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Thomkal 11-26-2017 02:56 PM

don't forget that fake Time cover in Trump Tower too (and the fact that Time said that's not how their selection works)

BBT 11-27-2017 11:18 AM



JPhillips 11-27-2017 11:41 AM

It's too bad that there aren't any other elected officials with powers that could be used to compel the President to execute the law.

cuervo72 11-27-2017 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3185730)
don't forget that fake Time cover in Trump Tower too (and the fact that Time said that's not how their selection works)


The Kochs own Time, Inc. now, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thomkal 11-27-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3185909)
The Kochs own Time, Inc. now, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I saw that, and heard chatter (not sure if its true) that they have a non-inteference clause with Time's editorial management. So we will have to wait and see I guess to see how much they might change.

Ben E Lou 11-27-2017 02:31 PM

This. Fool. Right. Here.



bronconick 11-27-2017 02:33 PM

Wonder how you say "jackass" in Navajo?

CU Tiger 11-27-2017 03:00 PM

Bu...WHa...I don't even kno...

WHAT THE FAWK YOU SMOKIN DUDE?

JPhillips 11-27-2017 03:55 PM

And they're standing in front of a picture of Andrew Jackson.

PilotMan 11-27-2017 03:57 PM

Worst still, the official White House position is that it's completely incorrect to say that what he said was a racial slur.

NobodyHere 11-27-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3185954)
And they're standing in front of a picture of Andrew Jackson.


Well I'm sure Indians fought quite bravely against him (except for Pocahontas, she didn't fight against him at all!)

Atocep 11-27-2017 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3185954)
And they're standing in front of a picture of Andrew Jackson.


Trump's people compare him to Andrew Jackson so Andrew Jackson only did good things.

CU Tiger 11-27-2017 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3185955)
Worst still, the official White House position is that it's completely incorrect to say that what he said was a racial slur.


I dont think its a racial slur at all, unless I'm just totally missing something, I just think its awkward, stupid, clumsy, ridiculous and irrelevant.

larrymcg421 11-27-2017 04:53 PM

It's not a slur on its own. It's a slur because of the way it was used.

digamma 11-27-2017 05:01 PM

And because of the way he's used it for the last 18 months. It truly is deplorable.

PilotMan 11-27-2017 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger (Post 3185972)
I dont think its a racial slur at all, unless I'm just totally missing something, I just think its awkward, stupid, clumsy, ridiculous and irrelevant.


So he would have been alright to call Shinzo Abe, "Jackie Chan" on his last trip?

Yeah, it's awkward, stupid, clumsy, ridiculous, and irrelevant, but itsn't it also beyond that?

Atocep 11-27-2017 05:59 PM

Saying Pocahontas obviously isn't racially offensive. Saying it in a derogatory manner that labels an entire race is absolutely offensive and racist. I'm sure no one would have a problem with me calling every black person I know Kunta Kinte.

Doing this at a ceremony meant to honor Navajo code talkers shows his ignorance. Having the ceremony in front of a portrait of Andrew Jackson turned it into a trainwreck.

RainMaker 11-27-2017 06:02 PM

I don't think it's a racial slur. It seems a bit insulting to me to use a revered figure like that.

Just seems childish and immature more than anything.

Edward64 11-27-2017 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3185989)
I'm sure no one would have a problem with me calling every black person I know Kunta Kinte.


Assuming they are old enough to remember Roots (vs the remake who no one watched), I actually think many would be offended. Just IMO though.

miami_fan 11-27-2017 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3185989)
I'm sure no one would have a problem with me calling every black person I know Kunta Kinte.



It's 2017, are you really sure?

larrymcg421 11-27-2017 06:54 PM

Found two broken sarcasm meters.

Edward64 11-27-2017 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3186012)
Found two broken sarcasm meters.


Ah, I'm slow ... but wait, are you sure?

larrymcg421 11-27-2017 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3186014)
Ah, I'm slow ... but wait, are you sure?


Yes. The opposite interpretation makes no sense given the preceding sentence.

