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miami_fan 05-08-2009 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2015294)
The NBA needs to get rid of all the flagrant fouls. If something's really blatant, eject somebody, maybe even suspend him. But these intermediate "flagrant fouls" just ensure inconsistency and bad feelings. Every play is different.

So much of it is superficial. If you have a guy driving, and another defender running at top speed, there's a decent chance there will be a pretty ugly collision with the offensive player getting the worst of it. Sometimes the arm gets the ball, sometimes it misses, things are going so fast and it's incorrect to assume that what happened at that high speed is what the players exactly intended. All of the slow motion analysis is completely ridiculous when trying to judge intent because the events didn't happen in slow motion.

It does make one miss the good old days:



This would make the internet explode day - McHale probably would have been suspended for the rest of the playoffs.


Absolutely brillant post! 100% agree.

miami_fan 05-08-2009 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2015350)
What does this have to do with the Bulls? The Bulls have received more than their fair of favoritism during the Jordan years. If you don't thing stars are treated differently in the NBA, it is clear you don't watch much of it.


And how is this different than every other sport? Stars are treated differently. Greg Maddux got pitches called strikes that no other pitcher would get for years. Who is most likely to get a roughing the passer called when he gest a tap to the head? Tom Brady or John Beck? Stars are given the star treatment because they are stars.

Galaril 05-08-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2015350)
What does this have to do with the Bulls? The Bulls have received more than their fair of favoritism during the Jordan years. If you don't thing stars are treated differently in the NBA, it is clear you don't watch much of it.


No I agree with that stars are obviously treated differently which is not a problem as long as every teams stars are treated the same unlike a few major teams so on that I agree.

molson 05-08-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2015563)
No I agree with that stars are obviously treated differently which is not a problem as long as every teams stars are treated the same unlike a few major teams so on that I agree.


But stars aren't evenly distributed across teams.

Stars are always going to get the benefit of the doubt, that's not a conspiracy, it's just human nature. If Greg Maddox is working the corners, the umpire is going to be expecting it, Maddux looks like he knows what he's doing, and he's going to get that call. If a wild rookie is all over the plate and one pitch accidently gets a corner, it's hard to call that pitch a strike because the human brain just doesn't see it that way. If it seems like an accident, or your brain isn't expecting it, it's going to seem like a "worse" pitch than if a guy is consistently hitting his spots.

I think there's a similar dynamic at play in basketball. When a star misses a shot it's easier to "see" the foul, because you espect him to make that shot.

stevew 05-08-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos (Post 2015405)
If Lebron wins a title with the Cavs this year, will he stay?


He's staying regardless.

Scoobz0202 05-08-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2015571)
He's staying regardless.


QFT

MrBug708 05-08-2009 10:49 AM

Unless Kobe leaves for Europe

Big Fo 05-08-2009 08:47 PM

Nice performance from the Magic after a bad game two. Next game we'll have Alston and Lee for the first time this series.

whomario 05-08-2009 08:50 PM

why the hell do they stay with a blowout instead of going to Houston ?

Big Fo 05-08-2009 08:52 PM

Maybe there was an NBA equivalent of the "Heidi game" back in the day.

whomario 05-08-2009 08:59 PM

Lakers look very, very good righzt now. To tell you the truth i am concerned a little ...

And as a coach i hate that cross-matchup at the 3/4 that the Rockets go with. Artest gets manhandled on the boards and Scola gets killed in transition.

great offense by both teams, Rockets still too many turnover though. If they would get a good PG for once ... And boy, that last hookshot on the move by Yao was amazing, just as that pass off the dribble earlier. The guy is freaking 7ī6 ...

whomario 05-08-2009 09:19 PM

Artest seriously passes up 2/3 of his open shots ...

whomario 05-08-2009 09:53 PM

Lakers by 2 at the half. Rockets with 11 Turnovers, most totally unforced really ... The good is that Kobe slowed down after a hot start and now has 14 on 13 shots, Rockets take that every time. And Yao much more involved and with 14 as well and plays great defense moving his feet and contesting shots. Gasol just 2-7 is a result of this.
I think in now 2 1/2 game the Lakers may have gotten half a dozen points on post ups from their big guys combined, thatīs how good a post defender Yao has become. Gasol is a pretty good post player that is a potential 20 point scorer and he doesnīt even bother.

hearing Avery Johnsonīs voice makes me cringe. Itīs like chalk on a chalkboard for my ears ... He may or may not make good points, but my hearing cells just tune out in an act of self-protection ...

