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stevew 11-29-2017 08:42 PM

One week you're mopping floors next week it's the fries

RainMaker 11-29-2017 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3186319)
I bet this tax bill lays the groundwork for repealing the ACA. With the mandate already gone the CBO score on a repeal bill will look much better in comparison to the previous bills. All the moderates will say, “Mission Accomplished!” and presto, ACA repeal.


It sounds like they're going after Medicare and SS next. Kind of have to with how much debt this tax plan adds on.

AlexB 11-30-2017 01:47 AM

You know when someone keeps banging on about the same thing despite being in a minority view, despite inconveniences like facts proving them to be wrong? People stop trying to argue and just ignore them.

For me, that is what is happening to the US in global terms - Trump spouting his garbage means I’m now getting tired of any American global politics.

So when Nikki Haley pops up asking for global assistance in isolating N.Korea, I’m thinking, even though in this case she probably has a point, why the hell should we listen to you?

I honestly think it will be the US that gets isolated because of Trump (I’m sure Jon will quite like this idea), and it will simply allow China and Russia to become the world’s largest powers, if they aren’t already (which Jon won’t like)

If there’s any planning involved, it’s incredibly short sighted by Trump to act the way he does, and will end up setting the US back for generations.

mckerney 11-30-2017 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB (Post 3186355)
You know when someone keeps banging on about the same thing despite being in a minority view, despite inconveniences like facts proving them to be wrong? People stop trying to argue and just ignore them.

For me, that is what is happening to the US in global terms - Trump spouting his garbage means I’m now getting tired of any American global politics.

So when Nikki Haley pops up asking for global assistance in isolating N.Korea, I’m thinking, even though in this case she probably has a point, why the hell should we listen to you?

I honestly think it will be the US that gets isolated because of Trump (I’m sure Jon will quite like this idea), and it will simply allow China and Russia to become the world’s largest powers, if they aren’t already (which Jon won’t like)

If there’s any planning involved, it’s incredibly short sighted by Trump to act the way he does, and will end up setting the US back for generations.


That can't be right, Trump said the rest of the world is just now starting to respect the US.


Groundhog 11-30-2017 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexB (Post 3186355)
I honestly think it will be the US that gets isolated because of Trump (I’m sure Jon will quite like this idea), and it will simply allow China and Russia to become the world’s largest powers, if they aren’t already (which Jon won’t like)


It's already happened IMO. The rest of the West (and in some cases the West and Asia) are working together in lieu of the US. The US is the world's largest military power still, but the case could be made that China and Russia, maybe in that order, are the most powerful powers right now.

Edward64 11-30-2017 12:06 PM

Looks more likely that Trump will get a win here.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politi...lan/index.html
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Sen. John McCain said Thursday he will support Senate Republicans' tax plan, a major sign of progress for GOP leaders as the party barrels toward a vote on their overhaul of the US tax system by the end of the week.

McCain, who had remained a wild card and had kept his position on the tax bill unclear even from leadership, said that he came to support the legislation because he believed it had gone through committee and would improve the economic outcome of Americans.

"After careful thought and consideration, I have decided to support the Senate tax reform bill. I believe this legislation, though far from perfect, would enhance American competitiveness, boost the economy, and provide long overdue tax relief for middle class families," McCain said in a released statement Thursday morning. "For months, I have called for a return to regular order, and I am pleased that this important bill was considered through the normal legislative processes, with several hearings and a thorough mark-up in the Senate Finance Committee during which more than 350 amendments were filed and 69 received a vote."

Republicans have 52 members in the Senate, and could only afford to lose two votes and still pass their legislation.

JPhillips 11-30-2017 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3186389)
Looks more likely that Trump will get a win here.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politi...lan/index.html


The text of the Senate bill still isn't public, John.

NobodyHere 11-30-2017 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3186397)
The text of the Senate bill still isn't public, John.


That just proves his maverickness.

JPhillips 11-30-2017 07:06 PM

From Sen. Hatch:

Quote:

But let me tell you something. We're going to do CHIP, there's no question about it in my mind. It has to be done the right way. But we—the reason CHIP is having trouble is because we don't have money anymore. We just add more and more spending and more and more spending, and you can look at the rest of the bill for the more and more spending.