Autumn 11-28-2017 08:44 AM

Well, the way Trump is using "Pocahontas" as I understand it, is not to slur Native Americans, but to slur the idea that Warren claimed she is Native American when she may not be. So I suppose it's kind of like calling someone a wigger? Insensitive and crude, but I'm not sure I'd classify it as racist. More like racist-adjacent. If he really thought she was Native American and called her that, I think that would be a racial slur.

digamma 11-28-2017 09:14 AM

Look there are plenty of fine people on both sides of the is this racist debate.

JPhillips 11-28-2017 09:23 AM

Think of it this way, would we tolerate anyone under similar circumstances calling a person Shylock?

Butter 11-28-2017 09:26 AM

The NFL still has a fucking team called the Redskins, so I think we can all agree that racism against Native Americans barely moves the needle for anyone, no matter how inappropriate this was.

If anything, I'm more bothered by Trump not being able to keep his stupid ego bullshit to himself for 5 minutes while honoring some of the most heroic people this country has ever produced, no matter what the dig was. That it was racially tinged is just icing on the stupid cake.

Atocep 11-28-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3186083)
Well, the way Trump is using "Pocahontas" as I understand it, is not to slur Native Americans, but to slur the idea that Warren claimed she is Native American when she may not be. So I suppose it's kind of like calling someone a wigger? Insensitive and crude, but I'm not sure I'd classify it as racist. More like racist-adjacent. If he really thought she was Native American and called her that, I think that would be a racial slur.


The difference there is you have a made up term while Trump is using a native American hero to demean someone and has been asked by multiple Native American groups to stop doing so.

Ben E Lou 11-28-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3186089)
The NFL still has a fucking team called the Redskins, so I think we can all agree that racism against Native Americans barely moves the needle for anyone, no matter how inappropriate this was.




Quote:

If anything, I'm more bothered by Trump not being able to keep his stupid ego bullshit to himself for 5 minutes while honoring some of the most heroic people this country has ever produced, no matter what the dig was.
This. Arguing over whether it was "racist" vs "racially tinged" vs "awkward, stupid, clumsy, ridiculous and irrelevant" seems silly to me. Our country royally screwed over these people. How about just honor them and stfu.

Ben E Lou 11-28-2017 01:09 PM

Little Rocket Man shootin' off more rockets.

Edward64 11-28-2017 06:11 PM

Trump didn't have much to say.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politi...nch/index.html
Quote:

President Donald Trump told reporters at the White House on Tuesday that the United States "will handle" the situation in North Korea after the rogue nation launched yet another intercontinental ballistic missile earlier in the day.

"We will take care of it," Trump said, adding later that North Korea "is a situation that we will handle."

The Pentagon confirmed earlier Tuesday that North Korea launched what the US military believes to be an intercontinental ballistic missile.

Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis told reporters that the North Korean missile test went "higher, frankly, than any previous shot they have taken."

Mattis made remarks as he sat in on a meeting with Trump, House Speaker Ryan and Senate Majority Leader McConnell. The defense secretary added that North Korea has the ability to hit "everywhere in the world basically."

Groundhog 11-28-2017 06:33 PM

Trump will take care of it though, so no need to concern ourselves.

Galaril 11-28-2017 09:25 PM

So that was a true ICBM it now appears that launched with a 8000-9000 mile range well within range of Washington DC or New York.

Marc Vaughan 11-29-2017 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3186168)
So that was a true ICBM it now appears that launched with a 8000-9000 mile range well within range of Washington DC or New York.


Is anyone truly surprised that North Korea ramped up their missile program in the light of Trump threatening them? ... it was a sensible thing to do from the perspective of a country which is trying to prevent itself being attacked, it's given them the ability to retaliate directly against US aggression ... 'thanks Mr. Trump'.

PS - In other news Trump retweeted three posts by a member of the British BNP (basically our KKK political arm) this morning ... ffs ...

