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Ksyrup 07-13-2024 05:22 PM

Appears Trump was shot at and possibly hit (blood on ear seen) at a rally. Oh boy.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 05:25 PM

Looks like he was possibly grazed by the ear based on the video.

Edit: Why are they allowing him to egg the crowd on, head visible? Is this a fucking WWE skit or something? He's bleeding from the ear, thousands of people around, and they allow him to continue to be that vulnerable?

BYU 14 07-13-2024 05:27 PM

Someone texted me saying it was a paintball gun, where is the video?

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 05:30 PM

On Twitter. No clue if it's real or not.

Lathum 07-13-2024 05:34 PM

Can't wait for the right wing media to claim Bidens government is trying to take out Trump.

stevew 07-13-2024 05:36 PM

Good old butler

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 05:39 PM

Well, election and America over. At least I'm a white male, but I feel sorry for my daughter.

Lathum 07-13-2024 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3436649)
Well, election and America over. At least I'm a white male, but I feel sorry for my daughter.


yeah. This is definitely going to help him.

Jas_lov 07-13-2024 05:41 PM

If it was a real gun you would think someone behind Trump would have gotten hit and seriously wounded.

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 05:43 PM

Doesn't matter, all people will hear is trump shot and the news will run it until they can't make money anymore.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 05:43 PM

There are multiple shots too. How does he only get grazed and no reports of anyone else hurt?

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436653)
There are multiple shots too. How does he only get grazed and no reports of anyone else hurt?


Because liberals are gun hating pansies.

stevew 07-13-2024 05:44 PM

I was actually in Butler a few hours ago. I had no idea that jackass was doing a rally there.

Lathum 07-13-2024 05:44 PM

Where was the good guy with a gun?

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3436655)
I was actually in Butler a few hours ago. I had no idea that jackass was doing a rally there.


Build the alibi now.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436650)
yeah. This is definitely going to help him.



At this point I don't know if it mattered, but yeah. This is basically a game over moment. By the time his people are done, this is going to be Teddy Roosevelt continuing a speech after he was shot by coked up Hunter Biden.

thesloppy 07-13-2024 05:45 PM

Man, this election is something.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 05:47 PM

Just seeing the shot, I would guess it was a paintball. He gets hit, reaches up to his ear, then voluntarily goes down.

Lathum 07-13-2024 05:47 PM

The internet is going to be insufferable for the next several days

HerRealName 07-13-2024 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3436660)
Just seeing the shot, I would guess it was a paintball. He gets hit, reaches up to his ear, then voluntarily goes down.


Or maybe Airsoft?

RainMaker 07-13-2024 05:51 PM

He's going to win in a landslide.

stevew 07-13-2024 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3436657)
Build the alibi now.



I’m about as gun virgin as you can get. Maybe fired a .22 at a summer camp 35 years ago or so?

RainMaker 07-13-2024 05:57 PM

That photo of him with his fist in the air and blood on his face juxtaposed with Biden telling us he doesn't have a bed time. Trump is getting 400 electoral votes.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3436662)
Or maybe Airsoft?



That's a possibility to. When you hear the shots it doesn't sound really like a gun. It does sound to me like a paint ball gun, though an airsoft probably sounds the same.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3436665)
That photo of him with his fist in the air and blood on his face juxtaposed with Biden telling us he doesn't have a bed time. Trump is getting 400 electoral votes.



You're not wrong. I don't think another candidate is going to change that either.

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 06:04 PM

The only way Biden can come close to saving this (assuming it doesn't come out as a false flag or something) is to get a statement out ASAP denouncing and flying AF One to whatever hospital Trump is at and denouncing it standing next to Trump.

dubb93 07-13-2024 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3436670)
The only way Biden can come close to saving this (assuming it doesn't come out as a false flag or something) is to get a statement out ASAP denouncing and flying AF One to whatever hospital Trump is at and denouncing it standing next to Trump.


Biden is asleep. This happened too late in the day.

RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3436670)
The only way Biden can come close to saving this (assuming it doesn't come out as a false flag or something) is to get a statement out ASAP denouncing and flying AF One to whatever hospital Trump is at and denouncing it standing next to Trump.


lol they just asked him about it and he said he hadn't heard about it. Just let Trump start filling his cabinet now.

RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3436670)
The only way Biden can come close to saving this (assuming it doesn't come out as a false flag or something) is to get a statement out ASAP denouncing and flying AF One to whatever hospital Trump is at and denouncing it standing next to Trump.


