Bah.. darn server issue, lost my response. :mad:

I would also tend to agree that most of the list are probably not werewolves. Since he knew all of the wolves, (That is a true statement right? I have to reread the roles again... ) I can't imagine he would leave that much of a road map pointing to all of the wolves even if he knew he was or wasn't going to die. At some point, he could have been exposed and this could have been one heck of a road map. Of course, I'd expect a seer to do the exact opposite that most of the list would be wolves... Maybe a 4/2 split either way. I missed NTN's earlier comments about the 'list of 6'.. I find that a curious statement seeing a few of us have the same opinion of the list right away....

I missed this the first time, guess that one thing was waiting on the hunter's kill...

The cultist knows all of the wolves, but the wolves don't know him. The seer may or may not know any of the wolves depending on who that person has viewed.

That's what I thought... although, was saying that if the seer did a list like that he might have weeded out a few wolves since they just couldn't come out and say it for fear of retribution.

I have meetings all day but I am going to try and check in from time to time.

This sucks. I'm not liking the shrinking numbers.

And Qwikshot did a hell of a nice job confusing us by splitting up the groups.

I have a very busy day ahead, but I will check in at some point.

Seems like the same 4 or 5 people are formulating opinions, options that aren't leading us any closer to the wolves and all we are doing is just prattling on, steering ourselves in the wrong direction and giving ourselves enough rope to hang ourselves.. both figuratively and literally... :confused:

Well, I just woke up a few minutes ago. This was a very unfortunate turn of events. I'm going out with a buddy for 4-5 hours. Please do not take my absence "as playing the game" or signs that I'm a werewolf. I'm not a werewolf and we really need to make a right decision and get one of those wolves tonight. I'll be back in time to read through the comments, think about them, and vote this evening.

OK, I just got back and I am going to throw this out for discussion. I am starting to be a little guilty of Eaglesfan. My reasoning is this. It is safe to assume that at least one of the 6 people on qwik's list is a werewolf. Eaglesfan is on that list, with that being said, once Qwik knew he was going down he voted for Eaglesfan. It seems to me he is trying to defer suspicion away from eaglesfan by both putting him on the list and by voting for him.

My feeling is this. I think eaglesfan is the brutal wolf, why do you ask. My assumption is that Qwik was trying to mess with us by putting eaglesfan on his list and then voting for him when it was already to late. The reason he picked eaglesfan is because he is the brutal wolf, and if someone sniffed out his plan at least eaglefan could take one of us down with him. I realize by suggesting this theory there is a good chance eaglesfan will take me with him, but I am willing to chance it.

I'm not a werewolf. I think Qwik put 6 innocents on it, but I don't know that. All I know is that you will be killing an innocent villager if you kill me.

Hi jeebs

I don't like assuming there are six innocents on Qwik's list, frankly, because I'm not on the list and do not want to be wrongly lynched. To me, there might be some information that is useful on those lists, but what it really does is potentially split us into two groups to vote against one another and by doing that, the wolves (whichever side they are on) could swing things and continue to pick us off. :(

The only thing we have going for us is that the seer should be able to pick up a werewolf or two in the next few days, because the odds are getting better and better.

Does the cultist see which person is the brutal wolf or do they just see wolf?

Only the dead know. :)

Wow - this is getting pretty ugly for the villagers.

Apparently Qwikshot took most of the discussion with him to his grave, it's so quiet you can hear a werewolf pounce in this thread. ;)

This post was #666 of this thread.

Cool.

Ya.. no kidding. Guess I better start formulating opinions again. Was hoping my comments would spur some people to chat and come up with some fresh ideas and thoughts.

If the game was hunt for the devil, you'd be dead tonight. :D

Everyone who sparks a discussion gets lynched, can you blame them for being quiet? ;).

*crickets*

The only things I feel like I know are that Airhog is not a werewolf sympathizer and that Eaglesfan27 either clearly is a werewolf or clearly is not (depending on whether or not Qwikshot thought reverse psychology would work on us). That's a 1 of 2 choice to me right now, while everyone else is a 1 of 11 (taking myself and Airhog out of my consideration). Any thoughts?

The Dead can Dance, they can't speak...

Here are the 6 that Qwik picked: KevinNU7, Eaglesfan27,NoMyths, Lathum, GWB, BrianD.
I'm not a wolf, and GWB is dead. KevinNU and NoMyths jumped up and voted for Qwik right after he made his list. Eaglesfan and Lathum joined in later. GWB, Mustang and I voted elsewhere. Condors got a few votes and Desnudo got a few votes. ntndeacon was the only one to vote for Jon.

I thought ntndeacon was a wolf earlier, and now I'm thinking that his solo vote for Jon makes him look more like a wolf. His vote seemed completely random and designed to avoid notice since he didn't follow any of the other groups. I think he was trying to avoid notice.

I vote ntndeacon

Actually, adjusting over what I said before, I guess everyone else is probably more like 2 or 3 (depending on how many wolves there are) out of 11, so I guess the odds are a little closer than I originally placed them.

What I meant last night is that we can not rule out the 6 on Qwik's list out of hand, just because he was the cultist. Several others have said basically the same thing. Y'all are right that Qwik gave the list when it wasn't clear who was going to be lynched. It is his harking back to his list once it WAS clear he was going to be lynched that makes me nervous abous some of the people on the list. He had to know it was a possibility at the point he made the list. (I think he had a couple of votes already.)
As for my singular for for Jon, well I was not here long afterward. I was convinced that Jon was a werewolf. However after reading some of the posts as to what others were thinking I could see myself changing my vote, if I had gotten back soon enough.