Neon_Chaos 05-08-2009 10:32 PM

The Lakers have finally settled down and are letting their major talent advantage over the Rockets take over.

They will need to keep this up to keep the Rockets at bay in the fourth.

Neon_Chaos 05-08-2009 10:35 PM

Wow.

:)

whomario 05-08-2009 10:38 PM

what a shot ... Though there you saw the difference between Battier/Artes. Battier would have had a hand up, thereīs no way Braynt has time to take another dribble there ...
Rockets are self destructing. Yao misses a couple so you go away from him ? No way ... Bryant did a terrific job denying Battier (aka "the one guy that can and does pass to the post consistently") the ball.
Artestīs shot selöection is all-time-bad.

whomario 05-08-2009 11:03 PM

Iīm getting a Ron Artest vodoo-doll as soon as iīll get up in the morning ... If sanyone blames this on Yao iīm going ballistic. He works his ass off and his teammates donīt execute at all. Battier is the only exception, who btw just is a terrific entry passer. The one to Artest a couple minutes ago was awesome.
If the Lakers hit their shots they are tough to beat.

Bryant with the dagger. Yao is limping ...

Neon_Chaos 05-08-2009 11:06 PM

And that Kobe three (4th quarter) was the dagger. This one is over.

larrymcg421 05-08-2009 11:19 PM

Reputations work both ways for referees. There's no way that's a flagrant 2 if it's anyone other than Ron Artest.

miami_fan 05-08-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2016286)
Reputations work both ways for referees. There's no way that's a flagrant 2 if it's anyone other than Ron Artest.


Absolutely very weak call there

Neon_Chaos 05-08-2009 11:20 PM

Lol @ Artest.

I wonder what kind of wacky interview tidbit he'll give out next.

whomario 05-08-2009 11:20 PM

Yao with what looks like a pretty heavy bruise on his right knee too , propably carry over from game 1 ... And thatīs sth that isnīt coming out of nowhere, might have bothered him a long time before that obvious limping ...

A Flagrant 2 ??? :eek: No one else but Artest gets thrown out for that, no one.

and @ the rockets : Quit fouling allready ...

props to Kobe for that statement on the foul by Artest.

RainMaker 05-09-2009 12:00 AM

Lakers are just too deep. No one in the West can hang with them for 7 games. Don't know how Artest gets a Flagrant 2 for that one. Especially with what we've seen from these playoffs.

Danny 05-09-2009 12:35 AM

That was just a hard foul, not a flagrant. It had no bearing on the outcome of the game though.

molson 05-09-2009 06:21 PM

Chuck Daly died today:

Chuck Daly, Hall of Fame coach, dies at 78 - ESPN

I can't believe he was 78.

Well, I guess I can. Just one of those things that makes you feel old.

M GO BLUE!!! 05-09-2009 06:49 PM

I loved Chuck Daly

Eaglesfan27 05-09-2009 06:51 PM

Why is there only 1 playoff game on a Saturday?

Edit: Nevermind, my directv guide is just being stupid as apparently there is another game soon.

Eaglesfan27 05-09-2009 07:02 PM

Dola -

How is that not called a foul before the shot?

Galaxy 05-09-2009 07:04 PM

The NBA continues to show it's a joke.

Senator 05-09-2009 07:05 PM

Texas Rangers or Dallas Mavs - what is the over/under of a championship in the next 25 years?

whomario 05-09-2009 07:10 PM

This has to be called. Then again, why in the world doesnīt wright simply wraps his arms arround him, swipe at the ball or whatever ...
Seeing Dirk there was heartbreaking. The guy just broke down inside when that final buzzer sounded and just had all life sucked out of him, with all the drama in his personal life and now this ...
Dallas though simply failed to execute late. They didnīt get Dirk the ball in decent spots, way too much dribling nescessary for Nowitzki on all 4th quarter shots. Kidd missed him on a couple entry passes and Howard was just playing out of control the last 5 minutes after reentering ...

miami_fan 05-09-2009 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27 (Post 2016598)
Dola -

How is that not called a foul before the shot?


Should have been called as an intentional foul. Two shots and the ball.

whomario 05-09-2009 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 2016604)
Should have been called as an intentional foul. Two shots and the ball.


:lol: come on now, you are being silly here, arenīt you ? A Bumb on the baseline is not exactly a clear path foul ... Every foul in theese situations is "intentional", but thatīs not even in the rule book. There is no special punishment for an intentional foul on the ball.
Itīs 1 shot and the ball also, no ?

