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Reading back over D1 deadline stuff, there's this comment from Autumn, which would encourage people to avoid people like Brit, who had just gotten his second vote from CR. Abe then called him out for saying mau was quiet. |
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Another comment that would like to see people move from Jackal, font, and brit. (maybe I'll start grabbing all the comments in one thread) |
I also remembered Brit's comment about Autumn feeling very good making me wonder if he was our seer trying to drop a hint. Well, that's obviously not the case.
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I also find this interesting, after Autumn came up as Larry Dallas and wolf. |
Font makes a number of points regarding Brit. Post 456 where as she points out Autumn starts by highlighting the strongest point not to vote for Brit is particularly bad.
I also read back over bholly d1 and d2. He has some interactions with Autumn, but nothing that feels like coordination or either trying to protect each other. He even said his Autumn wolf sensors were tingling D2. So yeah, pretty convinced Brit looks bad here. |
Vote Brit
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I haven't had a great run the past couple days, so if people want I'm happy to talk about my role ability and use it as directed by those who have done better.
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Well...all of the seer roles have some uncertainty about them: Burns: paranoid = scans may not always be accurate Skippy: if scanned, all other scans by scanner will result in opposite read So there could have been an unreliable read on Autumn, or the seer (Burns) could have scanned Skippy N0 then Autumn N1 which would show Autumn as town. That's an unlikely series of events so I'm not defending brit by any means. Just wanted to tug the reins on thinking this was definitive. |
Sorry: "the seer role..."
Was including Skippy's possible impact on seer but there is just one seer. |
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Congrats, Abe! |
JAG and font make compelling enough cases for me to land an initial vote. Thanks for the leg work in digging up posts!
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vote brit
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Good points. |
Morning all! Let's get caught up
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Keep tarcone alive still?
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Morning, thread! We've got a runaway on our hands!
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I'd like to keep Tarcone alive because she's not been around for a long time, but it;s Day 3, time to start kickign the tires of the quieter people.
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Re: the extra vote: compare post 409 with the initial deadline tally you quoted in post 413. The extra vote was on Jackal when only Bhlloy and myself were included. I've already disclaimed the extra-vote power. Then there's this: Quote:
This is the reason for just about my last bit of suspicion toward Font. I'll circle back to Telle's good point that it may be a slightly different mechanic at play than doubling the player's deadline vote--it could be a secretly assigned extra vote, it could stick to the first person voted on that day, so on. |
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Thanks for this. I agree that I look to be pretty well entangled with Autumn. There are a couple of instances where you make a statement and a passing reference to time, though, where the time that lapsed was rather important. (The run-up to the D1 lynch sticks out in my mind.) |
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I concur that the quiet approach to D2 deadline likely suggests that we had Goods in the running. |
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Fortunately, you're only half-right. ;) |
I know a lot of you have been doing vote analysis quite ably. Good job!
I wanted to do some night analysis Here's what we know: N1 - One death, it was the BG N2 - No deaths Now, we know that Autumn had the playboy interferer thing going. Taking out the BG on N1 is tough. Either Julio was targeted or was guarding the target, and in some rules sets, I've seen the BG die when that happens, but note an interesting set of words used in the N1 kill, that he died with a smile on his face happy. Could that have been Dallas the playboy either interfering with his BG ness to get him killed or maybe even the killer? Someone else? Or was it just GM EF flowery language. I suspect the N1 language of happiness fits Dallas as the killer, now that we know that role, so watch future night kills for language to see if they connect up. On N2, we have no kills or anything in thread. I'd love to hear more about what happened. And what |
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Here is the N1 results, and I bolded the interesting part. At teh time, I thought it was just flowery language, but now that we know Autumn;s role, it seems to connect,. |
This is a tough spot. I'm on my way to being run up (all 4 votes on me thus far), and I'm struggling to offer a good alternative to myself for lynch today. I keep thinking that maybe someone in the talented trio of JAG, Font, and Bhlloy could be our last Bad (given that several others are meta-cleared), but they all seem to be playing good games.
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So, for the sake of Good having full information, I'll come out with my special knowledge, let you process that, and then, presuming that I still die (because I don't expect this to exonerate me), use today's discussion to inform tomorrow's discussion.
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Alright, I'm off, going to be away for a few hours, may not be back until 3:00 ish
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I'm Wayne Arnold, the bully. I'm town (even as my analysis suggested the role would likely be Bad--I was surprised I ended up Good). My power is to redirect a player's night action to a player of my choosing.
As deadline approached on D1, my vote was on Jackal, but I was carrying a suspicion of Font (which led to my D2 vote on her). So I put in the order to redirect Font's night action to JAG (whom I have lingering gut suspicions of; see above). On D2, I didn't use my power at all, because it actually seems rather chaotic and probably not useful to the village, on net. Now, with Font suggesting she may have the extra vote, I'm concerned she doesn't have a night action that she would have seen redirected to JAG. I'm also concerned that if she's the remaining Bad (low odds, but still), she'll refute my claim in any case. That's what I have. |
vote JAG
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Not going on much other than a relative downtick in involvement/analysis, even as JAG has said that he's been fairly busy IRL.
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For the village's sake, I'd rather that some viable alternative candidate be put forward. If we tunnel on me, we won't like the result and the lack of illumination conversation/vote history that we get moving forward.