Well since my voting for someone who has not been mentioned up until that point, I will vote this time for someone who has been mentioned on several occasions. At least until i see a more likely suspect.
I vote Desnudo

I think ntndeacon and Eaglesfan are the most likely suspects at this point, although if you asked me to base something on anything other than intuition, I'd have to admit there's not much to go on.

I also think that if we fail to get a werewolf tonight, and someone also gets eaten, that we are nearly lost. So it's important to take the time to make the right decision.

While I'm not sure who I'm voting for, my gut tells me that EaglesFan is not a wolf.

Man, I was I had joined this. Looks like a lot of fun.

I'm a little skeptical of ntndeacon at this point.. There was the initial agreement by 3 of us on the content of Qwik's list. NTN seemed to be trying to steer us towards the people on the list as werewolves and then quickly backtracked when called on it and changed his tune. I think he was putting out feelers on if anyone would still believe in this list and get some backers. I would have expected that his wolf companions would have jumped in to help but, given the lack of response today, the other wolves may not have seen his comments yet.. Of course, now that probably won't happen as he has been questioned and accused by a few people.

For now, I'll have to go with the lone odd comments of the current day and

Vote NTNDeacon

Barring any new revelations that I hope will still come as we have what.. 4 hours left to vote???

Hm.. although, odd that Desnudo just brought up NTNDeacon's name right after NTN voted for him... With a NTN having a few votes, is Desnudo trying to steer us towards NTN?

I'll have to relook at past voting...

I don't know if this means anything, but ntndeacon voted for Desnudo after I voted for ntndeacon. It is possible that Desnudo jumped on ntndeacon since he alread had a vote.

This makes me highly suspicious of Nomyths.

Are seers and sorcerers revealed when they die?

Plus it probably annoyed Desnudo that this is the second time I voted for him.

I believe everything but cursed is revealed when you die, Swaggs.

A few other reasons that Makes Nomyths suspicious.

1. He defends eaglesfan as being just a villager, and that Qwikshot would never vote for a wolf.

2. He stated before that he was actively looking for the seer. He says it's for guidance, but I believe that he wants to eat him.

Could be. I've been a little curious myself....

These are good points--particularly the second one.

Ah, spreading your wolvish lies into other threads, eh? ;)

Are you kidding me???

I was the first person to vote for Qwikshot--the only evil person we've correctly targeted yet. Throughout this whole game I've been consistently vocal in leading the charge against suspicious characters...in fact, the only success we've had has been because of me targeting Qwik at pretty large risk to myself.

As far as trying to get our attention focused on how the seer might be trying to give us hints, I specifically concealed any information that might point to his identity, trying to protect him. If I was trying to kill him, I wouldn't have bothered.

Meanwhile, Airhog, you've been uniquely responsible for the death of one innocent. All game I've had fire on me, and I've kept trying to win things for our side. If you ask me, it's been working against us that you keep trying to target me. By now the seer has already verified that I'm not a wolf. If it wouldn't hurt our chances, I'd lynch you just out of spite for consistently leading us in the wrong direction.

I said that I felt Eagles was probably not a wolf. Probably. He's certainly raised some questions, but I've got bigger questions about others. However, as we can once again see, me leading the charge only seems to get me in hot water, even when I'm right. Fine. Y'all take over the analysis. I'll vote how you want me to. Sticking my neck out isn't worth a puddle of piss.

The only success we've had has been directly because of me. But do what you want.

Seems NoMyths has been relatively quiet since the opening days and the near lynching...

dola...

And since I might be out tonight, I'll go ahead and vote for one of the quieter folks that I've been suspicious about.

I vote ntndeacon

So much for NoMyths being quiet. :D

Now to my reason for voting for Desnudo. I suspected him early on as he began to accuse several people of being a wolf. He did do this in a joking manner, but accusing several people at the time was suspicious. If it had just been me or just been condors, I could have just ignored it. Of course that made the votes of condor and myself "getting back at Desnudo." And after Airhog was exposed as the Duke there was no one credible that had voted for him. Now, we get to the next vote. 3 people vote for Desnudo. Condors, who still holds a percieved grudge, and two new folks that do not have a percieved grudge against him. GWB and BrianD. Of course who is next to go? One of the two. GWB's killing of Condor was an unexpected bonus.
Finally, it is clear that his earlyvotes have all been seen to be not werewolves. There maybe others who have this distinction, I don't know, but here are his votes.
Day 1...Airhog (the Duke)
Day 2 ...Airhog (the Duke) I will admit that practically everyone voted here so not much support is gained from this vote.
Day 3...Condors (villager) perhops GWB's errant killing can have a silver lining here.
Day 4...me (villager) I realize this isn't known by a lot of us yet, but it is true none the less. I assume 3-6 folks know I am not a wolf at least. the 2 original wolves, a possible 2 additional cursed wolves, a possible brutal wolf not a part of the two, and me. (Although I was under the assumtion that one of the 2 original wolves would be brutal, but icould be wrong there.)

Ok, I am reading through the posts before I leave work and I am going to mull things over on my ride home. I'll vote when I get there.

How is that? Because Desnudo had to pick a new target?

I think you lost me on the last part though? (#4)

man i guess i shouldn't have waited around to use my witness powers huh?

Perhaps Qwikshot put 6 innocnets in his list so he'd effectively waste the seer's viewings on a bunch of villagers