It wasn't even close before this happened. Dems will always be Dems.

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 06:09 PM

Whatever was fired didn't sound ... typical.

We wondered here in the batcave about some sort of improvised weapon (like was used to kill Abe in Japan) but I don't know what the max capacity of something like that could be. (Japan was a single shot IIRC)

Legit question, cause I sure as hell don't know: Do 3D printer weapons "sound" normal?

Brian Swartz 07-13-2024 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker
That photo of him with his fist in the air and blood on his face juxtaposed with Biden telling us he doesn't have a bed time. Trump is getting 400 electoral votes.


Gonna save this post. One of us is going to be very, very wrong.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436674)
Whatever was fired didn't sound ... typical.

We wondered here in the batcave about some sort of improvised weapon (like was used to kill Abe in Japan) but I don't know what the max capacity of something like that could be. (Japan was a single shot IIRC)

Legit question, cause I sure as hell don't know: Do 3D printer weapons "sound" normal?



The reports are the shooter is dead. I think the gun shots after the initial were Secret Service.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:16 PM


Atocep 07-13-2024 06:16 PM

meh, I prefer presidents that don't get shot.

I don't think this moved the needle either. No one is changing their vote 3 and half months from now over this.

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3436680)
The reports are the shooter is dead. I think the gun shots after the initial were Secret Service.


There's a thought that it's 3 from the shooter, 5(?) in return fire. There is a sort of ... pause in there.

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 06:17 PM

What's the worst case scenario for when we find out who the shooter is? Transgender immigrant who has used a stolen identity to work with children in Scranton and has an insta full of black lives matter, me too, and dark Brandon memes whose most recent picture is a photo with Biden?

Lathum 07-13-2024 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3436682)
meh, I prefer presidents that don't get shot.

I don't think this moved the needle either. No one is changing their vote 3 and half months from now over this.


I think this generates more turnout for Trump.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:17 PM

This is interesting:

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3436684)
What's the worst case scenario for when we find out who the shooter is? Transgender immigrant who has used a stolen identity to work with children in Scranton and has an insta full of black lives matter, me too, and dark Brandon memes whose most recent picture is a photo with Biden?



That's the extreme, but it is going to be shocking if it is not someone that holds some-kind of extreme views.

BYU 14 07-13-2024 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436674)
Whatever was fired didn't sound ... typical.

We wondered here in the batcave about some sort of improvised weapon (like was used to kill Abe in Japan) but I don't know what the max capacity of something like that could be. (Japan was a single shot IIRC)

Legit question, cause I sure as hell don't know: Do 3D printer weapons "sound" normal?


I would say it is a very strong possibility this is a ghost gun, as it is about the only way you could have gotten a weapon through the security protocol. They do sound similar to a regular gun though, depending on the caliber.

Lathum 07-13-2024 06:20 PM

Imagine trying to kill Trump and instead you end up dead and likely reelecting him.

Atocep 07-13-2024 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436685)
I think this generates more turnout for Trump.


I don't think so. He's the favorite but this will mostly make angry people more angry. Retaliatory violence of some sort is more likely than than any electoral fallout.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 06:20 PM

Sky News is saying 1 dead. Presumably the shooter?

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:21 PM

More from the local prosecutor. Always take this stuff with a grain of salt....

Lathum 07-13-2024 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3436690)
I don't think so. He's the favorite but this will mostly make angry people more angry. Retaliatory violence of some sort is more likely than than any electoral fallout.


30 seconds on Twitter will show you the civil war people are frothing at the mouth.

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 06:23 PM

Okay, I can come up with a "legitimate" (barely) firearm combo that could approximately make that sound -- suppressed subsonic rounds are not far from that -- though still bassier/deeper than what I hear -- throw in distance and sound quality, it's possible

Thing is though, that'd sure be a hella weird choice to make. Virtually no stopping power, at distance, and in a crowd where just slipping away unnoticed doesn't seem likely.

Lathum 07-13-2024 06:25 PM

Remember that time, like 2 days ago, when people speculated on what would happen if there was a national emergency and the president needed to step up?

Well we are here.

cartman 07-13-2024 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436694)
Okay, I can come up with a "legitimate" (barely) firearm combo that could approximately make that sound -- suppressed subsonic rounds are not far from that -- though still bassier/deeper than what I hear -- throw in distance and sound quality, it's possible

Thing is though, that'd sure be a hella weird choice to make. Virtually no stopping power, at distance, and in a crowd where just slipping away unnoticed doesn't seem likely.