NBA.com - RULE NO. 12-FOULS AND PENALTIES

Wright made a mistake though. Not a clear enough foul and then he quit playing expecting the whistle. Thatīs just a mental breakdown. Somehow iīd wish for Dirk to get the hell out of Dallas and be a complimentary 2nd star somewhere earlier than later.

miami_fan 05-09-2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2016609)
:lol: come on now, you are being silly here, arenīt you ? A Bumb on the baseline is not exactly a clear path foul ... Every foul in theese situations is "intentional", but thatīs not even in the rule book. There is no special punishment for an intentional foul on the ball.
Itīs 1 shot and the ball also, no ?

NBA.com - RULE NO. 12-FOULS AND PENALTIES

Wright made a mistake though. Not a clear enough foul and then he quit playing expecting the whistle. Thatīs just a mental breakdown. Somehow iīd wish for Dirk to get the hell out of Dallas and be a complimentary 2nd star somewhere earlier than later.


Of course I am being silly. But that was as "intentional" a foul as you can get. It goes back to the discussion of the league creating "special" foul categories that IMO over-legislate the game.

miami_fan 05-09-2009 07:51 PM

Dola,

It was hilarious to see the Mavs begging for a foul call after spending the previous 47 minutes protesting foul calls.

Eaglesfan27 05-09-2009 08:20 PM

They just announced on ABC that Yao is out for the playoffs due to a hairline fracture. Disappointing as I was looking forward to the Rockets pushing the Lakers and hopefully upsetting them.

Galaxy 05-09-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2016603)
Seeing Dirk there was heartbreaking. The guy just broke down inside when that final buzzer sounded and just had all life sucked out of him, with all the drama in his personal life and now this ....


What happened in his personal life?

miami_fan 05-09-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2016637)
What happened in his personal life?


http://www.nbcdfw.com/sports/basketb...zkis-Home.html

Eaglesfan27 05-09-2009 09:30 PM

LeBron is so much fun to watch.

JonInMiddleGA 05-09-2009 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27 (Post 2016652)
LeBron is so much fun to watch.


Sort of the polar opposite of the quit-once-we're-ahead Hawks.

That whole damned group isn't worth a bucket of warm spit and it was refreshing to hear the crowd start to get that realization in the 4th quarter. Please, Hamilton ON, you want a franchise from Atlanta? Take the Hawks.

stevew 05-09-2009 10:10 PM

That OOP in the first quarter was insane.

I've hated Danny Ferry since I was about 14 but I will admit he built a great cast to surround Bron
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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27 (Post 2016652)
LeBron is so much fun to watch.


Easy Mac 05-09-2009 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27 (Post 2016652)
LeBron is so much fun to watch.


I agree. I was just thinking that I can't wait to have a son, so he can say he got to watch the greatest basketball player who ever lived.

That being said, would anyone be surprised if it came out tomorrow that LeBro is on steroids. I mean, his career/body path isn't that different from A-rod, and he's the same size as Julius Peppers. I'm not saying he's not the greatest basketball player I've ever seen, but it just seems odd that in this day and age no one seems to have even broached the subject.

RainMaker 05-09-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 2016674)
I agree. I was just thinking that I can't wait to have a son, so he can say he got to watch the greatest basketball player who ever lived.

That being said, would anyone be surprised if it came out tomorrow that LeBro is on steroids. I mean, his career/body path isn't that different from A-rod, and he's the same size as Julius Peppers. I'm not saying he's not the greatest basketball player I've ever seen, but it just seems odd that in this day and age no one seems to have even broached the subject.


Jordan is coming back?

stevew 05-09-2009 10:20 PM

He has had an NBA body since he was a junior in HS and just built on it from there. Although nothing surprises me. I'm just going with off the charts genetic freak.

Neon_Chaos 05-09-2009 10:34 PM

Yao out for the post season.

Yao out for remainder of postseason - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

Danny 05-09-2009 10:42 PM

It must be a conspiracy that caused Yao to get hurt.

MrBug708 05-10-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 2016626)
Dola,

It was hilarious to see the Mavs begging for a foul call after spending the previous 47 minutes protesting foul calls.


Imagine had 'Melo missed that shot? Denver would be screaming for a foul

JeeberD 05-10-2009 12:02 AM

:(

RainMaker 05-10-2009 05:06 AM

I don't know who the guy who was trying to foul was, but he didn't help himself out by putting his hands up in the air after making the hack. The foul also should have been harder.

Danny 05-10-2009 05:07 AM

I agree, you need to wrap that player up. I don't really have a problem with the no call there.


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