Now excuse me, I need to vote for trillions in revenue cuts.

mckerney 11-30-2017 11:33 PM



Ben E Lou 12-01-2017 08:31 AM

Flynn is pleading guilty to making false statements to the FBI. More indication that he is fingering bigger fish?

Logan 12-01-2017 08:32 AM




Guilty plea coming.

PilotMan 12-01-2017 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3186486)
Flynn is pleading guilty to making false statements to the FBI. More indication that he is fingering bigger fish?


Without question.

One count.

This is a deal of some kind.

mckerney 12-01-2017 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan (Post 3186487)



Guilty plea coming.



Thomkal 12-01-2017 09:49 AM

So "nothing to see" about Russia now Donald?

Ben E Lou 12-01-2017 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3186502)
So "nothing to see" about Russia now Donald?



corbes 12-01-2017 10:26 AM

Here is the criminal information: See the Charges: U.S. v. Michael T. Flynn - The New York Times

Benjamin Wittes on Twitter: "A criminal information, as opposed to an indictment, is almost always a prelude to a negotiated plea agreement."

Benjamin Wittes on Twitter: "Look for the release later today, or very soon, of a stipulation of fact document that will contain much more information."

mckerney 12-01-2017 10:32 AM



Warhammer 12-01-2017 10:38 AM

There is smoke in both camps, I would like to see both campaigns investigated.

stevew 12-01-2017 10:50 AM

Nothing is ever going to come of this. I dunno why we're wasting time and resources on it. He will not be impeached or arrested and will win reelection.

digamma 12-01-2017 10:53 AM

Two people have plead guilty and a third is facing conspiracy charges. That, in and of itself, is not nothing.

digamma 12-01-2017 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer (Post 3186519)
There is smoke in both camps, I would like to see both campaigns investigated.


Yes, yes, many fine people on both sides.

Flasch186 12-01-2017 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3186525)
Yes, yes, many fine people on both sides.


Bwahahahahahahah President Clinton should be ashamed of herself!!

JPhillips 12-01-2017 11:27 AM

From the President's lawyer:

Quote:

Today, Michael Flynn, a former National Security Advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump Administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI.

lol

stevew 12-01-2017 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3186524)
Two people have plead guilty and a third is facing conspiracy charges. That, in and of itself, is not nothing.


What's the end game though? Not going to be impeachment/indictment or a resignation. What's the victory? Donald Jr. In cuffs basically?

JPhillips 12-01-2017 11:37 AM

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the pee tapes are real.

stevew 12-01-2017 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3186535)
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the pee tapes are real.


Oh I'm sure all of it is real. Piss tapes. 14 year old hookers. Etc etc.

Make America great again and hang traitors

RedKingGold 12-01-2017 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3186533)
What's the end game though? Not going to be impeachment/indictment or a resignation. What's the victory? Donald Jr. In cuffs basically?


I'm pretty sure a deterrent effect on any future election is a worthy goal.

jeff061 12-01-2017 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3186536)
Oh I'm sure all of it is real. Piss tapes. 14 year old hookers. Etc etc.

Make America great again and hang traitors


I thought they were a little too far fetched. Then Trump recently started trying to say the Billy Bush tapes were faked. And I read an article on Russia targeting him in the 80s (and any other high profile Americans with potential political aspirations), goals to gather information, turn if possible and and gather compromising information.

stevew 12-01-2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061 (Post 3186542)
I thought they were a little too far fetched. Then Trump recently started trying to say the Billy Bush tapes were faked. And I read an article on Russia targeting him in the 80s (and any other high profile Americans with potential political aspirations), goals to gather information, turn if possible and and gather compromising information.


Oh yeah, that was a great article. Read that too.

mckerney 12-01-2017 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3186531)
From the President's lawyer:



lol


So all they've got so far is one of Obama's generals and a coffee boy.