It also could be that they had the mics dialed in to record voice, causing the supersonic sounds to be muffled, because if there was return fire, it had a similar sound, and those wouldn't be subsonic.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 06:26 PM

I'm still not understanding how the SS allowed him to stand up and strike the defiance pose for so long not knowing if the shooter was neutralized or if there were others. Just a bizarre scene. Surely that's not SOP in the manual.

RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:27 PM

I think it's just a small caliber weapon and mics pick it up weird.

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 06:27 PM

TV is saying a rally attendee is dead and the shooter is "down".

RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436697)
I'm still not understanding how the SS allowed him to stand up and strike the defiance pose for so long not knowing if the shooter was neutralized or if there were others. Just a bizarre scene. Surely that's not SOP in the manual.


You can hear someone on stage say "shooter down" before they lift him up.

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3436696)
It also could be that they had the mics dialed in to record voice, causing the supersonic sounds to be muffled, because if there was return fire, it had a similar sound, and those wouldn't be subsonic.


{hat tip} That does call into question whether we hear the (supposed) return fire.

Good catch on the flaw with my theory for sure.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3436700)
You can hear someone on stage say "shooter down" before they lift him up.


That's an awfully quick assessment of a chaotic situation with thousands of people around.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:31 PM

Just watched an older guy covered in blood give an interview that said he was an er doctor and worked on an individual in the stands that took a shot to the head.

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Lathum 07-13-2024 06:34 PM

It is really sad a rally goer was killed and that they will almost assuredly be politicized.

Biden needs to come out and condemn this and Trump needs to come out and say this was the work of a single, deranged person. Neither will happen and instead we are going to see an explosion in political violence.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 06:39 PM

Of course Biden is going to condemn the shooting.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:43 PM

I have already seen a large number of Democrats condemn this.

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Danny 07-13-2024 06:43 PM

Biden should have been briefed of this within two minutes.

Lathum 07-13-2024 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436705)
Of course Biden is going to condemn the shooting.


He should have already.

All this does is feed the narrative he is slow to respond to a national emergency and every additional second he doesn't address the nation proves that.

Ksyrup 07-13-2024 06:45 PM

We've gone from Bush finishing reading a children's book to Biden having to be awakened at 6:30pm to be briefed.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:48 PM

If this story is true....


https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1...CBcnZ3p2A&s=19

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GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:50 PM

And again, all of this could end up being false, but..
https://x.com/3orovik/status/1812269...CXJNA-sEA&s=19

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RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3436679)
Gonna save this post. One of us is going to be very, very wrong.


Better to work out excises for why he lost. Russians again? Jill Stein? Way more time to get creative.

RainMaker 07-13-2024 06:52 PM

Reports are the shooter was on a roof. Killed seconds later by a secret service sniper.

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 06:54 PM

So a sniper from distance. How was there no coverage of any roof that had sight-line? That was a major Secret Service failure.

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Lathum 07-13-2024 07:08 PM


CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3436697)
I'm still not understanding how the SS allowed him to stand up and strike the defiance pose for so long not knowing if the shooter was neutralized or if there were others. Just a bizarre scene. Surely that's not SOP in the manual.


whole thing was staged

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 07:13 PM

A whole lot of "ifs" with this obviously but ... IF the rooftop shooter turns out to be legit, can there be any way there's not a Congressional investigation of the Secret Service?

And IF everything is just like that BBC interview portrays, does Trump decline Secret Service protection at that point & use only his own people going forward?

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436704)
It is really sad a rally goer was killed and that they will almost assuredly be politicized.

Biden needs to come out and condemn this and Trump needs to come out and say this was the work of a single, deranged person. Neither will happen and instead we are going to see an explosion in political violence.


They made a martyr out of they dumb nut job on January 6th, this person was just in the wrong place.

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436716)


He's currently holding a press conference.

JPhillips 07-13-2024 07:17 PM

the Secret Service has had so many problems over the past decade or so. People getting into the residence, prostitution scandals, drug use, now this. It's well past time they get shaken to the core.

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 07:23 PM

Not sure how you're going to stop this in America other than telling people to stop holding open air rallys.

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3436722)
Not sure how you're going to stop this in America other than telling people to stop holding open air rallys.


