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TazFTW 02-22-2006 08:27 PM

Barkeep, who/what is Handy Harry's? It is listed on the map but not in the rules.

hoopsguy 02-22-2006 08:29 PM

Just trying to work through the actions

T1: AE hands money to Kwhit

T1: Can KWhit move directly to the police station? They need to be in the same square.

If there is an opportunity to do this it would make sense for AE to be the 3rd man, since we are using his money initially (if he wants it). If not, then I'm up for whoever.

Poli 02-22-2006 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22
Who is going to be the 3rd man on this team?

I'll do it if there are no objections. I volunteered already to view, I don't see any reason not to volunteer for this. I'm getting rid of the gold, regardless, so don't send Kwhit anything. I'll take care of that.

TazFTW 02-22-2006 08:33 PM

There are so many things that could go wrong.

saldana 02-22-2006 08:33 PM

holy crap. i just caught up to everything since i left for work, and this might be the most confusing friggin game ever.

i have some concerns about our little viewing group....i only had .5 an AP left yesterday, and was told that i saw ardent most of the day...i only dug once, so if we were in the same square, how did he get to dig twice.

Poli 02-22-2006 08:35 PM

Easy. Hold on. Let me review my PM.

kingfc22 02-22-2006 08:37 PM

Yea, it would make sense for AE to be the 3rd man since he has to give KWhit the money.

Poli 02-22-2006 08:37 PM

Assuming I can post my own PM:


Private Message: AP change
Yesterday, 09:26 PM
ardent enthusiast
FOFC Survivor

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Not in Belgium
Posts: 9,516


AP change

AP 1: Move E4
AP 2: Move F5
AP 3: Move G6
AP 4: Dig
AP 5: Dig
__________________
Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

464 days until I leave the Navy.

saldana 02-22-2006 08:48 PM

very interesting

hoopsguy 02-22-2006 08:49 PM

Just did a quick review to see if there was any history with KWhit and RA from earlier today.

KWhit cast the last vote for Raiders before his investigator reveal. KWhit was also the first to pull back the vote. And within about 25 posts he says that he trusts RA.

Nothing here that makes me feel a need to move KWhit out of the drivers seat for today's bribery.

hoopsguy 02-22-2006 08:50 PM

Saldana, does AE's information make sense to you? Trying to make sense out of 'very interesting' ...

Poli 02-22-2006 08:50 PM

Well, I don't know where he ended up.

Poli 02-22-2006 08:53 PM

Actually, I was wondering how he ended up with .5 AP.

Barkeep49 02-22-2006 08:53 PM

Ok I'm back and catching up. If I miss a question you asked and you'd like an answer please ask again.

You must buy an account but after that as long as you are at the bank it doesn't cost anything to Deposit or withdraw.

Any number of people can buy a service from the police. That wasn't clear. A player, however, may only buy each service once per day.

Handy Harry's was going to have some of the items at Elle's Emporium but I did not think there were enough items to warrant two stores and merged them. It's an artifact and I will remove it.

Poli 02-22-2006 08:54 PM

Blasted Wal Mart moving in the area! :mad:

kingfc22 02-22-2006 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast
Actually, I was wondering how he ended up with .5 AP.

Yea, seems strange since he would have had to have gone to the jungle which is in the NE. That is the only way to use a half an AP.

kingfc22 02-22-2006 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22
Yea, seems strange since he would have had to have gone to the jungle which is in the NW. That is the only way to use a half an AP.

Errrr, NW.

Alan T 02-22-2006 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22
Yea, seems strange since he would have had to have gone to the jungle which is in the NE. That is the only way to use a half an AP.


Thats only on the second trip through the same square (doubling back) too.

I am still looking for another way for .5, but havent found it yet

KWhit 02-22-2006 09:00 PM

I'll be happy to view the evidence, but I wonder if that is going to make me a target for a pirate kill?

I wonder if it doesn't make more sense to have someone do it without broadcasting it all over the thread? I know that's going to be impossible to do right now since AE seems to be the only one with at least 4 gp.

But if I view the evidence and spend the 4gp and then am killed at the police station, we're out the gold and me!!! :)

And the watch action doesn't specify what happens if someone is watching me and I'm attacked.

Quote:

Watch: You will watch a person. That person must be in the same square as you when you use it. You will learn what that person does that turn, and if they are moving you will follow them. An attempt to use it on a second consecutive turn, unless the watcher has the sneaky trait, will result in the person being watched learning they are being watched. The person will automatically hide from the watcher, without an cost of an AP, on the next turn, while still being able to perform their designated action. The watcher will match the move AP costs of anyone being watched, such as through mountains or over rivers. The watcher will automatically use any equipment or knowledge they have to reduce movement costs.


So I don't know if I were watched and attacked if the watcher will find out who did it or not.