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In fact if you read back, my involvement ramped up from the beginning of the week when auditors were here. With all the info available from the past two days, this does not seem like a great case for voting me (granted I might be a bit biased here...) |
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Because the game will be over? Maybe EF will make us have to eliminate the neutral role for bonus credit. |
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By the way, this was a good catch Abe. I didn't pay much attention to the write up. I'm not sure we can do much with the info though. |
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I'm a little frazzled for having read Autumn so incorrectly. But then, you gave him a tip-of-the-hat for his play, so... :p |
(I would really hope that if Tarc is the last Bad, and hasn't posted in >48 hours, that EF would just call the game for Good.)
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JAG, where would you vote next if I were off the table?
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Yeah, I don't know what that means but like you say, the odds of the BG successfully protecting on N1 are pretty low Also I don't think the N2 lack of kill is anything good for the village, as somebody (JAG?) already pointed out I think we have to look at tarcone tomorrow, just for the integrity of the game. I'm happy with brit today but other than that I'm not sure where to look, other than the guy who is completely AWOL and could be anything. Hmm, something did just occur to me. If tarcone is the third and final wolf, that could explain the lack of NK on day 2? Here's the list of order precedence: Order of Night Actions - Stealth/disguise orders (will be in place for the remaining steps) - Watch/follow orders (will be in place for the remaining steps) - Protection orders - Village attack orders - Wolf attack orders - Scan orders So if Autumn gets duked and tarcone is the last wolf but doesn't have a PM in, does that mean no NK? Or would Autumn's order still get executed? I have no idea how this works usually |
Looking at that, it's also notable to me to see stealth/disguise orders - is that explicitly called out in anyone's character description? That's a new one to me
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The only other person that stands out to me objectively is font, because she and Jackal voted each other D1 but then each backed off (and Jackal never voted her again despite that she would've been a good self-defense option), Autumn did not vote font D1 despite that being the most logical spot to defend Jackal, and Autumn voted her D2 but backed off later and he did not appear to be a strong consideration for her. Baaed on what bhlloy posted, tarcone as the last wolf and unable to do the NK due to inactivity is possible too, although if that's the case then the game is already over. But based on some of font's posts after deadline, she seems to have something going on behind the scenes she can point to for being good that was semi-confirmed by another player. And she has made a pretty compelling case why certain players are good and why she has misgivings about you. |
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Yeah, that would be hilarious otherwise. |
For the Night 2 thing, in addition to a potential conversion or missed N2 order or something, there are a few roles still out there that could be playing havoc with this too, in addition to the BG:
Roles Not all roles may be in the game. Irwin "Skippy" Handelman - Always love-sick for anyone that looks his way. He has gotten over Mallory by latching on to anyone that looks his way. This means that anyone that looks his way cannot get rid of him. If he is scanned at night he will annoy the scanner so much that any subsequent scan by that player during the game will result in an opposite scan of what it would have been. Samuel "Screech" Powers - The nerd of the group. Always the outcast. Always trying to fit in. May be a deviant but always a friendly one. Will try to date someone each night only to annoy them for the night. The problem is, he can be easily distracted and may stray from his original target because someone else smiled at him. Bud Bundy - Grandmaster B to his friends. He will be the life of the party, in his own mind. Tries to fit in with the others but sticks to himself in reality. May develop abilities depending on his alignment. Wayne Arnold - Always the bullying big brother. He will find someone to do his bidding. Mel Sharples - Make no mistake, he is in charge. Jeffrey Murdock - A very odd bird, yet loyal. He has many theories about life as we know it. Beware the giggle loop and the melty man. But specially Screech, Murdock and skippy could be responsible for some night chaos, in addition to the roles we just don;t know a lot about, iek Bud. |
Not sure skippy can do anything other than block/screw up a scan, also I don't read screech's powers as being able to block a NK either - isn't a NK action not a single action by a single player?
You may well be right, that's not the way I've been interpreting it however. It's definitely possible that one of the other more vague roles has a BG like power out there somewhere too |
I think the roles in this game generally have levels of vagueness attached to them that we get clarified in initial. I know mine does. So I'm not sure if Screech blocks anything, it just says he tries to date them and leaves them annoyed. Could be it blocks the person yo targeted from doing anything, wolf actions included. Could be it keeps that person from getting any information from their role instead, but otherwise can d it. Could just act like a witness and see what happened with the person being angry. Shoot, the angry person could wind up with the two votes the following day, we don't know.
But I suspect the first one is correct, that Screech interferes with night stuff, but not always. What and to what extent we just can;t tell from the description. |
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I think the trust circle is in a good place with two wolves' history to go off. BR isn;t in a great place
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If someone has a role that can prevent someone from taking night actions (assuming Brit is lying about his role / role abilities) and made use of it last night, that would be useful evidence to share.
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Oh, I thought Brit was claiming that power, it was redirecting night abilities. Another night action blocking role would seem to overlap with the seducer role though.
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Huh.. I didn't catch that. Yeah Jackal has an extra vote on him (3 with only 2 voters) in the original final vote count that I show quoted in post 413. Probably makes the most sense that it's bhlloy then with the extra vote, unless it isn't a double vote and is instead a secret additional vote like I mentioned was a possibility. |
Votes as of post #699:
5 britrock88 - fontisian 635, bhlloy 648, JAG 656, cheekimonk 662, Abe Sargent 695 1 JAG - britrock88 679 Yet to vote: tarcone, Telle, mauchow |
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