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AENeuman 11-05-2017 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3182601)
I have seen studies that say reducing personal income tax rates do not necessarily impact the economy. I haven't seen much on corporate tax rates.


It seems if the decrease in tax revenue does not cause cuts in government spending AND the ensuing deficit increase doesn’t bother/effect people- then, sure, good idea.

RainMaker 11-05-2017 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3182649)
How about small businesses who don't have this cash hoard, would they spend the savings on themselves personally or plough some of it into the business? or possibly new small business that are created because of the business friendly environment?


Small businesses are using tax structures like LLC where profits are passed through to the owners. This doesn't benefit them at all.

As for the cash flow of big businesses, banks are healthy and profitable companies should have no problem borrowing or luring investors.

RainMaker 11-05-2017 12:38 PM

Paradise Papers coming up with some fascinating stuff. Maybe their love of Russia is because they want America to be setup like a kleptocracy too.

Trump commerce secretary's business links with Putin family laid out in leaked files | News | The Guardian

The wealthy men in Trump's inner circle with links to tax havens | News | The Guardian

Marc Vaughan 11-05-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3182653)
No doubt those are pretty significant issues. I'm happy with strong economic and stock market growth to start of with.


Stock market I'll give you economic growth isn't truly stronger than under Obama - its just better marketed by Trump.

First off he originally claimed he'd get 5% growth not the 3% he's now touting as 'great' ... secondly 3% growth in a quarter isn't unusual, Obama did that regularly and even several a 4% and 5% growth in fairly recent quarters (2012, 13 & 14) ... he just didn't tweet about them ;)

You can expect the next quarter growth to be lower as traditionally the winter and spring quarters have lower growth - so overall GDP under Trump is fairly normal tbh, which you'd expect as nothing has changed from Obama yet.

• Real GDP growth in the United States, by quarter 2011-2017 | Statistic

JPhillips 11-05-2017 06:24 PM

The fact that Rand Paul's assailant was a neighbor and that nothing is coming out as to motive is very strange.

Edward64 11-05-2017 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3182727)
The fact that Rand Paul's assailant was a neighbor and that nothing is coming out as to motive is very strange.


Yup. My guess is it went beyond political views.

cuervo72 11-05-2017 06:27 PM

Article said it was "fourth degree assault." What'd he do, throw an egg at him?

PilotMan 11-05-2017 06:30 PM

hey, Rand Paul requires that you address him as Dr. Rand Paul. Get it right.

Edward64 11-05-2017 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 3182673)
Stock market I'll give you economic growth isn't truly stronger than under Obama - its just better marketed by Trump.

First off he originally claimed he'd get 5% growth not the 3% he's now touting as 'great' ... secondly 3% growth in a quarter isn't unusual, Obama did that regularly and even several a 4% and 5% growth in fairly recent quarters (2012, 13 & 14) ... he just didn't tweet about them ;)


Agree on the stock market. On economic growth, also agree on his bluster.

But wasn't thinking about now on economic growth. What I was proposing revisiting in 2-3 years is -- after the tax plan is passed with significant corp tax reduction from 35% to 20%, that economic growth (assume GDP/GNP) will increase.

Also, as RM pointed out, small businesses will also be impacted by the reduction/simplification of personal tax rates (vs corporate tax rate reduction) and other various proposals in the tax plan.

Not sure how to "measure" this but think there'll be plenty of articles for us to digest and comment on.

PilotMan 11-05-2017 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3182729)
Article said it was "fourth degree assault." What'd he do, throw an egg at him?


Supposedly, he has 5 broken ribs.

Edward64 11-05-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3182729)
Article said it was "fourth degree assault." What'd he do, throw an egg at him?


There were some fractured ribs. Pretty serious I think.

Rand Paul recovering from 5 broken ribs - Chicago Tribune
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Rand Paul was recovering Sunday from five broken ribs after he was assaulted by a neighbor who tackled him from behind at the senator's Kentucky home, officials said.

JPhillips 11-05-2017 07:45 PM

That only makes a misdemeanor assault and no motive even more strange.