TazFTW 02-22-2006 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast
Assuming I can post my own PM:




Private Message: AP change
Yesterday, 09:26 PM
ardent enthusiast

FOFC Survivor

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Not in Belgium
Posts: 9,516



AP change


AP 1: Move E4

AP 2: Move F5
AP 3: Move G6
AP 4: Dig
AP 5: Dig
__________________
Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

464 days until I leave the Navy.



Why didn't the move from F5 to G6 cost 2 APs? You're crossing a river.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rules
River: If a player is attempting to “cross” the river it costs 2 AP. The river runs approximately through the middle of the square. So for instance it costs 2 AP to move from F6 to F7 or G7, but any other movement will allow the player to stay on the same side of the river thus costing the normal AP. Note that the river can also cause some diagonal moves, such as from E6 to F7 to cost 2 AP.


F5 to G6 is the same move as E6 to F7.

Only possible way is that you have fleet of foot, which means you are either the athlete or one of the pirate roles.

Alan T 02-22-2006 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit
I'll be happy to view the evidence, but I wonder if that is going to make me a target for a pirate kill?

I wonder if it doesn't make more sense to have someone do it without broadcasting it all over the thread? I know that's going to be impossible to do right now since AE seems to be the only one with at least 4 gp.

But if I view the evidence and spend the 4gp and then am killed at the police station, we're out the gold and me!!! :)

And the watch action doesn't specify what happens if someone is watching me and I'm attacked.


So I don't know if I were watched and attacked if the watcher will find out who did it or not.



It might make you a target, but if we're going to catch pirates in the act, it will be with 2 people watching -IN- town. Im not sure if they can even kill close to town safely or not. I guess its a risk on our part, but likely a bigger risk on their part I am thinking

kingfc22 02-22-2006 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW
Why didn't the move from F5 to G6 cost 2 APs? You're crossing a river.


F5 to G6 is the same move as E6 to F7.

Only possible way is that you have fleet of foot, which means you are either the athlete or one of the pirate roles.

Nice catch Taz.

Poli 02-22-2006 09:09 PM

I don't know. Maybe barkeep didn't catch it, that's my only guess. I'm neither the athlete or a pirate.

Poli 02-22-2006 09:11 PM

Additionally, here was my original AP thing. If you remember, I didn't realize I could move diagonally. I was just trying to go someplace where others couldn't so 1) I wouldn't be killed and 2) I could have the gold to myself.


Private Message: APs
Yesterday, 08:40 PM
ardent enthusiast
FOFC Survivor

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Not in Belgium
Posts: 9,521


APs

AP 1: Move E4
AP 2: Move F4
AP 3: Move F5
AP 4: Dig
AP 5: Dig
__________________
Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

464 days until I leave the Navy.

Poli 02-22-2006 09:17 PM

Err, I meant wouldn't instead of couldn't.

Poli 02-22-2006 09:19 PM

Is the deadline in 40 minutes??

hoopsguy 02-22-2006 09:19 PM

guys, i think we need to blow up the old plan at this point because of concerns about AE.

Do you want to try and string it back together (KWhit viewing, Raiders watching) with someone else supplying the money or just have an unannounced visit by someone to visit Blade? That way it will be harder for the pirates to know where to be, during what turn, to kill someone.

Alan T 02-22-2006 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast
Is the deadline in 40 minutes??



I believe so

Poli 02-22-2006 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T
I believe so

I better get my APs in order then. I'm still passing off my 4 gold.

Barkeep49 02-22-2006 09:23 PM

The hide move may only be used once each day. This does not effect any submitted orders as of this post, just putting it out there for future consumption.

KWhit 02-22-2006 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy
guys, i think we need to blow up the old plan at this point because of concerns about AE.


I agree. AE has alarm bells ringing in my ears right now.


Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy
Do you want to try and string it back together (KWhit viewing, Raiders watching) with someone else supplying the money or just have an unannounced visit by someone to visit Blade? That way it will be harder for the pirates to know where to be, during what turn, to kill someone.


Let's hold off until more people have enough gp. That way hopefully the pirates won't be able to track and kill us. Maybe tomorrow we can use the messenger service to secretly pick someone to view the evidence on Blade.

Alan T 02-22-2006 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy
guys, i think we need to blow up the old plan at this point because of concerns about AE.

Do you want to try and string it back together (KWhit viewing, Raiders watching) with someone else supplying the money or just have an unannounced visit by someone to visit Blade? That way it will be harder for the pirates to know where to be, during what turn, to kill someone.



Worst case scenerio, Blade can sit in jail a bit until 1 person has enough money to privately go view him. I think with the plan in place, it had failsafes to guard against a pirate being in the middle. The only really bad place would be if Kwhit was a pirate, or BOTH RA and Ardent were (which right now might actually be a possibility).

Poli 02-22-2006 09:26 PM

I shouldn't, Kwhit. Either barkeep made a mistake...or something. I don't know. I didn't even know what a fleet of foot thing was. I had to go read it after I saw Taz post it.