Edward64 12-01-2017 01:02 PM

Yup, seems that Flynn has flipped.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/01/us-s...he-agenda.html
Quote:

Michael Flynn (L), former national security advisor to President Donald Trump, arrives for his plea hearing at the Prettyman Federal Courthouse December 1, 2017 in Washington, DC. Markets fall on ABC News report that Flynn is prepared to testify on Trump and Russia

Stocks fell Friday on a report that Michael Flynn was directed by President Trump to talk to Russians.

ABC News reported that Flynn, the former national security adviser, would testify that he was directed to make contact with Russians during the presidential campaign in 2016. Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his postelection contacts with Russia's ambassador to the U.S.

Marc Vaughan 12-01-2017 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKingGold (Post 3186539)
I'm pretty sure a deterrent effect on any future election is a worthy goal.


Yeah that is the intent of this investigation - let future candidates know there are consequences no matter if they're President or not ..

CrescentMoonie 12-01-2017 01:19 PM

Kushner Is Said to Have Ordered Flynn to Contact Russia - Bloomberg

CrescentMoonie 12-01-2017 01:58 PM

That's some next level trolling.

Comey Makes His Instagram Debut With a Bible Verse on ‘Justice’ - Bloomberg

jeff061 12-01-2017 02:09 PM

Comey is a moronic prima donna.

JPhillips 12-01-2017 02:43 PM

The Senate is pretending to have debate and amendments on the tax bill, but the plan is to have the last amendment offered by a complete substitution of the bill language with what has been agreed to previously by the GOP.

I'm so old I remember when the GOP promised to have three days between making a bill public and voting.

RainMaker 12-01-2017 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3186585)
The Senate is pretending to have debate and amendments on the tax bill, but the plan is to have the last amendment offered by a complete substitution of the bill language with what has been agreed to previously by the GOP.

I'm so old I remember when the GOP promised to have three days between making a bill public and voting.


Remember when they cared about the deficit?

Edward64 12-01-2017 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3186564)


I'm sure he knows he gets an automatic and free get-out-of-jail card.

To be fair, I can see where Kushner did not understand the consequences of his actions/direction back then.

Edward64 12-01-2017 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061 (Post 3186583)
Comey is a moronic prima donna.


No problem here, someone that treats me like dirt and fires me like that, sure I'll get back at them.

RainMaker 12-01-2017 03:03 PM

So the guy who screamed "lock her up" at the Republican Convention just happened to have committed some light treason.

mckerney 12-01-2017 07:54 PM



RainMaker 12-01-2017 08:46 PM

So college endowments get taxed unless they have ties to DeVos. LOL

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/01/demo...e-college.html

I mean I guess if you're going to pass an unpopular tax bill that fucks over people, might as well really go all-in and appease all your donors and buddies.

CrescentMoonie 12-01-2017 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3186629)
So college endowments get taxed unless they have ties to DeVos. LOL

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/01/demo...e-college.html

I mean I guess if you're going to pass an unpopular tax bill that fucks over people, might as well really go all-in and appease all your donors and buddies.


DeVos went to Calvin, not Hillsdale. Her chief of staff, however...

cuervo72 12-01-2017 09:09 PM

Notable alumni: Erik Prince, Navy SEAL and founder of Blackwater.

(aka Betsy DeVos's brother)

RainMaker 12-01-2017 09:17 PM

Why don't we make it easier and just let them decide what companies and people don't have to pay any taxes? Like just make a list of friends that are exempt. It appears that's where we are at.

RainMaker 12-01-2017 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3186632)
DeVos went to Calvin, not Hillsdale. Her chief of staff, however...


She's a huge donor to the school.

JPhillips 12-01-2017 09:40 PM

Quote:

GOP Senator Ron Johnson -

"You really don't read this kind of legislation."

I actually agree with this, but after all the shit about reading the ACA I hope all the GOP gets killed over statements like this.

Is there anything that the GOP has complained about that applies to them as well? Literally, any single thing?

Izulde 12-02-2017 01:10 AM

RIP America.

PilotMan 12-02-2017 07:03 AM

I'm just happy that they got those tax breaks for plane owners in there. I mean, that along really simplifies the tax code and helps our country win.

I also can't wait until I hear all the amazing things that are in this thing. All the last minute adjustments that I know will benefit all of us! It's like a special Christmas present where it's all a secret, then BOOM nothing but WINNING!


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