Shkspr 11-05-2017 09:04 PM

Well you have to figure that the initial assault didn't break any of the ribs. Rather, Rand broke those ribs himself because as a libertarian he doesn't feel it necessary to rely on society to do anything for him.

digamma 11-06-2017 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3182316)
It's a big tax cut for 1%ers who are not W2 employees or people who utilize SPVs or other vehicles to operate businesses. Like, you know, real estate developers.


@sethhanlon has an excellent thread about how the tax bill looks like it was written by Trump's accountant.

Seth Hanlon on Twitter: "The Republican tax bill looks like it was written by Donald Trump’s accountants and tax lawyers, and I’m not even joking. 1/"

Ben E Lou 11-06-2017 07:02 AM

I could've sworn I read that the guy tackled him from behind while Paul was cutting his grass and that there was a history of disagreement between the two of them about grass-cutting. I assumed Paul was either cutting his grass too early in the morning (WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE) for some lazy neighbor, or perhaps there was a disagreement about cutting near the property line, and the dude snapped and tackled.

PilotMan 11-06-2017 07:23 AM

If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, then fuck you.

Ben E Lou 11-06-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3182796)
If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, then fuck you.

Lazybones. :p

cartman 11-06-2017 07:37 AM


Logan 11-06-2017 08:55 AM

Russian Twitter Support for Trump Began Right After He Started Campaign

QuikSand 11-06-2017 10:51 AM

I know this is just point-and-laugh stuff at this point (that our POTUS is, ahem, "enthusiastically ignorant" is already well understood) but... oh wow...

Mark Knoller on Twitter: "Pres Trump asks Japanese auto makers if they could build their cars in the US and not just ship them over."

(Knoller is no agenda buy, either, he seems to be the straightest shooter of the pool reporters, as nearly as I can tell)




later edit, with more detail out: see my follow-up apology here: https://forums.operationsports.com/f...postcount=7278

bronconick 11-06-2017 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3182821)
I know this is just point-and-laugh stuff at this point (that our POTUS is, ahem, "enthusiastically ignorant" is already well understood) but... oh wow...

Mark Knoller on Twitter: "Pres Trump asks Japanese auto makers if they could build their cars in the US and not just ship them over."

(Knoller is no agenda buy, either, he seems to be the straightest shooter of the pool reporters, as nearly as I can tell)



This is basically like Palin in Game Change, except much, much worse.

BBT 11-06-2017 11:26 AM




BBT 11-06-2017 11:31 AM

DOLA




Kodos 11-06-2017 11:54 AM

How is it not a guns situation?

BBT 11-06-2017 12:29 PM

Because NRA

PilotMan 11-06-2017 12:33 PM

I'm not sure it's mental health at all. More along the lines of Red Neck Piece of Shit.

QuikSand 11-06-2017 01:31 PM

FWIW, now that the full comment from Trump on the Japanese auto manufacturers is out, I think it's pretty clear that he was neither confused nor unaware of them having a major presence in the US. He was lauding two companies for their recent expanded US investment and urging more of the same, which is quite reasonable. Sorry for the pile-on above.

JPhillips 11-06-2017 02:38 PM

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“The unfortunate occurrence of November 3rd has absolutely nothing to do with either’s politics or political agendas,” Matthew Baker, the lawyer for Rene Boucher, wrote in a Twitter post on Monday.
Baker said his client has been Paul’s neighbor in Bowling Green for 17 years and they even worked together when they were practicing doctors.

“It was a very regrettable dispute between two neighbors over a matter that most people would regard as trivial,” Baker wrote, without elaborating.

So trivial that both men are keeping it secret.

JPhillips 11-06-2017 03:55 PM

dola

The Saudis are saying they consider Lebanon to have declared war. This could get out of hand quickly and spark a regional Sunni/Shia war if Jared isn't able to fix it.

digamma 11-06-2017 04:11 PM

If Jared can't bring peace to the Middle East, no one can. He's really great.

RainMaker 11-06-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3182864)
So trivial that both men are keeping it secret.




larrymcg421 11-06-2017 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3182796)
If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, then fuck you.