But they don't want to stop it. They want more of it. These are the GOP's "fine good people"

Lathum 07-13-2024 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3436720)
He's currently holding a press conference.


Absolutely unacceptable how long it took.

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436724)
Absolutely unacceptable how long it took.


Not really IMO. He probably wanted to get as much reliable information as he could about the situation before commenting.

JPhillips 07-13-2024 07:31 PM

Nonsense. He was being briefed and communicating with Trump's team. There's no benefit to jumping out first and getting things wrong.

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 07:31 PM

And here I thought not buying Jack Nicklaus 4 at Goodwill for 50¢ was going to be the worst part of my day. Instead someone fails to kill Trump and kills an innocent bystander, then my daughter has a panic attack at the state swim meet and I'm not there.

Lathum 07-13-2024 07:37 PM

He could have easily come out minutes after it happened, condemned it, then said he would brief the nation once he had more information.

JPhillips 07-13-2024 07:38 PM

And what would that have accomplished? Not everything has to move at the speed of twitter.

JPhillips 07-13-2024 07:38 PM

The pictures of the rooftop and the body of the shooter are shocking. He wasn't exactly well-hidden.

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 07:39 PM

hypothesis:

Every trump rally from now on will have 75% of the crowd packing and some will open carry. This will cause everyone to draw weapons at the slightest flinch and the dumber of those opening fire every speech. All MAGAs are wiped off the planet in 28 days.

Lathum 07-13-2024 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3436729)
And what would that have accomplished? Not everything has to move at the speed of twitter.


I would have shown the president is available and ready to address the nation at a moments notice in a crisis.

Do you not realize the narrative is going to be he needed to be woken up?

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 07:42 PM

Now that we know it was a sniper, man that came close. It was a tough shot that nearly got there.

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cartman 07-13-2024 07:45 PM

some outlets (TMZ being one. I know...) are stating a secret service person as saying Trump's wounds were caused by pieces of a shattered teleprompter that was hit by a bullet

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 07:47 PM

Seen on twitter:
"It would be wild if this ends up being over Jody Foster."

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RainMaker 07-13-2024 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3436730)
The pictures of the rooftop and the body of the shooter are shocking. He wasn't exactly well-hidden.


Nor was he far away. WTF does the Secret Service even do?

Lathum 07-13-2024 07:52 PM

This is the most nervous and concerned I have been about our nation since 9/11

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3436736)
Nor was he far away. WTF does the Secret Service even do?


Deep state

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3436735)
Seen on twitter:
"It would be wild if this ends up being over Jody Foster."


Not nearly as good as the fact that "Ben Simmons" is trending now.

Which, of course, is silly. We all know Simmons wouldn't have taken the shot.

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3436737)
This is the most nervous and concerned I have been about our nation since 9/11


i don't know why. everything about it is business as usual

Ghost Econ 07-13-2024 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436739)
Not nearly as good as the fact that "Ben Simmons" is trending now.

Which, of course, is silly. We all know Simmons wouldn't have taken the shot.


Markelle Fultz is the better joke but about 4 years too late.

JonInMiddleGA 07-13-2024 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3436741)
Markelle Fultz is the better joke but about 4 years too late.


The first version of that I saw was Bronny, so there was a contemporary version.

edit to add: there's also a Klay Thompson version

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3436742)
The first version of that I saw was Bronny, so there was a contemporary version.

edit to add: there's also a Klay Thompson version


it was a brony?

NobodyHere 07-13-2024 08:32 PM

Are we sure the shooter isn't MJ4H?

GrantDawg 07-13-2024 08:33 PM

He refused to accept his banning.

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CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3436721)
the Secret Service has had so many problems over the past decade or so. People getting into the residence, prostitution scandals, drug use, now this. It's well past time they get shaken to the core.


just thinking....this is probably a good indication of how much they don't want to defend trump since he's hated by so many

CrimsonFox 07-13-2024 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3436744)
Are we sure the shooter isn't MJ4H?


maybe edward just to start another thread (j/k)

RainMaker 07-13-2024 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3436746)
just thinking....this is probably a good indication of how much they don't want to defend trump since he's hated by so many


They're cops. They love the guy but are just incompetent.

Except maybe this guy who got a shot off really fast.




GrantDawg 07-13-2024 08:41 PM

Seems Biden was at mass when the shooting happened, which was why it took some time for him to release a statement and speak.

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