What is the case against Raven? I am not getting a wolf read off him.

Those are both fair points.

Which if I understand the logic, would just lead to the false claimer saying they were vanilla trying to deflect attention without hurting the actual Martyr.

There isn't much of a case against Autumn either if we're being honest..

As of Post 653

Raven 5- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)


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A counter claim against Autumn claiming vanilla? Autumn's move by no means proves that he is village. The point was that a valid Shoveler claim would cause a wolf to move first as they would already know he isn't a wolf so they have no reason to question his claim and want to look as village as possible.

He meant counter claim to Vaimes Martyr false claim, EF

if he was a wolf faking in that situation

Hey, still not completely buying the claim but we will see about that tomorrow if we get a counter claim.

If Raven flips wolf, I think I will be looking at EF tomorrow (and hopefully he'll be scanned anyway).

Yeah, basically.

Fact in point is that your vote is now useless, though, whether or not Shoveler is telling the truth

And not useless in the Grover I'm at bowling and not changing my vote useless, an active useless where we could actually see you forced to make a decision!

Jackal is correct.

Oh and + however many to JAG's post about keeping it civil. It's easy to get emotional in this game but you have to learn not to take things personally and remember that while most of the time it's village vs village when people get angry, there are often people INTENTIONALLY getting under your skin because they're wolves and they want to start shit.

Or because they are villagers trying to gauge your defensiveness level

Anywho, I have no real strong read on Autumn vs Raven .. just don't want another tie

Or some of us are just assholes.

lathum isnt playing

Tough choice here. I liked what I read from Raven today. Not much read on Autumn, but I really did not care for the run-up on Autumn for very little reason that I could see.

Ha!

And the subsequent run on Raven with very little reason. Both are weird.

I would have no gut reason to change anyway at this point to be honest. This makes for a stress free night. I get to sit back and observe.

I mean, the one on Raven makes a little more sense since people were forced into a time crunch and no one seemed interested in raising multiple new candidates, but still .. no one even entertained the thought of putting EF back up or looking at someone else

Vote Raven

But let's not tie it again.

Moreso arguing against the use of nightfall, not you personally. But also that last line is what every wolf would LOVE to do, just sayin

I only voted Raven because there wasn't another option.

You have no reason to vote me and are undecided. Same decision I faced earlier tonight, but I'm the one who will now pay for it.

Another villager down! Good luck all.

Autumn wasn't an option?

i think they followed my lead, so I'll own that. It seemed dumb to drag EF back into it after spending all day discussing him, and suggesting the seer scan him. At least this way we get some more voting history. I was a perfectly reasonable candidate so it will tell us something which way people went.

Look, if the reason we're not lynching EF is that he probably wouldn't have made that kill (which is my reasoning), that also applies to Autumn.

I could be getting fooled, but I did like that he jumped right off.

That was another reason in Autumn's favor. I would be very surprised if he would sign off on that N1 kill. Then again, maybe he wasn't around for the decision.

I don't want to much too much weight on that line of reasoning

All right. My wife is giving me stink eye. Good luck to us.

Brit is a good player, he was a very strong seer scan if he wasn't the seer, if EF is good it put EF in the crosshairs .. a vet could have easily signed off on that, especially if someone felt strongly about a post of his that we're not privy to

Day Two Final Tally

Raven 6- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641), JAG(675)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

Just tell her that you're playing a game with a 19 year old girl. I'm sure she'll take it really well.

saldana isn't playing either

Gold.

Yes!

woohooo... stooge number 1 down!

Well then, nice work

If the Shoveler reveal is real and we have no counters...

Day One Vote Count

Cheekimonk 5-The Jackal(160), Raven(214), Chief Rum(226), Britrock(237), EagleFan(337)
EagleFan 5-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71), Shoveler(264), Path(318), Cheekimonk(333)
Britrock 4- JAG(59), Narcizo(192), Autumn(260), Timmae(293)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

sucks we lost CR, but nice he wasn't roled

SCORE.

I hope that score is a wolf scan