+1

CrescentMoonie 11-06-2017 05:25 PM

Nice little timeline of the 9 known Trump associates with ties to Russia.

Russians in Trump’s orbit during the campaign and presidential transition - Washington Post

JPhillips 11-06-2017 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3182882)



I can totally understand a leaf blowing fight.

Toddzilla 11-06-2017 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3182796)
If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, then fuck you.

If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, i'm going to bail that guy out, fly him over, and give him a nice helping of bath salts before I turn him loose on you.

thesloppy 11-06-2017 11:34 PM

I reserve most of that kind of rage for the recycling trucks that beep every time they move ten feet and gleefully crush massive amounts of glass together at 6am every wednesday. WHO SANCTIONED THIS? THEY ALL MUST DIE!

Thomkal 11-07-2017 06:09 AM

Interesting (Sad?) approach to Trump's fight against climate change-use kids in lawsuits against him:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1D62UW

I think his admin is in real trouble with lawsuits after the climate change report they were forced to release last week

JPhillips 11-07-2017 03:15 PM

Ed Gillespie is a perfect encapsulation of my problems with the GOP. I doubt he's personally racist, but he's built his entire campaign on encouraging the worst thoughts of racist voters. Too many GOP electeds have been doing this for years and there's a direct line from this crap to electing Trump.

Thomkal 11-07-2017 04:03 PM

Today marks the end for Governor Christie, he of the about 16% approval rating. For which the people of New Jersey can rejoice. Perhaps they will have a party on the beach he closed down for all but his family to celebrate.

RainMaker 11-07-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3183001)
Ed Gillespie is a perfect encapsulation of my problems with the GOP. I doubt he's personally racist, but he's built his entire campaign on encouraging the worst thoughts of racist voters. Too many GOP electeds have been doing this for years and there's a direct line from this crap to electing Trump.


That's the base. You don't get to pass unpopular policies unless you give them something they want.

JPhillips 11-07-2017 04:46 PM

Oh I understand the strategy, but they can't complain when they get called on their white nationalist bullshit. They encourage this monster election after election. At some point it doesn't matter if you're a racist, if you continually rely on racist appeals to win.

RainMaker 11-07-2017 05:24 PM

Where do they find these weirdos?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex.../#28bbfa567515

sabotai 11-07-2017 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3183018)
Today marks the end for Governor Christie, he of the about 16% approval rating. For which the people of New Jersey can rejoice. Perhaps they will have a party on the beach he closed down for all but his family to celebrate.


That fat sack of shit can't leave Trenton soon enough for me. A corrupt embarrassment in the Governor's mansion, as is tradition.

And no surprise, as soon as the polls closed, Phil Murphy (D) is projected to be the next governor.

Atocep 11-07-2017 07:22 PM

Virginia was projected to be a tight race, but has already been called for Northam.

Jas_lov 11-07-2017 07:35 PM

And Dems might also have a chance to flip the House of Delegates in Virginia.

CrescentMoonie 11-07-2017 07:41 PM

Northam in a walkover. Also, VA makes pretty big news with Danica Roem.

We're seeing the Trump effect quite solidly tonight. He's a godsend for the near future of the Democratic Party.

Chief Rum 11-07-2017 07:49 PM

Is there anyway at all that the UCLA shoplifting incident timed with the Trump east Asia tour will somehow result in a war of words between Trump and Lavar Ball?

Please tell me there is. I would find this immensely satisfying.

CrescentMoonie 11-07-2017 08:11 PM

Former WWE/TNA wrestler Matt Morgan elected to the city council of Longwood, FL.

mckerney 11-07-2017 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3183050)
Northam in a walkover. Also, VA makes pretty big news with Danica Roem.

We're seeing the Trump effect quite solidly tonight. He's a godsend for the near future of the Democratic Party.


Unless you're Donald Trump.



mckerney 11-07-2017 08:26 PM

Danica Roem wins in Virginia, becoming first openly transgender state representative - The Washington Post

The author of a trans bathroom bill in Virginia lost his seat to a transgender woman.


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