KWhit 02-22-2006 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast
I shouldn't, Kwhit. Either barkeep made a mistake...or something. I don't know. I didn't even know what a fleet of foot thing was. I had to go read it after I saw Taz post it.


That may be so, but I don't think we would feel comfortable with the evidence plan tonight for a couple of reasons - your actions last night just one of them.

Poli 02-22-2006 09:29 PM

I could understand that.

Poli 02-22-2006 09:38 PM

Could, can. My english has been screwy since I started this APA research class.

Desnudo 02-22-2006 09:40 PM

I'll give KWhit 2 GP if someone(s) will cough up the other 2.

Desnudo 02-22-2006 09:41 PM

I think we need to do this tonight. The longer we wait, the more advantage to the pirates.

saldana 02-22-2006 09:44 PM

sorry, got pulled away by work. what i was saying was very interesting is the exact thing that taz pointed out...ardent would have needed 6 points to dig twice, or he is lying about how much gold he has, because i only got 2. the half point thing was a math/rules error on my part, i thought you only spent 1/2 a point for traveling on roads, so my travel orders would have been

ap1- d4 to e4
ap2- e4 to f5
ap3-4 f5 to g6 (across the river)
ap5 - dig (yield 2 gp)

i thougth the d4 to e4 move only cost me a half point, hence the .5 leftover statement

either way, AE would have needed 6 points to get 4 gold from that square, or he is lying about having 4gp, which could mean he will go to the PD, but not actually do anything, since he is the only one that will know if he did it.

hoopsguy 02-22-2006 09:50 PM

Desnudo, I'm going in. I've got the money as well and I don't trust anyone else at all.

Here were my actions yesterday:
AP1: E5
AP2: F6 (should have Path and Vince confirm this)
AP3 - AP5: Dig three times.

Path had enough money to buy the necklace (3 GP) and I suspect that he could have upped his offer from where he ended up.

Anyone who wants to watch me, get on board.

And I'm willing to take offers for what my remaining actions should entail, but I'm planning to go like this:

AP1: Police Station (C4)
AP2: Bribe official
AP3: C5
AP4: C6
AP5: Dig

hoopsguy 02-22-2006 09:53 PM

I would also ask that someone try to watch Ardent in this cycle.

pennywisesb 02-22-2006 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy
I would also ask that someone try to watch Ardent in this cycle.


Yes, someone please watch AE. That was an interesting turn of events earlier. I think we are making the right decision allowing Hoops to go into the station versus someone else.

Poli 02-22-2006 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana
sorry, got pulled away by work. what i was saying was very interesting is the exact thing that taz pointed out...ardent would have needed 6 points to dig twice, or he is lying about how much gold he has, because i only got 2. the half point thing was a math/rules error on my part, i thought you only spent 1/2 a point for traveling on roads, so my travel orders would have been

ap1- d4 to e4
ap2- e4 to f5
ap3-4 f5 to g6 (across the river)
ap5 - dig (yield 2 gp)

i thougth the d4 to e4 move only cost me a half point, hence the .5 leftover statement

either way, AE would have needed 6 points to get 4 gold from that square, or he is lying about having 4gp, which could mean he will go to the PD, but not actually do anything, since he is the only one that will know if he did it.


Looks like we did the same thing, though my PM does not state you were there digging near me. Regardless, I'm not lieing. I did not use a fleet of foot move, as the athlete or a pirate.

kingfc22 02-22-2006 09:58 PM

Hoops you are now 100% in my book. I too was at F6 yesterday, but I chose to dig once and then hide just in case someone was tracking me.

I went E4 - E5 - E6 - dig - hide

kingfc22 02-22-2006 09:59 PM

I can not type today. ARGGHHH. E4-E5-F6-dig-hide

saldana 02-22-2006 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast
Looks like we did the same thing, though my PM does not state you were there digging near me. Regardless, I'm not lieing. I did not use a fleet of foot move, as the athlete or a pirate.


then how did you dig twice? you would have been out of AP after the first dig just like i was.

hoopsguy 02-22-2006 10:01 PM

King, you sure you posted that right? I don't see F6 in the list there.

Poli 02-22-2006 10:01 PM

I don't know. My PM is right up there. My first PM is right up there. I sure as heck didn't know about any fleet of foot thing last night when I sent them in.

hoopsguy 02-22-2006 10:02 PM

OK - but why did you go E4 and then E5? Next time shoot a diag there and save yourself a move, unless you were doing that to be elusive or something ...

That spot was solid yesterday, based on the lukewarm responses that everyone else is giving.

Alan T 02-22-2006 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22
Hoops you are now 100% in my book. I too was at F6 yesterday, but I chose to dig once and then hide just in case someone was tracking me.

I went E4 - E5 - E6 - dig - hide



I wouldnt put anyone 100% based on their day 1 actions. The pirates have likely 3-4 of them, and only 1 of them had to be near Sndvls.


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