JPhillips 11-29-2017 06:52 AM

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By 2019 under GOP tax plan, "federal deficits would total more than $900 billion or 4.4% of GDP. This would be the largest deficit in the post-war era outside the aftermath of a recession" - JPMorgan

Imagine how bad things will be if the economy isn't booming as projected.

Flasch186 11-29-2017 06:54 AM

Whatever happened to raise taxes when the economy is expanding and cut when the economy is contracting?

bronconick 11-29-2017 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3186201)
Imagine how bad things will be if the economy isn't booming as projected.



It'll be time to cut Medicare and Social Security to balance the budget.

Feature, not bug.

JPhillips 11-29-2017 07:45 AM

Trump spent the morning retweeting Fascists from the UK. WEEEEE!

JPhillips 11-29-2017 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3186204)
It'll be time to cut Medicare and Social Security to balance the budget.

Feature, not bug.


They'll never cut them enough to come close to balance. In 2016 SS/Medicare/Medicaid expenses were @2 trillion. They aren't politically stupid enough to cut those programs by 40 or 50 percent.

whomario 11-29-2017 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3186208)
Trump spent the morning retweeting Fascists from the UK. WEEEEE!


some background info : Donald Trump retweets Britain First deputy leader's Islamophobic posts | The Independent

QuikSand 11-29-2017 08:59 AM

Depressing take on our leader:

Is Trump’s alternate reality full of lies … or something even worse? - The Washington Post

Money quote:

Quote:

It's tempting to look at all of the falsehoods and see a guy who just can't stop lying — or, more charitably, “a savvy marketer protecting his brand, as any businessman or politician would,” as some aides described Trump to The Post. If that's what he's doing, critics argue, shouldn't we call a lie a lie?

But these stories and plenty more before them reinforce the alternative: Trump does not grasp basic facts. I've written before about the “Stupid or Liar” theory — basically, the idea that someone who spews such falsehoods is either being deliberately deceptive or has no judgment. The takeaway is that neither is a good option, and the latter might actually be worse, because it suggests an intellectual deficit.

I have vented before about my frustration (and increasingly, exhaustion) in thinking about all this stuff, and what interpretation is best. I have sympathy for the goldfish theory. Not sure where to place the "intellectually unmoored" theory right now.

Kodos 11-29-2017 09:11 AM

I still think he is in the early stages of dementia.

Ben E Lou 11-29-2017 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3186223)
I still think he is in the early stages of dementia.

I have wondered this more than anything else.

RainMaker 11-29-2017 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3186223)
I still think he is in the early stages of dementia.


I don't know. He's been this way for some time now. And when you look back on how he acted in the 80's and 90's it's pretty cringe-worthy.

I'm thinking it's just a bit of stupid and liar.

Atocep 11-29-2017 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3186284)
I don't know. He's been this way for some time now. And when you look back on how he acted in the 80's and 90's it's pretty cringe-worthy.

I'm thinking it's just a bit of stupid and liar.


I tend to agree. It's not all that surprising he's become a hero for the socially awkward and misogynistic millennials.

whomario 11-29-2017 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3186201)
Imagine how bad things will be if the economy isn't booming as projected.


They will find someone who delivers the real and true statistics that show it actually does boom despite all the fake news media and liberal organisations claiming it doesn't. Problem solved.

cuervo72 11-29-2017 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3186284)
I don't know. He's been this way for some time now. And when you look back on how he acted in the 80's and 90's it's pretty cringe-worthy.

I'm thinking it's just a bit of stupid and liar.


Yes - he's pretty much always been like this. I really don't know why anyone would be surprised.

RainMaker 11-29-2017 05:33 PM

LOL

Trump's Counselor Kellyanne Conway Is Now His Opioids Czar

JPhillips 11-29-2017 06:58 PM

I bet this tax bill lays the groundwork for repealing the ACA. With the mandate already gone the CBO score on a repeal bill will look much better in comparison to the previous bills. All the moderates will say, “Mission Accomplished!” and presto, ACA repeal.

cuervo72 11-29-2017 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3186314)


It's like he has a dozen people and just keeps shifting them between jobs.


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