have a new episode tonight?

next week, I think. then it's 4 in a row to the end of season.

don't quote me on that.

.

Burn!

Tonight episode is a recap of season 2 so far. There going to show highlights.

According to TV guide its new.

Recap episodes are always "new" because the recap has never been aired. I hate recaps.

Recap episodes are useless. If a person cares about the show, he/she will record them and never recap. If a person doesn't care about the show, a recap won't make him/her care.

ditto. Waste of good time.

Plane crashes. Weird conincidences happen. Walt disappears. Michael yells.

Recap over.

I like to check this site to find out the answer

http://www.islostarepeat.com/

Fixed it for ya.

ohh, and hurley eats

No doubt.

Is that for real? I mean, they could never update the site and it would be accurate like 75% of the time. :)

Kewl, the Gwen Stafani guest star episode a la the Gilligan's Island Harlem Globetrotters...only kewler.

And hotter.

why couldn't they have crashed on an island inhabited by hot chicks instead of others

and how come there is nobody playing with themself. I watch Jarhead and the guy is wanking every 5 minutes. Nobody on this island goes to the bathroom either.

its just like 24, no one ever poops.

Oh wait, didn't hurley poop in like season 1.

I don't recall hurley feces.

I mean one day I can buy. 4 months? That's just cooky talk.

wtf, does the hatch even have a toilet? and if so what if they need a plumber? and where does the shower water come from?

The castaways are all too busy not talking to each other about important things to think about things like this.

You could check again next week, but I have seen it change to no for new episodes.

The Ocean is one big toilet.

How about menstration. They need these hard hitting issues.

Every time I watch I am amazed at the lack of communication and teamwork. It's like they are all going for the same promotion and not STRANDED on some island.

If you ever watched Gilligan's Island, you would know the answers to ALL of these questions. :)

"Oh yeah, we found another hatch with a fake beard"

Writing has been miserable this year.

yeah but they had the professor. that guy was a genius.

I've always wanted to bump this thread...

Anyway, new show tonight. Matter of fact, new shows every Wednesday night for the rest of the season.

From wikipedia:

Two for the Road
Announced air date: May 3, 2006
Flashback: Ana-Lucia Cortez
Written by: Elizabeth Sarnoff & Christina M. Kim
Directed by: Paul Edwards
This episode is yet to be aired. The official description for this episode, as found on ABC Medianet website is: Jack and Kate bring an exhausted Michael back to the camp, and with him, news about "The Others." Meanwhile, Ana Lucia attempts to get the prisoner to confess, and Hurley plans a surprise date for Libby.


Check out hxxp://www.thehansofoundation.org by the way.

Finally caught up. Of course all the repeats made it fairly easy to do.

I really hope they listen to the fans and run the series straight through ala 24.

Love the Hanso "commerical!"

Um, wow.

At least Michael's doing something other than screaming "Walt!"

The number rings busy right now.


The moral for tonights episode is not to drink and drive folks.

Ummm, Knights of Columbus!

Holy fucking shit. The first 40 minutes was alright, but the last 5... fuck beans...

well, that was interesting

Lots of new stuff up at http://thehansofoundation.org